FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #38

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  • #101
With ALL the information about Jarrad, LE would have been negligent to not name him a POI.

I am concerned about the digital camera they found at mom and step-dads place. Who did the camera belong to? Why would mom and dad bring a camera with 🤬🤬🤬🤬 pics of their grandbaby to their new place? How would you have a camera and fail to know what's on it? Why wouldn't you turn that into the police? MOO

Maybe it was packed in a box.
 
  • #102
BBM

Because they were protecting their "doughboy".

How about protecting the most vulnerable of all - the grandbaby!!! What's wrong with these people? MOO

Maybe they consider child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 a normal interest - maybe they forgot it's a felony! What was that camera filled with 🤬🤬🤬🤬 pics doing at their new place of residence? I need and want to know the specifics on that. MOO
 
  • #103
I am not a blind follower of anything but I think they got the guy who killed Somer and I think charges will be coming in the future.

I am not saying he is not the one who killed Somer. It is entirely possible. Fess, when I reference "BLIND" I am speaking of those that have already convicted him of her murder. There have not even been charges filed, YET. Which will remain to be seen. Have you ever heard of the horse that chased a carrot --- well it is not beneath LE to dangle a carrot to the public - it has been done MANY times. Look at several cases in Illinois, for example -- I posted several of them the other day.

On the other hand, I would like to say, I am of sound mind to know JH could have very well killed her and I see it as reasonable and rational that EVEN if CCSO DO have all their evidence secured and to match him as that of the person who murdered Somer, that no charges have been filed yet. Just look at the Sarah Foxwell case and how long it took to file the formal charges when they knew they had the right man from the very first moment, evidence attached as a slam dunk. However, my research also shows several other possibilities which are that of my own theories. So, I will wait until they make formal charges against JH for the murder of Somer Thompson. They would be looking at public suicide to charge him without enough evidence to prosecute and be successful. Suicide would be an understatement. POI = CARROT. Only time will tell.

I do suggest looking at another new case in this thread. It mirrors this case when it comes to a child being disposed in a dumpster - I thought some of the information was useful re: the dogs and such. If only I had a better memory for names to type if out here -- but it is Michigan.
 
  • #104
ITA - and the fact they have proof he touched and filmed a 3 year old at the Gano house that Somer had to walk by between where she was last seen and the cross guard who did not see her kinda wraps it up for me.

ETA: Not to mention he had the house to himself. Kinda would explain why nobody ever heard her scream IMO.

I don't disagree with you. It is totally creepy and plausible.

I only wish everyone would keep in mind the shortcuts that she was sometimes known to take - bypassing the crossing guards. We can't bet it all on the crossing guards as there are still several alternatives. I too, did not realize the scope of this until I did considerable research on the subject. Remember, she was walking with MC, who she later spatted with, and ran ahead. There are several shortcuts - one from Grove Parkway and up, == One through the park and over grove parkway and out to briarwood. And one through the fence on arbor by MC home.
 
  • #105
I don't disagree with you. It is totally creepy and plausible.

I only wish everyone would keep in mind the shortcuts that she was sometimes known to take - bypassing the crossing guards. We can't bet it all on the crossing guards as there are still several alternatives. I too, did not realize the scope of this until I did considerable research on the subject. Remember, she was walking with MC, who she later spatted with, and ran ahead. There are several shortcuts - one from Grove Parkway and up, == One through the park and over grove parkway and out to briarwood. And one through the fence on arbor by MC home.

But, "Kyle" also said he saw and talked to Somer at the burned out house on Gano. That house is only a few down from JH's house on Gano.

ETA: and in the direction she would have been walking home if leaving the burned out house on Gano.
 
  • #106
But, "Kyle" also said he saw and talked to Somer at the burned out house on Gano. That house is only a few down from JH's house on Gano.

ETA: and in the direction she would have been walking home if leaving the burned out house on Gano.

Kim, I get that!!

She still could have taken the shortcuts!

Let me know if you need me to make a map for you showing them all!

PS- map might be tomorrow though-- watching the housewives with the DH!
 
  • #107
I personally think (my theory) is she said hi to Kyle and kept walking. Walked a few houses down, stopped to see the dog, the dog wasn't there but JH was. He most likely used that to his advantage and told her the dog was in the back yard or in the house or shed.

Once he had her, he had an empty house. What's a 7 year old to do? I'm sure he made sure no one could hear her scream.

That's just what I think happened.

JMO
 
  • #108
I personally think (my theory) is she said hi to Kyle and kept walking. Walked a few houses down, stopped to see the dog, the dog wasn't there but JH was. He most likely used that to his advantage and told her the dog was in the back yard or in the house or shed.

