FL - Tracy Ocasio, 27, Orlando/Ocoee, 27 May 2009 - #1

[Kateyes]

nursebeeme - I read the article at the link you provided. And I understand the rationale behind the decision. But, has anything at all of any significance been found? I am just baffled - how devious is Hataway - or is this another case of hidden in plain sight, similar to poor Caylee Anthony? Can't help but wonder. He would have disposed of the body quickly I think, which would limit options. I really thought Tracy may have been found by now, even with all of the lakes in Orlando area, and specifically on that side of town. I pray for that one break LE needs to crack this case.

 

[amytlake]

I plan to do a search of the areas provided by dearmont tomorrow.
I will update everyone with what we see, find, notice, etc.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Hope it helps, Lil. Amytlake's bein' doin' such a stellar job. And I know it takes some time for her to do all the annotation and load up those images for individual posts. Hats off to Amytlake for all the hard work :clap: :thumb: :clap:

Map is set-up so that ANYONE can edit it. So please feel free to mark it w/ additional info. I've done a hack job of it so far...just thought it'd help to get the ball rolling.

If I can get a little help from Georgia PI I'll add some radii in circles (vs. the 'x' currently). If/when we get some cell pings we'll add 'em too.

I'm thinking to make a copy of this one and try to overlay some of the key locations from the Kesse case (and O. Chris George if we have that info) to see if there is an intersection...or likely intersection that might give us cause to focus on any particular area IYKWIM.

(bbm) I like your idea bjb... beginnning perhaps w intersection of Ocoee-Apopka at Keene Rds., location where according to witnesses OCG was last seen running from his white SUV Feb 12, 2009. Police also saw JVH and two other men near George's abandoned car on Ocoee-Apopka Rd. This is near Binion Rd (his childhood fishing spot or "comfort zone") that was focus of recent searching and road on which Magnolia Park and boat launch are located (at 2760 S Binion Rd).

Locations for Jennifer Kesse and her vehicle could be plotted as well. Her condo off John Young Pkwy (near Mall at Millenia) where she was last seen; and spot where her car was found near Texas Ave. at Americana Blvd., either of which is a short 5 mi/15 min drive from Taproom (S on Kirkman, E on Conroy) which seems to have become the central location, and key focus, of these investigations.
arrot:

 

[athy]

have they checked those lakes or are they ponds that were near where tracy's car was found?

 

[BondJamesBond]

(bbm) I like your idea bjb... beginnning perhaps w intersection of Ocoee-Apopka at Keene Rds., location where according to witnesses OCG was last seen running from his white SUV Feb 12, 2009. Police also saw JVH and two other men near George's abandoned car on Ocoee-Apopka Rd. This is near Binion Rd (his childhood fishing spot or "comfort zone") that was focus of recent searching and road on which Magnolia Park and boat launch are located (at 2760 S Binion Rd).

Locations for Jennifer Kesse and her vehicle could be plotted as well. Her condo off John Young Pkwy (near Mall at Millenia) where she was last seen; and spot where her car was found near Texas Ave. at Americana Blvd., either of which is a short 5 mi/15 min drive from Taproom (S on Kirkman, E on Conroy) which seems to have become the central location, and key focus, of these investigations.
arrot:

Thanks, kiki. I got a tutorial from Georgia PI, but, I only made it so far before I ran into a problem. Sooo....still working on it. I did check that the map is set for anyone to have the option to edit. If you aren't seeing it that way...need to ask you if you have a gmail account and have logged in...you'll need to clear both those hurdles on Google to be an editor.

I don't wanna litter this thread with a bunch of chatter. In order to set the size of the radii around the key locations I'll need help w/ the same timing info provided on this thread for Tracy...except will need it for George & Kesse. Can ask for the Kesse info on her thread. I'm assuming George has his own thread....but that IS an assumption. Anyone able to post a link to George's thread?

Apologies for the chatter.

 

[BondJamesBond]

I plan to do a search of the areas provided by dearmont tomorrow.
I will update everyone with what we see, find, notice, etc.

No specific information provided on the 4:30AM or 8:30AM ping(s) yet? IOW...if we've been told in general that these were in the area of the house & car...is it obvious from the TES search locations in these areas if they're focused in a particular sector of 120degrees around one of the 5 towers there?

