FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #34

[Sunshine77]

BBM - Dark, Yes - although there are some specific people in mind -- with further review we are noticing there are several more people who could fit in the perp profile

I don't have "inside" info persay -- but I have a good idea of some things after talking to LE - but nothing specific was released to us in an official capacity.

Do you care to share some of those ideas? I know you have been looking at some things that can't be discussed here, but I am just interested in any general ideas or impressions you got after speaking with LE. TIA.

 

[ChickenPants]

I put them in a cage. Or chain them up. DCFS frowns on doing that to kids though.

Thank you for your usually very witty and enlightening response to a polite question that was not put to you, but to another poster who asked me a specific question, to which I gave her an honest and respectful answer.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

As I stated previously, we know that Somer's legs were intact and her upper body covered in refuse, nothing has been said about her being compacted, and most recently here it has been debated as to whether she was even placed in a dumpster....and just for the sake of your arugment, Dr. F., I am amazed at the indelicacy and cruelty of your posting this gruesome photo of some human being who would probably have not wanted his or her mangled body viewed on WS or elsewhere. I don't see the point of this photo at all except for shock value.

Re-read your statement and explain to me how DT touching her hand or her foot would have constitued her "putting her daughter's body through any more torture."

BBM


What in the world are you talking about.

 

[human]

I asked earlier if anyone had a timeline in mind. No one responded. I take that to mean no one has one. So it's pretty nebulous in your mind when she was nabbed as some of you say, and killed when? Right then? Or do you imagine she was kept overnight? When do you think this person found the right moment in your theory of the crime to dispose of Somer's body? For most people on here it begins and ends with someone grabbing her. Details people, details. If you can not work it out, how do you expect to solve anything?

Those are some good questions.

I am sorry that I cannot document this and maybe somebody here knows where it is, or maybe it's not right at all.

But I read on here somewhere that she was killed an hour after taken. But is this right? I know that experts say that they are killed very quickly.

The disposal is a problem, isn't it. People were searching fairly quickly in all of this and they had the dogs out. Of course, I don't know what kind of dogs.

It seems like the search area was not that large in terms of the dogs.

What mystifies me is that the dogs did not appear to track her to behind the Gano house. Why not?

Her scent disappeared shortly after that place.

The garbage truck is still a mystery to me. I know in a video or article somewhere, they said that she was found in the garbage in a garbage truck. I HAD assumed it was that they found her while digging in the landfill, but I no longer think that is the case.

Did she go through the compaction at the transfer station? I'm not so sure about that.

What are your thoughts on it?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Those are some good questions.

I am sorry that I cannot document this and maybe somebody here knows where it is, or maybe it's not right at all.

But I read on here somewhere that she was killed an hour after taken. But is this right? I know that experts say that they are killed very quickly.

The disposal is a problem, isn't it. People were searching fairly quickly in all of this and they had the dogs out. Of course, I don't know what kind of dogs.

It seems like the search area was not that large in terms of the dogs.

What mystifies me is that the dogs did not appear to track her to behind the Gano house. Why not?

Her scent disappeared shortly after that place.

The garbage truck is still a mystery to me. I know in a video or article somewhere, they said that she was found in the garbage in a garbage truck. I HAD assumed it was that they found her while digging in the landfill, but I no longer think that is the case.

Did she go through the compaction at the transfer station? I'm not so sure about that.

What are your thoughts on it?

She went through the compaction on the garbage truck and then went through the compaction at the transfer station and was loaded up on a semi that went to the landfill and dumped in front of the detectives that dug through it.

 

[houndstooth]

BBM


What in the world are you talking about.

Weird. If you glance at the still photo of your post it DOES almost look like a person with their mouth gaping open! It's just a fluke, of course.


But, what do you make of the statements made by LE of following the trucks from the neighborhood to the landfill in GA. Of course, these are contradicted by other statements saying the trucks went to Rosemary Hill.
The point being that some of their statements didn't infer the trip to the transfer station, at all. Then again others implied they searched each dumpster at the pick up point.

My point. There is no point in worrying about the compactor at Rosemary Hill.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Weird. If you glance at the still photo of your post it DOES almost look like a person with their mouth gaping open! It's just a fluke, of course.


But, what do you make of the statements made by LE of following the trucks from the neighborhood to the landfill in GA. Of course, these are contradicted by other statements saying the trucks went to Rosemary Hill.
The point being that some of their statements didn't infer the trip to the transfer station, at all. Then again others implied they searched each dumpster at the pick up point.

My point. There is no point in worrying about the compactor at Rosemary Hill.

