FL - Terri Schiavo Court Case

  • #41
Hi,

Sorry guys, but I'm a bit of a conservative on this case.

I know she had every test after she was deceased, but there is absolutely nothing that tells me he did not injure her on the night she fell ill, and did cause her infirmity.

I think he is just beyond belief that what he did actually caused another human being to be laid so low, as to live in a vegetative state for years, her brain continually turning to liquid, while he watched and pronounced his innocence in any act of wrong doing.

Too bad he never was made to answer to the law. He will have to answer to his maker!



Scandi
 
  • #42
Linda7NJ said:
I believe everyone should have a living will to ensure their wishes are respected. Terri did not, any blame for the legal wrangling was her fault.
She was in her 20's! No 20 year old ever thinks they'll need a living will - and almost none of them ever do. That goes double 15 years ago - living wills still aren't that common. The lack of one shouldn't condemn Terri - nor anyone else - to a living death. I still don't have one - I trust my family and husband to honor my wishes.



Oh, and there have been plenty of investigations, all of which have found nothing at all suggesting Michael Schiavo harmed Terri - ever. He went above and beyond when this first happened, getting her experimental treatments and every possible advantage. The poor guy has been demonized and called horrible names because he fought to honor his wife's wishes. I've got a great deal of respect for that - he could have been a millionaire and avoided a ton of the slander and harassment and death threats - but he turned down multiple offers of money to honor his wife's wishes.

I'd do the same for my husband - the exact and precise same. Try to save him, but fight for his right to die once I knew it was hopeless - even if his parents fell in with quacks and extremists and wanted desperately to keep his corpse breathing. Michael respected Terri's wishes - and since it was her body, that is all that mattered.
 
  • #43
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scandi said:
Hi,

Sorry guys, but I'm a bit of a conservative on this case.

I know she had every test after she was deceased, but there is absolutely nothing that tells me he did not injure her on the night she fell ill, and did cause her infirmity.

I think he is just beyond belief that what he did actually caused another human being to be laid so low, as to live in a vegetative state for years, her brain continually turning to liquid, while he watched and pronounced his innocence in any act of wrong doing.

Too bad he never was made to answer to the law. He will have to answer to his maker!



Scandi

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Being left to die of thirst , such a painfull death , and now he say's he loved her. I just hope I will never be loved like this . :(
 
  • #44
As far as I am concerned he can take HIS story and shove it where the sun don't shine. I get angry even hearing this creeps name :furious: That is how I feel and that is my opinion of this jerk :furious:
 
  • #45
Bobbisangel said:
As far as I am concerned he can take HIS story and shove it where the sun don't shine. I get angry even hearing this creeps name :furious: That is how I feel and that is my opinion of this jerk :furious:
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  • #46
Details said:
She was in her 20's! No 20 year old ever thinks they'll need a living will - and almost none of them ever do. That goes double 15 years ago - living wills still aren't that common. The lack of one shouldn't condemn Terri - nor anyone else - to a living death. I still don't have one - I trust my family and husband to honor my wishes.



Oh, and there have been plenty of investigations, all of which have found nothing at all suggesting Michael Schiavo harmed Terri - ever. He went above and beyond when this first happened, getting her experimental treatments and every possible advantage. The poor guy has been demonized and called horrible names because he fought to honor his wife's wishes. I've got a great deal of respect for that - he could have been a millionaire and avoided a ton of the slander and harassment and death threats - but he turned down multiple offers of money to honor his wife's wishes.

I'd do the same for my husband - the exact and precise same. Try to save him, but fight for his right to die once I knew it was hopeless - even if his parents fell in with quacks and extremists and wanted desperately to keep his corpse breathing. Michael respected Terri's wishes - and since it was her body, that is all that mattered.
This story brought the issue to the nations attention, I am thankful for that. You are right many people don't like to contemplate their own death, despite the fact that every single last one of them will die.
I've had a living will since I was 19 years old, I believe it to be selfish not to. Without your wishes in writing you may force an unwanted emotional burden on your family members. All it takes is one to disagree.
By having a living will you could ensure your wishes will be followed and remove that burden from your family.
 