IF POI wasn't apprehended until ~Noon and if the phone were still in his possession @ 8:30AM then he may have been prompted by the phone ringing to act on it (apologies - I'm prolly repeating myself). Any information on his movements prior to his arrest?. If he'd already done what I'd expect him to do...dispose of all the evidence before sunrise...then the location of the phone when pinged @ 8:30AM would be its final location. Esp. if its final location includes being with the purse then there's a possibilty of getting prints. Even if the purse/phone aren't with the body...finding them is as good as finding the body @ this stage IMHO. Are TES search teams being instructed on what to look for in terms of a description of her purse?

 

[kiki the parrot]

Thanks, kiki. I got a tutorial from Georgia PI, but, I only made it so far before I ran into a problem. Sooo....still working on it. I did check that the map is set for anyone to have the option to edit. If you aren't seeing it that way...need to ask you if you have a gmail account and have logged in...you'll need to clear both those hurdles on Google to be an editor.

I don't wanna litter this thread with a bunch of chatter. In order to set the size of the radii around the key locations I'll need help w/ the same timing info provided on this thread for Tracy...except will need it for George & Kesse. Can ask for the Kesse info on her thread. I'm assuming George has his own thread....but that IS an assumption. Anyone able to post a link to George's thread?

Apologies for the chatter.

Yes as written in pm I did first create google account, it's prolly just me. And yes I searched yesterday for thread for George and never have found one. (Which is why I suggested morphing name of next Ocasio thread continuation into, "People Who Knew Hataway and Popped Up Missing," heavy sigh. Yes slightly tongue in cheek... every missing person deserves at least a thread of their own and one of course can be started, but actually very keen on idea of exploring connections between these crimes.)

Chatter, chatter...

arrot:

 

[kiki the parrot]

I have begun a thread for Onda Chris George. Possible connections between Jennifer Kesse, Tracy Ocasio and George disappearances are being explored by LE and here on this forum thus crossreferencing posts w those threads is highly encouraged. Note to mod: If there is already a thread for Onda Chris George please delete thread and kindly direct me.

FL Onda "Chris" George Last Seen Feb 12 2009 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Initially it was reported that George (and Tyler Watters) had been involved in an accident from which George simply "wandered off." Those assurances, it seems, came largely from JVH himself who told LE George was prone to using hallucinogens and disappearing on drug binges for weeks on end. For this reason, evidently no missing person report was filed, and the case was closed soon after.

While TES and some sites are still reporting George disappeared "following an accident," the case was more recently reopened in light of Ocasio investigation and growing suspicion JVH could potentially be involved in Jennifer Kesse's disappearance as well.

'Initially, investigators thought Chris and another friend wrecked his truck off Ocoee-Apopka Road February 12, the day Chris disappeared.

However, now they're questioning if there was ever a wreck at all.

"We have recently learned as of this week the vehicle was brought back and set up," said Officer Edwin Chittenden, Apopka Police Department.'

http://www.wftv.com/news/19692012/detail.html

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-hataway-person-interest-ocasio-060409,0,1953691.story

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/06/missing-christopher-george-29-apopka-fl/

arrot:

 

[kiki the parrot]

Link below to News 13’s brief timeline in Tracy Ocasio case.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2009/6/14/tracy_ocasio_timeline.html

arrot:

 

[Georgia PI]

Originally Posted by BondJamesBond

Hope it helps, Lil. Amytlake's bein' doin' such a stellar job. And I know it takes some time for her to do all the annotation and load up those images for individual posts. Hats off to Amytlake for all the hard work

Map is set-up so that ANYONE can edit it. So please feel free to mark it w/ additional info. I've done a hack job of it so far...just thought it'd help to get the ball rolling.

If I can get a little help from Georgia PI I'll add some radii in circles (vs. the 'x' currently). If/when we get some cell pings we'll add 'em too.

