FL - Tommy Poindexter & 3 others for mother-son gang rape, West Palm Beach, 2007

[southcitymom]

Problem is more kids means more welfare checks for only 5 years. Then they are forced off of welfare.

The other two???? Maybe.

I hope the media attention will at the very least help this mother and her son get the much needed therapy. Maybe they will raise enough money to get a new place to live. Can't imagine going back to that spot in Hell.

It's a socio-economic issue, not a racial issue - escept to the extent that there are racial factors at play ion our socio-economic problems.

I read an in-depth newspaper series talking about this - can't remember where but it was within the past year. They interviewed a number of mothers who were wholly uncapable of taking care of life (their own or another's), but kept having kid after kid after kid.

Welfare money was often a factor, but the other thing that each woman said in some form or fashion was (I'm paraphrasing here, but this is the gist): "The only time in my life that I feel special or worthwhile or needed or important is when I am pregnant/taking care of a young child."

Literally, these women only touch a sense of what they consider to be self-esteem when they are pregnant.

They don't feel like they have any talents or abilities or good stuff to offer the world; they feel like they are worthless people and probably have felt that way most of their lives; they feel like there is nothing worthwhile about them and the world treats them like hell or ignores them, except when they are pregnant. Several woman actually said something like "People treat you special when you are pregnant and I love that feeling. When I am pregnant, I am somebody." So I think that contributes to the cycle. It's very very sad.

 

[Cheetah]

They don't feel like they have any talents or abilities or good stuff to offer the world; they feel like they are worthless people and probably have felt that way most of their lives; they feel like there is nothing worthwhile about them and the world treats them like hell or ignores them, except when they are pregnant. Several woman actually said something like "People treat you special when you are pregnant and I love that feeling. When I am pregnant, I am somebody." So I think that contributes to the cycle. It's very very sad.

Maybe for some women??

You know...I feel really sad today, sad that this happened, sad that three teenagers will spend possibly the rest of their lives in prison, and sad that the victims will NEVER forget what has happened to them.

Whenever a horrible crime is committed in a ghetto, the issue of welfare and having too many kids almost always comes up. Yes....most of these women are on welfare and yes some have more than 1 child, but I don't think that they do it to get more welfare. It's a viscous cycle that just keeps repeating and repeating and.....the circumstances never change. A young girl who grew up without a father, in horrible surroundings, living in poverty meets a boy. He promises her the world and a family...something she never had. She believes him, gets pregnant, drops out of school...has a baby. By this time the father has either split, is in jail, is dead, or just doesn't have any money. So the mother has to apply for government assistance. More than likely the father did split, because he never had a father to teach him how to be a father. She doesn't have the skills to get a job to pay for rent, daycare, and transportation. Chances are she waits until the child can go to school and then obtains a low-paying job. By the time the child is a teenager she is working and the child is home alone with nothing to do, as most of the programs that could give him something to do, no longer exist due to budget cuts. In the surroundings that they live in....it's dangerous for a teenager to be bored and without supervision. So crimes get committed and pregnancies happen....and the cycle continues.

 

[jannuncutt]

LOL....I thought I was pretty clear in my statement that it was the mentality of SOME of the people in THIS neighborhood.

Cheetah, You were clear. I understood what you were saying. My response was not directed to you.

 

[wildTrose]

Three boys indicted I wonder if they will ever find the rest!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19852756/

 

[Cheetah]

A breeze flips the dirt-stained pages of Norma Jean Austin's Bible as it sits atop the quivering air conditioner in the window of her Dunbar Village apartment. As if it can read Austin's thoughts, the wind pauses at Psalm 140.

"Deliver me, O Lord, from the evil man; preserve me from the violent man."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2007/07/22/m1a_dunbar_0722.html

 

[Cheetah]

WEST PALM BEACH — She was exhausted from delivering phone books all day and returned late to her Dunbar Village apartment that night.

She was helping her son make something to eat downstairs in the kitchen when the young black male with braided hair came to the door, reporting the fictional flat tire. She stepped outside, according to a police investigation document released Tuesday, one that reads thereon like a horror story spun out of control.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2007/08/22/s1b_dunbar_0822.html

 

[joe jones]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2007/11/01/DUNBAR.html

new documents, information released,

DNA ties most of the 4 defendants to the crime,

and still no other arrests on the 6 named suspects that was in the documents released in October,

I have not found any links to documents other than the original affadavits to support the criminal complaints,

if anybody comes upon links to the documents could you kindly post them

I will be following the case to trial,

I hope the state does allow one of the boys to take a plea, and testify against all the others, to save the victims having to possibly testify,

and I did read that they may sever the trials, so they mayhave separate trials, that must be a horryfying prospect for the victims, to have to relive it over and over again,

I just hope they are being well looked after and cared for,

 

[mysteriew]

Thanks for the update Joe. I have thought about this case so much. I too do hope that she and her son are safe and secure and well cared for somewhere. I also hope that counseling is available for her and her son.

 

[joe jones]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpdunbar1102xpnnov02,0,2175680.story

one of the defendants looking to get a deal,

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I still instantly want to puke everytime I see this thread. Ugh.

 

[mysteriew]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-flpdunbar1102xpnnov02,0,2175680.story

one of the defendants looking to get a deal,

Poor poor baby. He cries every night. They made him do it. BS!!! They say showed remorse in one letter of the several he has written. And of the 6 he says were involved, that is probably the 6 they have DNA for. The victims have said 10, and 10 is what I believe.

He mentioned they were videotaping the attack. Did police get their hands on the video?

 

[joe jones]

In reading up on the case one of the defence attys is saying his client will not waive his right to a speedy trial, so far I think they have been incarcerated since being charged for just over 100 days, in Florida they have 175 days to get to trial,

it is the atty of Nathan Walker, who says they don't have much evidence on his client, and he wants the DNA and latent print (left palm) to have it independently tested,

according to reports in the media his DNA was found on the outside of a condom, the DNA inside the condom came from Avion Lawson,

 

[mysteriew]

So if I am reading this correctly they are going to try to say that he gave the condom to Lawson, but that he wasn't actually there.

 

[Maxine]

Why oh why can't the parents of these creatures recognize the horror, and force these kids to take responsibility ?

 

[philamena]

I hope they each are punished to the max.
Honestly, I hope they suffer vigilante justice while awaiting trial.
IMO, they should all be shot....save the state a ton of money.

 

[CaliKid]

Unfortunately, the parents have been involved in multiple crimes themselves, so they only thing they care about is getting their precious babies out of jail. They don't have any concept of the word, responsibility.

 

[believe09]

I would love to think that the defendant can only get a deal if he coughs up all 10 participants and the video tape. But I live in a dream world, not Hell where that is gtteed to get some kind of retaliation going against his family.

 

[absinthe]

Are there any updates on this case? I was just wondering about it today.

 

[Filly]

Are there any updates on this case? I was just wondering about it today.

Absinthe, the only thing I could find was from the end of this past April. This article is actually about the housing project where the crimes occured, but says Jakaris Taylor plead guilty to burglary and 2 counts of armed sexual battery in a deal to avoid life in prison. Exchange is he has to testify against his "friends", and they think even more arrests may be made due to this.


http://www.sfltimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1341&Itemid=1

 

[mysteriew]

I thought about this one the other day also and wondered where things stood. Thanks Filly for finding the article.