  • #47
Linda7NJ said:
This story brought the issue to the nations attention, I am thankful for that. You are right many people don't like to contemplate their own death, despite the fact that every single last one of them will die.
I've had a living will since I was 19 years old, I believe it to be selfish not to. Without your wishes in writing you may force an unwanted emotional burden on your family members. All it takes is one to disagree.
By having a living will you could ensure your wishes will be followed and remove that burden from your family.
Nothing removes that burden - there are so many edge cases, so many times when, as in this case, a quack can offer false hope that will be believed no matter how many real doctors tell the truth. A desperate family member who doesn't want something to happen can sieze on a million excuses - that she didn't read the living will before signing; "I know Jane Doe, and she would never have wanted this"; this condition is still treatable, so it doesn't fit the living will conditions... etc.

If Terri had a living will, it wouldn't have made a difference to her parents - they said so. And it wouldn't have made the decisions any easier, because no doubt the living will would have said something about letting her go if she was in a permanent coma and left out PVS; or even if PVS was listed, the quacks make her parents think she's not in a PVS - so the problem continues. I'm confident my parents and my husband know my position, so I'm not too worried. Although, I am a decision maker listed on a friends living will - I may someday be in the position to make that decision (her parents are old - one dead, one Altzheimers; divorced so no husband; sisters are a bit far away and have troubles of their own, so me and my sister make the decision for her if it has to be made - we are her former step-daughters).

But I think when the decision maker approved by law (my husband, followed by my parents if he were dead) is someone you trust to make the choices for you - it's just not necessary to make a formal living will. Maybe I'm careless here - but I don't think that should be an excuse to force me into some miserable living death; to deny my friends and family the closure of having it all over rather than having a living corpse to cling to. A living will is a good thing, definitely, but it shouldn't be the only way; shouldn't be required to cease hopeless care.

If you die without a will, your belongings are not confiscated - they are given to the most likely correct person automatically. If you have medical trouble without a living will, I think the same type of action is appropriate - and that is what happens now in this country, by law.
 
  • #48
Details said:
She was in her 20's! No 20 year old ever thinks they'll need a living will - and almost none of them ever do. That goes double 15 years ago - living wills still aren't that common. The lack of one shouldn't condemn Terri - nor anyone else - to a living death. I still don't have one - I trust my family and husband to honor my wishes.



Oh, and there have been plenty of investigations, all of which have found nothing at all suggesting Michael Schiavo harmed Terri - ever. He went above and beyond when this first happened, getting her experimental treatments and every possible advantage. The poor guy has been demonized and called horrible names because he fought to honor his wife's wishes. I've got a great deal of respect for that - he could have been a millionaire and avoided a ton of the slander and harassment and death threats - but he turned down multiple offers of money to honor his wife's wishes.

I'd do the same for my husband - the exact and precise same. Try to save him, but fight for his right to die once I knew it was hopeless - even if his parents fell in with quacks and extremists and wanted desperately to keep his corpse breathing. Michael respected Terri's wishes - and since it was her body, that is all that mattered.

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  • #49
OK I am going to throw this out here as the devils advocate......



I have a disabled child so I am aware of the rights he has, and should have.

But at the age of 25 I also had to decide if my mother should be kept alive or not via machines...

And in that experience I learned it was not about her it was about those alive and how they deal with it.
It was not about her wishes but about what other people wanted..
My dad wanted me to make sure she did not die on xmas or a week later on my sisters bday.
Her friends actually called the hospital and tried to lie and say thye were related. To the extent that they tried to supercede me by saying they were her new hubby.

So IMO much of this debate was not about that person as so much as about those not willing to let go.
Everyone debated those millions that micheal "won"... after about 10 months in a hospital in a coma those funds are gone.
WHy keep her alive and make tax payers pay?
I am sad at the judgement going on here.
The concept that an eating disorder was the cause is so not out of bounds...
 
  • #50
I'm not sure if Michael did anything to cause her condition or not. All I know to be true is that she had rotting teeth inside her mouth that could have been taken care of and things of that nature. If he cared about her enough to see to it that "her wishes" were carried out, that's fine. I just don't see why she had to be neglected during that time period.
 
  • #51
MaryKate said:
OK I am going to throw this out here as the devils advocate......



I have a disabled child so I am aware of the rights he has, and should have.

But at the age of 25 I also had to decide if my mother should be kept alive or not via machines...

And in that experience I learned it was not about her it was about those alive and how they deal with it.
It was not about her wishes but about what other people wanted..
My dad wanted me to make sure she did not die on xmas or a week later on my sisters bday.
Her friends actually called the hospital and tried to lie and say thye were related. To the extent that they tried to supercede me by saying they were her new hubby.