Once he had her, he had an empty house. What's a 7 year old to do? I'm sure he made sure no one could hear her scream.

That's just what I think happened.

JMO

Looks like LE are thinking the same way as you. If Somer was killed while JH was committing a felony such as molesting or taking pictures of Somer, it would be considered murder - right?
 
  • #109
So.....RB nor his wife looked at the computer before taking it to JSO? They just went over and took the computer to JSO. What did RB say to LE at JSO..."My stepdaughter and her fiance' say there is child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 on this computer but I haven't seen it myself"? "Could you take a look at it? It belongs to Jarred Harrell."

Sorry, I'm just imagining what the conversation might have been like if all is true that RB has said. I'm fairly sure in my mind that RB did all the talking at the JSO when they turned in the computer.

Did the engaged couple not have a car to take the computer themselves or did RB have to come over and drive them there? They are old enough to be shacking up together, but are not old enough to know what is the right thing to do without having RB guide them? What's wrong with picking up the phone and calling the local police and letting them come out and take the computer to the proper authorities. It would have saved JSO from having to then turn it over to CCSO because it was out of their jurisdiction. Then maybe they could have arrested Jarred Harrell sooner.

I want to make this perfectly clear: I am not defending Jarred Harrell. I think if it can be proven in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt that the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 was his by a jury who has seen the evidence, he should be put away for a long long time or maybe forever because he is never going to change. What I DON'T want to see is Jarred Harrell being convicted of Somer's murder just because he is charged with child molestation and possession of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 which LE has said is NOT connected to Somer's murder.
 
  • #110
So.....RB nor his wife looked at the computer before taking it to JSO? They just went over and took the computer to JSO. What did RB say to LE at JSO..."My stepdaughter and her fiance' say there is child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 on this computer but I haven't seen it myself"? "Could you take a look at it? It belongs to Jarred Harrell."

Sorry, I'm just imagining what the conversation might have been like if all is true that RB has said. I'm fairly sure in my mind that RB did all the talking at the JSO when they turned in the computer.

Did the engaged couple not have a car to take the computer themselves or did RB have to come over and drive them there? They are old enough to be shacking up together, but are not old enough to know what is the right thing to do without having RB guide them? What's wrong with picking up the phone and calling the local police and letting them come out and take the computer to the proper authorities. It would have saved JSO from having to then turn it over to CCSO because it was out of their jurisdiction. Then maybe they could have arrested Jarred Harrell sooner.

I want to make this perfectly clear: I am not defending Jarred Harrell. I think if it can be proven in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt that the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 was his by a jury who has seen the evidence, he should be put away for a long long time or maybe forever because he is never going to change. What I DON'T want to see is Jarred Harrell being convicted of Somer's murder just because he is charged with child molestation and possession of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 which LE has said is NOT connected to Somer's murder.

BBM

JH has NOT been charged with the murder of Somer - he isn't even a suspect - he is a POI and should be. moo

Regarding the sentences I bolded - why would it be any different if the police were called to their place of residence? The daughter and fiancee would still have had time to be alone with the computer and the same work IN MATCHING downloads of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 to JH bank transactions would need to be done. JH"s parents are the Godparents of the child and it's not easy to turn in a family friend. A couple pages back, Noway translated an important interview for us - and the 'why' and 'how' of bringing in the computer is explained. MOO
 
  • #111
This may not be 100% accurate. Actually, I'm sure it is not. You should listen to the video while you read. Link to video is http://www.news4jax.com/video/22548251/.


REPORTER:
Well, start from the beginning. This goes back to August. What happened in August?

R. BUCHANAN: Um, back in August, or actually a little before August, Harrell was asked to move out of his parentsÂ’ home on Gano. Um, they used the excuse that they wanted him to get out on his own, become a man, and take care of hisself.

(Coughs) Excuse me. He didnÂ’t have anywhere to go, and, uh, so they had called our daughter and asked if he could move in with them, be a roommate, and they said sure. While he was there, some things came up missing.

Um, they went out one night while he was asleep, searched his car, found their iPod that he had stolen, woke him up in the middle of the night and told him he had to get out or they were gonna call the police. And, uh, he left his computer and a bunch of disks there and asked if they, you know, would keep hold of it until he could find a place to go.

During that time, about a week passed, since they hadn’t heard from him, uh, conversation came up about the possibility that child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 being found on his computer by our, at the time, minor son a year prior to this.

So they went out and turned the computer on and saw things that nobody should have to see. At that point they became very emotionally upset, called her mother at work, told her about it.