Semis go to the dump in GA from the transfer station. The police spokeslady said it was semis that went up there and they dug through the garbage they dumped. She said the exact number of semis. She said the semi loads came from the transfer station. That is the most logical way and the cheapest way to get that garbage there.

 

[Noway]

I had recently posted that it is possible for employees at some friendly places (and I understand the dentist was very kind) would allow a parent to bring a child for a short while before or after school; we do that where I work as long as the child is well-behaved. I suggested that it wouldn't be unusual for Somer to wait there and have a snack, or color or otherwise occupy herself playing till DT could escort her home.

This would not solve the problem of the other 2 children walking unsupervised, but the walking was not so much of an issue, IMM, as Somer's specific behavior of running off. Perhaps the Somer at work came from that post?

No, Houndstooth reminded me where I'd read it. It was a blog comment so technically it is RUMOR.

But from an investigative standpoint, I would certainly look into anyone who may have had contact with Somer at Diena's office especially such a short time before she was killed.

 

[Dee10]

Am I wrong in remembering commercial dumpsters when straight to the GA landfill & that only residential went to Rosemary Hill?

 

[houndstooth]

Those are some good questions.

I am sorry that I cannot document this and maybe somebody here knows where it is, or maybe it's not right at all.

But I read on here somewhere that she was killed an hour after taken. But is this right? I know that experts say that they are killed very quickly.

The disposal is a problem, isn't it. People were searching fairly quickly in all of this and they had the dogs out. Of course, I don't know what kind of dogs.

It seems like the search area was not that large in terms of the dogs.

What mystifies me is that the dogs did not appear to track her to behind the Gano house. Why not?

Her scent disappeared shortly after that place.

The garbage truck is still a mystery to me. I know in a video or article somewhere, they said that she was found in the garbage in a garbage truck. I HAD assumed it was that they found her while digging in the landfill, but I no longer think that is the case.

Did she go through the compaction at the transfer station? I'm not so sure about that.

What are your thoughts on it?

Yes. I agree with that assessment that she was killed within the hour.

Who says the dogs lost their scent? LE. Maybe they had a good reason for minimizing the importance of the dogs and their role. If they found her as I have stated my theory is, then it saves them a lot of questions and explanations they may not want to give about what and where the dogs led them. To just say, "OH, they lost the scent" Stops those pesky questions in their "tracks".

 

[Noway]

I asked earlier if anyone had a timeline in mind. No one responded. I take that to mean no one has one. So it's pretty nebulous in your mind when she was nabbed as some of you say, and killed when? Right then? Or do you imagine she was kept overnight? When do you think this person found the right moment in your theory of the crime to dispose of Somer's body? For most people on here it begins and ends with someone grabbing her. Details people, details. If you can not work it out, how do you expect to solve anything?

I saw your comment and was unable to answer at the time. Plus, I have nothing to back this up, so it's not worth much ...

JMO but I think Somer was disposed of in a dumpster before Diena flagged down LE.

ETA:
To clarify for those who didn't know when that was ... before 5 p.m. I would say she went with her killer at about 3 and was with him (I do think him) until then.

 

[Sunshine77]

I asked earlier if anyone had a timeline in mind. No one responded. I take that to mean no one has one. So it's pretty nebulous in your mind when she was nabbed as some of you say, and killed when? Right then? Or do you imagine she was kept overnight? When do you think this person found the right moment in your theory of the crime to dispose of Somer's body? For most people on here it begins and ends with someone grabbing her. Details people, details. If you can not work it out, how do you expect to solve anything?

I think she was taken fairly quickly afterschool. Either on her walk home, at just the right moment that nobody would see (maybe she took some kind of shortcut or side street), or she lingered somewhere (Gano house, park?) and was taken from there once most of the other people had cleared out of the area. IMO, by 4pm the area would have been pretty busy again. You would have the junior high kids starting to come home, possibly elementary school kids finishing homework and coming out to play, more activity around the park, and more traffic passing thru (gano and debarry can get busy around this time with people using them as shortcuts to avoid rush hour traffic on major streets). One question I would like answered is where AT went to look when sent back out by SP.

As for time she was killed, with most theories in my mind, she was probably alive for at least a little while (I'm thinking held in the Gano house, another home, or taken out of area by car).

When she was put in the dumpster---either later that evening or the very early hours of Tuesday morning before trash pick-up.

 

[houndstooth]

Semis go to the dump in GA from the transfer station. The police spokeslady said it was semis that went up there and they dug through the garbage they dumped. She said the exact number of semis. She said the semi loads came from the transfer station. That is the most logical way and the cheapest way to get that garbage there.

Riiiiiiighttt. I do remember that as being one of the several explanations given.
But, it certainly does negate the whole tactic credited to three different guys of doing things differently to keep that very thing from happening???