So IMO much of this debate was not about that person as so much as about those not willing to let go.
Everyone debated those millions that micheal "won"... after about 10 months in a hospital in a coma those funds are gone.
WHy keep her alive and make tax payers pay?
I am sad at the judgement going on here.
The concept that an eating disorder was the cause is so not out of bounds...

I totally agree you Mary Kate.
 
  • #52
Some of you stated you wouldn't mind reading some excerpts from books re Michael Schiavo, so I'm bringing some quotes from Mark Fuhrman's book from another forum to this one. I'll let you draw your own conclusions on what Fuhrman's opinion was.

Excerpts taken from the book "Silent Witness" by Mark Fuhrman.

"My experience is that the recollections of family members who discover loved ones dead or injured are usually very accurate. They remember vivid details that remain with them for the rest of their lives." (page 186)

"He was the first one to see her. Instead of being vivid and accurate, his recollections are vague, contradictory, and sometimes nonsensical. The story changes every time he tells it."

"Michael's only consistent recollection from the early morning hours of February 25, 1990, is the sound of Terri falling to the floor, which he consistently describes as a thud. Why does he remember this detail, while everything else is vauge or contradictory? Whether or not he committed a criminal act, I believe Michael witnessed Terri falling. And he has never forgotten that." (page 186-187)

"When a detective team is working a case, they will often sit down, over coffee in the morning or beer at night, and think outside of the box, tossing around ideas that sometimes sound ridiculous, sometimes are ridiculous, and sometimes wind up solving the case." (page 192)

"If you are someone who talks to yourself while engaged in an important task, you will understand. This is just a detective talking out loud, in the hope that by hearing his own words, the facts that he already knows backward and forward, will fit into some pattern that resembles the truth as it occurred. (page 192)

"Cops might have more technologically advanced investigative resources at their disposal, but criminals haven't changed. The suspects we are chasing today are no different from the ones my training officers were chasing thirty years ago. They do the same stupid things, lie about the same obvious evidence, and usually talk themselves into jail more often than not. Suspects make mistakes, and they all think they will get away with the crime." (page 203)

"When people who have the most control over and around the victim begin to change simple and innocent statements, or for some reason can't remember a simple fact, such as the time when they discovered their wife, they become a suspect." (page 204)

"A suspect who does not have a criminal history has one significant disadvantage. He does not know how to act, either as a grieving husband or as a murderer." (page 205)

"At the same as the suspect puts on his act, he also has to be careful when describing his actions and observations. Most other suspects do not want to place themselves at the crime scene. This suspect lives there. Most other suspects don't want to have any connection to the victim. This suspect was married to her." (page 205)

"But suspects often try to answer questions they don't or couldn't know the answers to in order to throw off suspicion. In their guilty minds, they need to account for everything. They think the more they tell the detective, the more the dumb cop is likely to be satisfied, and they will escape suspicion. (page 207)

"The husband's actions were consistent with the behavior of middle-class suspects in domestic homicides. Call someone early to establish urgency, panic, and stop the time. Have them assist at the scene, which is supposedly pristine. Fail to assist the victim." (page 208)

"Detective bureaus all over the country have cases like this. Some of them are eventually solved; many are not. Domestic homicides are usually solved by quick identification of the suspect and his or her immediate commitment to the story. (page 208)

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  • #53
Mr Schaivo is a,..... He is ...... He can. .......

Nevermind, I don't want a time out again.

:banghead: :banghead: :furious: :furious:
 
  • #54
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lisag said:
Mr Schaivo is a,..... He is ...... He can. .......

Nevermind, I don't want a time out again.

:banghead: :banghead: :furious: :furious:

While we disagree on this subject, I did have to laugh at your post. :D It did get a bit heated on the other forum, didn't it? :innocent: :angel: ;)
 
  • #55
Jules said:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



While we disagree on this subject, I did have to laugh at your post. :D It did get a bit heated on the other forum, didn't it? :innocent: :angel: ;)


Just a lilttle..... :innocent:
 
  • #56
  • #57
I have no interest in anything Michael Shiavo has to say.
 
  • #58
I agree lisag and Cupcake! :angel: :angel:
 
  • #59
I personally would have done what Michael did... He did all he could for his wife... Her parents, like anyones want to believe and hold on forever... What kind of life did Terri have? I am 24 and i had a living will drawn up about 3 years ago. I have also told my family my wishes, but i also have it in legal document form.
 
  • #60
IdahoMom said:
I agree lisag and Cupcake! :angel: :angel:


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