And we took it to JSO (Jacksonville Sheriffs Office) thinking that was where we needed to take it. Once we handed everything over to JSO, they then sent it back to Clay County to be processed, and Detective Eckert took over from there.

And then when the little Somer girl came up missing, uh, didnÂ’t really think too much about it, um, because we didnÂ’t know that he had moved back to his parentsÂ’ house on Gano. And, uh, somebody called, and I donÂ’t remember who had told us that he had moved back there with his parents, and then somebody called and said that his parents had actually moved out of the house about two weeks before Somer came up missing.

And on our way up to Orange Park, my wife said “Let me take you by and show you where the house is.” And when we rode by, his vehicle’s in the driveway and it was right across from the athletic field. Right where she had to walk every day.

Um, we went down and we found – the whole detective squad was still working the area since this was like two days after they found her – and we found a deputy on the side of the road and we told him our concerns and showed him the house. He took us around to, um, the lead detective. We filled him in on everything, told him. He sent the deputy back around, he ran the tag on the vehicle, found out it was his, and that he had been living there. Um, and I guess his parents moved to somewhere in Calahan prior to that happening. Um, and yeah, they did have a white dog, a little white dog. So …

REPORTER: Are you surprised – because you brought this to the attention of authorities back in August – and were you surprised that by October, when Somer was reported missing and ultimately her body was found, were you surprised that he hadn’t been arrested on these child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 charges?

R. BUCHANAN: A little bit. Um, but at the same time, you know, I know there’s a process. And I see so many of these sick perverts, they get off with a slap on the wrist or probation because some slick lawyer finds a technicality to get ‘em off on. So, you know, hats off to Clay County Sheriffs Office for doing their job and doing it the right way and taking their time to make sure they got ‘em.

And I am so sorry about little Somer and her family and what they are going through. I canÂ’t even begin to imagine that, but at the same time, thereÂ’s no guarantee that had they rushed in and arrested him that it would have prevented this from happening.

REPORTER: You know him. Would you have ever have thought that anything like this could happen?

R. BUCHANAN: Never. I mean, never. The booking photo on his arrest report does not reflect the same person I remember seeing in my house. Um, in that photo, he looks sinister. I mean, but in person, if you knew him, he looked like a gentle giant. I mean he really did, he was very quiet, very laid back, he was into his computer games. He never spoke to children, um, never made lewd remarks, he never even cussed in front of ya. So, no, I never would have even thought that.

REPORTER: So when he was at your house – he was just – ?

R. BUCHANAN: Um, he was to me, a normal young person, a normal teenager.

REPORTER: So how is your daughter reacting to all this upon finding that material? I know it must be hard?

R. BUCHANAN: Um, visions in her and her fiancés heads that nobody should have to live with. Emotionally she is distressed over it. Um, we’re, uh, we’re talking to her about possible counseling to deal with this. Um, we didn’t want to see the images. We didn’t want to plug it in and see it. We just wanted to take it to the Sheriffs Department. Because I didn’t want the images in me and my wife’s, and we’re just very sorry that they had to see what they saw. And hopefully, nobody else will have to see that. So …

REPORTER: How long was he living there, in that apartment with your [step]daughter and his – the fiancé?

R. BUCHANAN: Um, I wanna say probably about two months.

REPORTER: Two months. And then it was upon the theft that they asked him to leave and found the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.

R. BUCHANAN: They found the 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 about a week after they threw him out because he left the computer there.

REPORTER: Okay. And did he leave anything else behind when he left?

R. BUCHANAN: Uh, I don’t think so. Well, I mean, he left a bunch of disks and the computer. I think what happened is, he just had a small car, so once he got everything in the car, he just didn’t have any room, and he didn’t want – you know computers are fragile and you don’t want them bouncing around while you’re driving and stuff, and so, you know, there was no reason at the time for anyone to suspect anything like that, and I’m sure he didn’t think anybody would suspect something, and he probably just figured it was safe to leave it there.

REPORTER: And how did your daughter find out know to turn the computer on to look for that?

R. BUCHANAN: Uh, about a year prior to that, our then underage son, had [been] at General’s house where Harrell was living at the time, on Gano, and he had gotten on Harrell’s computer to play a game – Call of Duty or something – whatever kids are playing now – and there was an icon on the desktop, and it said something about “child penetration” or something, and when he questioned him about it, he (Harrell) shut the computer off and said, “Don’t you ever get on my computer again.” Well, our son told his dad about it and then he was told to tell Harrell’s parents about it and of course he did, but you know, he was a minor and told them, and he figured they’d handle it but it was never brought up again.

REPORTER: And how old was your son when all this happened?

R. BUCHANAN: Uh, I think he was about 16.

REPORTER: Sixteen. So this was a year ago.

