FL FL - Sumter Co, 'Little Miss Panasoffkee', WhtFem 17-24, 470UFFL, Feb'71

[snowgoose]

I'd love to know more about how isotope testing works and why it has been so wrong in a few famous cases. I thought it sounded really exciting when I heard about how it was used with the Bear Brook victims, and iirc the results were pretty accurate in that case. I'm really curious how the conclusions were so wrong about Beth Doe.

Just speculation, but I wonder if living or working in an urban or industrial area makes results unreliable because the person may be exposed to pollutants at unpredictable levels. There must be some variables that scientists don't understand yet.

Either way, it doesn't seem to add up that Little Miss Panasoffkee had recently arrived from a small fishing village in Greece, with her extensive dental work and ankle surgery and her nice clothing and jewelry.

 

[killarney rose]

I can come up with several reasons that make sense to me. I’m not ready to call the isotopes wrong and give up on the Greek theory, but am open to the fact the isotope testing might be off.

 

[killarney rose]

My thinking is kind of methodical. I’d like to see the Greek theory ruled out, then Alexis before we keep moving on. That’s JMHO. is there any way of following up on the Greek lead. It was so promising and it’s been so long.

 

[carbuff]

I give very little weight to isotope testing. It’s proved to be wrong more often than right.

I would qualify that to "the technology is really precisely accurate, but the meaning we ascribe to it might be off, and there's nowhere near enough information about isotopes in the environment to know how accurate the mapping from person to geography is. And on top of that, the explanations usually suck mud through a straw."

 

[carbuff]

My thinking is kind of methodical. I’d like to see the Greek theory ruled out, then Alexis before we keep moving on. That’s JMHO. is there any way of following up on the Greek lead. It was so promising and it’s been so long.

I don't think it can be ruled out completely until she's identified and we find out whether she's from someplace else. It's entirely possible the Greek theory is correct.

I haven't always followed this case closely. Was the girl who supposedly came from Greece ever identified and ruled out?

 

[killarney rose]

Not to my knowledge. The last I remember was that she was recognized by someone and mentioned on a Greek talk show and it was said she possibly had a brother.

 

[lonewanderer]

Not to my knowledge. The last I remember was that she was recognized by someone and mentioned on a Greek talk show and it was said she possibly had a brother.

It's been over a year since I listened to it, but TheTrailWentCold does an episode on her and goes into very great detail about the Greek fishing town she may have been from and the person who thought they recognized her (from a Greek Catholic school IIRC).

 

[carbuff]

It's been over a year since I listened to it, but TheTrailWentCold does an episode on her and goes into very great detail about the Greek fishing town she may have been from and the person who thought they recognized her (from a Greek Catholic school IIRC).

Yeah I saw the episode. I was asking about whether LE had followed up or if anything was being done to locate relatives, get DNA for matching, or any other investigation.

 

[onceuponadecember]

I know that there aren't any photos of LMLP's ring - I'll see if Det. Warren might be willing to share photos of it.

 

[onceuponadecember]

I did a little research on isotope testing and I think LMLP's are probably right. Here's my take on it:
First off, here are some reference maps.
Map 1 shows 3 different Southern European countries oxygen levels (same kind used for LMLP). Map 2 shows all of Europe in terms of oxygen levels
Map 3 shows Europe in terms of Carbon levels.
Map 4 shows the US in terms of Carbon levels

Since the isotope scientists believe LMLP's oxygen hails from Greece, it also matches that of Southern Italy and Spain. However, Greece has a higher Carbon isotope than mentioned, and it's also noted LMLP had more carbon isotopes when she entered the US, so that pretty much points away from Greece. This rules in two places IMO: Reggio Calabria, IT and Alicante, ES. I feel like these two major cities are good starting points. In terms of the US, central Florida is showing to be somewhat high, so this starts to add up IMO. I'm not a isotope expert, but this is just my guess based on facts.

 

[Richard]

Have we considered Alexis Duggan? Alexis Dugan – The Charley Project

Missing September 1970 from Tampa under unknown circumstances, had a child and a scar on her right ankle. Her exclusions on Namus (The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)) don't show this UID.

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Duggan was last seen in Tampa, Florida on September 14, 1970. She left her Tampa, Florida residence sometime between midnight and 4:00 a.m., leaving behind her ten-month-old daughter, and without taking any belongings with her. She has never been heard from again. Few details are available in her case... (Charley Site)

Locality and circumstances make this a good possibility.

 

[onceuponadecember]

Duggan was last seen in Tampa, Florida on September 14, 1970. She left her Tampa, Florida residence sometime between midnight and 4:00 a.m., leaving behind her ten-month-old daughter, and without taking any belongings with her. She has never been heard from again. Few details are available in her case... (Charley Site)

Locality and circumstances make this a good possibility.

My question is, how has there never been a DNA comparison?

 

[coffeeandacig]

In response to a recent request...
Here's my sketch based on the skull of "Little Miss Panasoffskee".
Hope it helps!

 

[Springrain]

I'd love to know more about how isotope testing works and why it has been so wrong in a few famous cases. I thought it sounded really exciting when I heard about how it was used with the Bear Brook victims, and iirc the results were pretty accurate in that case. I'm really curious how the conclusions were so wrong about Beth Doe.

Isotope testing seems to be really random with its inaccuracy IMHO. I remember they were pretty accurate for Marcia King (Buckskin Girl), although not exact - they got the general area she was from right (southern/southern midwest US). Then they were totally off for Evelyn Colon (Beth Doe), getting Europe results from Pennsylvania, and with Peggy Lynn Johnson (Racine County Jane Doe), they thought she was from the northwestern US or Canada and she was from Illinois. Then with the Bear Brook Does, they seem to have been accurate (well, we don't know about Rasmussen's daughter, but Marlyse, Marie and Sarah were). It seems to kind of be a toss up.

 

[ninetimesfifteen]

Maybe it's not the isotopes that are wrong, but the person interpreting them.

 

[Springrain]

Ignore

 

[onceuponadecember]

I know this is unlikely, but could Samuel Little have killed Miss Panasoffkee? His sketch of a girl he killed in Florida from 1970-1972, as well as the fact that she was Scandanavian and strangled, makes me wonder.

 

[onceuponadecember]

Never mind, that woman has been identified. Ignore it.

 

[carbuff]

Never mind, that woman has been identified. Ignore it.

It was a good thought though.

 

[imstilla.grandma]