I'm thinking to make a copy of this one and try to overlay some of the key locations from the Kesse case (and O. Chris George if we have that info) to see if there is an intersection...or likely intersection that might give us cause to focus on any particular area IYKWIM

Bond,

Sorry for the delay in your request, I quickly edited the map to include a "11.25 Mile Radius" using your reference points.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...38386,-81.522675&spn=0.154423,0.2108&t=h&z=12

 

[BondJamesBond]

Bond,

Sorry for the delay in your request, I quickly edited the map to include a "11.25 Mile Radius" using your reference points.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...38386,-81.522675&spn=0.154423,0.2108&t=h&z=12

Thanks, Georgia PI :thumb:

Sorry to be so dense...I'd still like to learn how to do this if you can find the patience/time. Some others I'd like to place on here and I don't wanna keep buggin' you. Know you're busy.

Thanks again!

 

[Kateyes]

We have talked about Tracy's cell phone and pings, but Hataway's phone could also provide useful information. I am sure LE has alreay done this, but it could be very revealing to compare the pings on Tracy's phone from the night of her disappearance until 8:30 the next morning with the pings on Hataway's phone during the same time frame. Would bet the same towers ping both phones. LE would not be releasing this info right now, but I sure wish there were some way those searching could have benefit of this info. I mean those searching on their own, not just those with Equusearch. Wishful thinking.

 

[Kateyes]

I lived on the east side of town the whole 21 years I was in Florida, and although I know the west side in terms of major roads,and a few shortcuts, I am more much familiar with the east side. I feel frustrated because this case seems like it is at a standstill, and I wish I could do something to help. Frustrated too that the POI just sits in jail and says nothing.... Would love to know how these people live with themselves... rhetorical question since sociopaths have no conscience to bother them about their evil deeds.

 

[amytlake]

I was JUST mentioning this same thing yesterday when my friend and i were doing our own independent searching.
We have looked alot of places based on information we are getting, but nothing so far. I turned to her yesterday as we are driving thru a dumping ground saying "Man i wish we know where his phone was pinging all night b/c i feel like we are searching for a needle in a haystack".
I will post pictures of where we searched the last few days in case anyone with any visions/viewings/etc sees anything familiar.

We have talked about Tracy's cell phone and pings, but Hataway's phone could also provide useful information. I am sure LE has alreay done this, but it could be very revealing to compare the pings on Tracy's phone from the night of her disappearance until 8:30 the next morning with the pings on Hataway's phone during the same time frame. Would bet the same towers ping both phones. LE would not be releasing this info right now, but I sure wish there were some way those searching could have benefit of this info. I mean those searching on their own, not just those with Equusearch. Wishful thinking.

 

[chesterp]

I was JUST mentioning this same thing yesterday when my friend and i were doing our own independent searching.
We have looked alot of places based on information we are getting, but nothing so far. I turned to her yesterday as we are driving thru a dumping ground saying "Man i wish we know where his phone was pinging all night b/c i feel like we are searching for a needle in a haystack".
I will post pictures of where we searched the last few days in case anyone with any visions/viewings/etc sees anything familiar.

The Ocasio's have a website.... A lot of the locals are going to continue the search. I am not familiar with the area, but they are going to set up a command center on a trail...... and take their ATV's and continue foot searches.

These kids were telling us what a this guy was......
He would tell girls he abused he would cut their main arteries and throw them in the lakes...what the gator did not eat the snapping turtles would finish you up. He terrorized these girls..... But according to the interview I saw of the neighbor...he was such a nice guy and kept to himself.

We drove and searched around his house, where the accident was with his friend who is missing, and the area where her car was found and the last ping. This was an organized search so much was going on I do not know any details.... I just searched on foot for days and on the ATV's with some of her friends. LE was wonderful and even though it will take longer to find her, she will be found and God knows who else or what else will be found during the continued searches.

If any of you are able to donate to TES it would be greatly appreciated. TES is not just for Florida...TES does so much good all over. This is a wonderful organization and runs completely on donations it is a 501 c3 charity. I am so glad I am apart of this organiztion and all of the members and volunteers feel the same. Tim works exhaustedly 24/7 and he has the biggest heart in the World.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, Texas EquuSearch is doing a fantastic job across the country and they do need our help daily in order to continue searches. Please go to their site and give freely! Their help is crucial in finding so many who are still out there while their loved ones wait.

http://texasequusearch.org/

Thanks for the reminder, Chesterp~

 

[kiki the parrot]

The Ocasio's have a website.... A lot of the locals are going to continue the search. I am not familiar with the area, but they are going to set up a command center on a trail...... and take their ATV's and continue foot searches.