R. BUCHANAN: Yeah. I’m sorry, this was – he just had turned 17.

REPORTER: 17.

CAMERA MAN: Have detective given any indication in the last couple of weeks Â… maybe they think they are getting close and and this guy may be related to SomerÂ’s case?

R. BUCHANAN: Uh, no. I wonÂ’t say anything as far as the detectives go, they have been around, they have been talking to family members and so forth, but no, they didnÂ’t say they were fixing to arrest him yet.

REPORTER: Is there anything else thatÂ’s been reported that you want to correct?

R. BUCHANAN: Uh, yes – the conspiracy theories freaks out here who think that we waited for the reward pool to be a certain level before we came forward is so wrong. Um, we did this back in August before Somer came up missing; there was no rewards then. Within a couple of days of Somer being found, we went to the police and the detectives at that time. And whatever reward there was available at the time was such a small amount, I mean, that was the last thing on our mind. Okay? The fact that the reward has grown over these months had nothing to do with us. And so that was -- that’s just so far from the truth. And as far as JSO and Clay County not working together, that’s all – I mean that’s very unfactual as well. We accidently gave the computer to the wrong law enforcement agency, they in turn had to ship it back to Clay County so that they could do their job, which they’ve done very well by the way. And, you know, these people just need to get over theirselves. They really do.

REPORTER: Yeah. Yeah. The truth of the matter is that as soon as you guys found that information back in August –

R. BUCHANAN: It was turned in the same day.

REPORTER: Yeah. So you obviously have done your part and did it very quickly.

R. BUCHANAN: Yeah They found it at like 12 or 1 o’clock in the morning. We were at JSO as soon as my wife got off from work at 7 a.m. – we were at JSO by I think, 8:15 or 8:30 that morning with the computer. So it was turned in right away.

REPORTER: How do you know that – the family? How does your daughter have that relationship?

R. BUCHANAN: Um, Harrell’s stepfather and mother are her godparents, okay? And, uh, they’ve known the family for years and years. So … and, uh, they also have a couple other teenage kids in the house. Uh, my understanding is that DCF and law enforcement is – are going to be questioning quite a few kids that Harrell had contact with over the years. So they’re going to be looking at, uh, you know, to see if there was a pattern building or if he has abused anyone else in the past.

REPORTER: I mean I hate to ask this but has you son in any way, shape or form – was he ever – has he ever said anything about that?

R. BUCHANAN: No maÂ’am. No, maÂ’am.

REPORTER: Good. Is there anything else about the whole situation you’d like to say? He is still a person of interest; he’s not a suspect yet –

R. BUCHANAN: I don’t see much difference in the terms myself, but I understand their careful wording. Um, I would like to say that at this point that I am so extremely proud – the whole family is – of our daughter and her fiancé for what they’ve done. You know, we told them from the beginning, right before we walked into the police department: “Doing the right thing isn’t always the easiest thing in the world to do, but it’s still the right thing.” And we could not be any prouder of these guys than what we are. They undergone intensive questioning. Lie detector tests. Invasion of their privacy. Their computers being searched. I mean it has been a nightmare for them.

Our daughter is emotionally upset right now because of this, and so is her fiancé. But hats off to these guys. Um, we love and respect them and we appreciate what they stepped forward and done rather than just brushing this under the rug and not wanting to be part of it. So, yeah, we’re extremely proud of them.

REPORTER: Interesting that it seems that she is being investigated just as much as he is.

R. BUCHANAN: Well, I mean you have to. The computer was left in their home. I mean, in order for law enforcement to be prudent, they need to make sure that the people that bring in the stuff are innocent, you know, and not planting the stuff on the computer to set the guy up for whatever reason. So, yeah, theyÂ’re doing their job. TheyÂ’re clearing everybody else. And thatÂ’s what led to his arrest. I mean, they cleared everybody else. So Â…

REPORTER: Do you know any reason why he went to Mississippi?

R. BUCHANAN: He ran.

REPORTER: You think so?

R. BUCHANAN: I think so.

REPORTER: Does he have family there?

R. BUCHANAN: He has family there. Aunts and uncles. And, uh, I do believe – I don’t think he’s had contact with him for years and years – but I believe that’s where his real father lives as well. Which, if I’m not mistaken, his real father’s the one who’s the actual convicted sexual offender.

REPORTER: His father was.

R. BUCHANAN: Yeah. Not his stepdad. But his real father.

REPORTER: His real father. Do you know if heÂ’s behind bars?

R. BUCHANAN: I have no idea to be honest with you.

REPORTER: Yeah. This is obviously not easy, is there anything youÂ’d like to say maybe to the Thompson family watching. YouÂ’ve done everything your family can do.