 

[zannah]

I can't buy into the theory that she was found in the Orange Park area and LE did some kind of tapdance to make it appear she was found in GA. To me, the simplest explanation usually makes the most sense. I also can't see FL wllingly giving jurisdiction to another state for the autopsy--seems like it would complicate matters immensely, especially at trial. Here's a version of the report of her discovery I hadn't seen before from a NC tv station:

Clay County (Fla.) Sheriff Rick Beseler said the tentative identification of Somer was based on clothing and on a birthmark that matched the girl's. An autopsy was being performed Thursday by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation in Savannah after the body was found near the Florida state line.

"They told me they had a little girl in a trash dump that had a big brown mark on her leg," Thompson said. "That's Somer's birthmark."

Detectives spotted the legs first and found the body partially covered by garbage Wednesday in a Georgia landfill, after investigators followed garbage trucks leaving the neighborhood where the child disappeared Monday.

http://www.myfox8.com/wghp-girls-father-reacts-to-death-091022,0,6142046.story

 

[crocus]

I saw your comment and was unable to answer at the time. Plus, I have nothing to back this up, so it's not worth much ...

JMO but I think Somer was disposed of in a dumpster before Diena flagged down LE.

ETA:
To clarify for those who didn't know when that was ... before 5 p.m. I would say she went with her killer at about 3 and was with him (I do think him) until then.

Wow. Really?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Riiiiiiighttt. I do remember that as being one of the several explanations given.
But, it certainly does negate the whole tactic credited to three different guys of doing things differently to keep that very thing from happening???

They were just going on a hunch, that bodies are often thrown in the trash and not found in the dump because they are buried.

They stopped that from happening.

 

[houndstooth]

I saw your comment and was unable to answer at the time. Plus, I have nothing to back this up, so it's not worth much ...

JMO but I think Somer was disposed of in a dumpster before Diena flagged down LE.

ETA:
To clarify for those who didn't know when that was ... before 5 p.m. I would say she went with her killer at about 3 and was with him (I do think him) until then.

That places her WHERE considering LE states that though school lets at 2:32 Somer did not leave that day until 2:45-2:50? This gives her 10 to 15 after leaving school.

I agree Somer was killed before 5pm.

 

[ChickenPants]

What does this have to do with Somer?

Your convo is generic. His statement " but, in my school, the majority of parents are like her".

Her and about a million other parents. Other parents who have not lost a child to a murder.

You said it, not I. As usual, it looks better when quoted out of context and the rest of the information (which was posted to convey the procedure schools use for investigating suspicions - in answer to several persons' direct questions about procedures) is ignored.

The protocol is correct.
The statement about the parents is correct.
The fact that parents are told and do not care is correct.
Your opinion is superfulous.

And hopefully, but doubtfully, the "about a million other parents" will not have to grieve the loss of an innocent child because they did not care enough to protect her.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I can't buy into the theory that she was found in the Orange Park area and LE did some kind of tapdance to make it appear she was found in GA. To me, the simplest explanation usually makes the most sense. I also can't see FL wllingly giving jurisdiction to another state for the autopsy--seems like it would complicate matters immensely, especially at trial. Here's a version of the report of her discovery I hadn't seen before from a NC tv station:

Clay County (Fla.) Sheriff Rick Beseler said the tentative identification of Somer was based on clothing and on a birthmark that matched the girl's. An autopsy was being performed Thursday by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation in Savannah after the body was found near the Florida state line.

"They told me they had a little girl in a trash dump that had a big brown mark on her leg," Thompson said. "That's Somer's birthmark."

Detectives spotted the legs first and found the body partially covered by garbage Wednesday in a Georgia landfill, after investigators followed garbage trucks leaving the neighborhood where the child disappeared Monday.

http://www.myfox8.com/wghp-girls-father-reacts-to-death-091022,0,6142046.story

I agree, if they made up a lie like that it would destroy their case down the road. A judge would laugh them out of court.

 

[Sunshine77]

Riiiiiiighttt. I do remember that as being one of the several explanations given.
But, it certainly does negate the whole tactic credited to three different guys of doing things differently to keep that very thing from happening???

My understanding of the trash is that searching the trash is standard procedure in these types of cases, but in this case it was done a whole lot earlier than others and that is what was different.

Consider this a hallucination, but I remember seeing the interview with Det. Owens about this. IIRC, he stated in it he was driving to work that morning, saw the garbage being picked up, and thought it would be a good idea to search it then.

LE started following the trucks, some of the garbage stayed at the Rosemary landfill and they searched there, and other garbage went on to the GA landfill where they searched and she was discovered.