These kids were telling us what a this guy was......
He would tell girls he abused he would cut their main arteries and throw them in the lakes...what the gator did not eat the snapping turtles would finish you up. He terrorized these girls..... But according to the interview I saw of the neighbor...he was such a nice guy and kept to himself.

We drove and searched around his house, where the accident was with his friend who is missing, and the area where her car was found and the last ping. This was an organized search so much was going on I do not know any details.... I just searched on foot for days and on the ATV's with some of her friends. LE was wonderful and even though it will take longer to find her, she will be found and God knows who else or what else will be found during the continued searches.

If any of you are able to donate to TES it would be greatly appreciated. TES is not just for Florida...TES does so much good all over. This is a wonderful organization and runs completely on donations it is a 501 c3 charity. I am so glad I am apart of this organiztion and all of the members and volunteers feel the same. Tim works exhaustedly 24/7 and he has the biggest heart in the World.

(bbm) LE of course has now concluded there evidently was no "accident." Rather George's car was brought there and set up or staged to appear George ran off Ocoee-Apopka Rd. and thru fence prior to "wandering off." I did add this to map--where intersects w Keene Rd--as site George was last spotted. And location where Jennifer's car was found. I did not add Jenn's condo yet (since I wasn't certain it pertained directly to movements immediately prior to her disappearance), but will add if helpful in reconstructing those. Personally I think it's the Taproom that's the common hunting grounds for this predator. And Lake Apopka (or some other nearby large body of water) his preferred method of disposal. ITA if even one can ever be recovered, there will assuredly be more from where he/she comes.

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[Kimster]

If I were LE, I would try something. When LP was at Blanchard Park searching and I heard that KC wasn't interested, I figured that she didn't leave Caylee there. Now it is widely known how she reacted when they DID find Caylee's remains.

Soooo, why not try and let Hataway think TES found remains in this area and that one and see if his demeaner changes in any way.

 

[LeLe1953]

The Ocasio's have a website.... A lot of the locals are going to continue the search. I am not familiar with the area, but they are going to set up a command center on a trail...... and take their ATV's and continue foot searches.

These kids were telling us what a this guy was......
He would tell girls he abused he would cut their main arteries and throw them in the lakes...what the gator did not eat the snapping turtles would finish you up. He terrorized these girls..... But according to the interview I saw of the neighbor...he was such a nice guy and kept to himself.

We drove and searched around his house, where the accident was with his friend who is missing, and the area where her car was found and the last ping. This was an organized search so much was going on I do not know any details.... I just searched on foot for days and on the ATV's with some of her friends. LE was wonderful and even though it will take longer to find her, she will be found and God knows who else or what else will be found during the continued searches.

If any of you are able to donate to TES it would be greatly appreciated. TES is not just for Florida...TES does so much good all over. This is a wonderful organization and runs completely on donations it is a 501 c3 charity. I am so glad I am apart of this organiztion and all of the members and volunteers feel the same. Tim works exhaustedly 24/7 and he has the biggest heart in the World.

Thanks for taking your time to search & also for being part of TES. I also am a proud member. Do you know if the woods by his home were searced? Were any lakes searched? What about any place known to the Hutto's?

 

[chesterp]

Thanks for taking your time to search & also for being part of TES. I also am a proud member. Do you know if the woods by his home were searced? Were any lakes searched? What about any place known to the Hutto's?

The area around his house has been searched many, many times by LE, TES and the local businesses around his house. The first day a group of us were sent there. I "accidently" stepped on his property and someone YELLED at me. Tim purposely made a point to drive by often in his vehicle with his signs on the car....to let the family know....SHE IS GOING TO BE FOUND. There are so many lakes and it is process of clearing each one. I do not know the Hutto's...I am sure if they are important to this case the right people know and it has been done. So many aquaintences of JH are coming out of the wood work offering suggestions, tips and searching on their own.