R. BUCHANAN: Yes, and I hope that in my heart that this guy didnÂ’t do the thing to Somer Thompson, um, just for the fact that he is a family friend but at the same time, if he is the one, Mrs. Thompson, if he is the one, I hope this helps. I hope this brings some kind of closure. ItÂ’s going to be hard for everybody. I canÂ’t imagine what sheÂ’s feeling. And I hope I donÂ’t have to go through that. I would never want to bury one of my children.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/22548251/

For those who haven't read this - Noway was kind and patient enough to translate the interview for us here at WS. Good and informative reading. MOO
 
  • #112
BBM

JH has NOT been charged with the murder of Somer - he isn't even a suspect - he is a POI and should be. moo

Regarding the sentences I bolded - why would it be any different if the police were called to their place of residence? The daughter and fiancee would still have had time to be alone with the computer and the same work IN MATCHING downloads of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 to JH bank transactions would need to be done. JH"s parents are the Godparents of the child and it's not easy to turn in a family friend. A couple pages back, Noway translated an important interview for us - and the 'why' and 'how' of bringing in the computer is explained. MOO

And there are allegedly photos of JH molesting a 3-year-old girl on a camera found during a police search. If that's true, at least those images are his.
 
  • #113
I am just so disgusted (aren't we all huh)
Imagine being that mother of the little girl. I'd want JH dead, I know that.
 
  • #114
I do suggest looking at another new case in this thread. It mirrors this case when it comes to a child being disposed in a dumpster - I thought some of the information was useful re: the dogs and such. If only I had a better memory for names to type if out here -- but it is Michigan.

Jozlynn Martinez
 
  • #115
And there are allegedly photos of JH molesting a 3-year-old girl on a camera found during a police search. If that's true, at least those images are his.

And, the victim's mother was able to identify the room the photos and video were taken...JH's bedroom in the Gano house.

The warrant also says you see JH on the video or pictures...hard to say he didn't do it IMO

And, the SD card was at his mom's house in Callahan.
 
  • #116
BBM

JH has NOT been charged with the murder of Somer - he isn't even a suspect - he is a POI and should be. moo

Regarding the sentences I bolded - why would it be any different if the police were called to their place of residence? The daughter and fiancee would still have had time to be alone with the computer and the same work IN MATCHING downloads of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 to JH bank transactions would need to be done. JH"s parents are the Godparents of the child and it's not easy to turn in a family friend. A couple pages back, Noway translated an important interview for us - and the 'why' and 'how' of bringing in the computer is explained. MOO

I never said JH has been charged with murder nor that he is a suspect.

Maybe I didn't make it clear what I was trying to say. RB's stepdaughter and her fiance' are supposed to be adults-why would they need RB to go with them to turn over the computer? If they had called the police, the police would have known the proper jurisdiction to turn the computer over to would be the CCSO, and CCSO could have started the investigation earlier and maybe could have had the evidence earlier, thus arresting JH earlier for possession of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬. I don't know how to say it any clearer. Less time for a child molester to be on the loose.
 
  • #117
Hi all, had to take a break from all of these awful crimes. Catching up on Somer's case now.

Just wanted to chime in about JH leaving his laptop - there's no "privacy rights" concerns with his friends snooping and turning it into LE. 4th Amendment only protects searches BY LE, doesn't protect you from a civilian turning you in. LE couldn't have gone into the house to take the computer without a warrant, but once the files were brought to their attention by someone else, whatever is turned over is fair game. Whew.
 
  • #118
Good point, there.

I had also wondered if looking into his computer without permission, or having it seized and searched without his knowledge would violate his privacy rights.

Like you said, he left it when he moved out. I wonder if his telling the friends he would pick it up later on at a certain date would make a difference.

And, after getting the complaint by the roommates the police just could not cross their hands and ignore it, even if the friends violated JH's privacy rights.

One thing, though... I don't know the circumstances of how the friends found the 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and the reasons why they took it to police, but it had to be VERY difficult because of the judicial process.

They knew their property would be searched, their names would be run through LE records, their lives would be turned upside down while the case goes on, etc...

I don't think they would get the reward money because to get the money the tip had to be run through their hotline, or that is how most times it is done. But, I don't know.

So, these people have done a great service to the community and their courage should be thanked by all. I mean, hadn't been for their part, this JH guy would be a free range chicken in Meridian, having gotten away with horrible crimes.

I don't think you would have any expectations of privacy if you were sharing an apartment and it was left in a common area.
 
  • #119
A dedicated thread would be good.
 
  • #120
Excellent point paris paris
 
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