GUILTY FL - Two couples found slain, 4yo boy abducted, Hudson, 28 Aug 2014

[yupikgirl]

On a break. Jury will get instructions when they return. Family all just left to take a break as well. Adam left for a minute - I️ assume to use the restroom.


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[yupikgirl]

Judge is going over instructions. She is reading all the mitigating factors that were agreed on yesterday. ( I️ listed most of them earlier- sounds like the same list)

Edit- we are now on verdict watch 1:08 pm.


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[UndiscoveredTruth]

Good afternoon all.. :wave:

[video=twitter;933033706972786688]https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetwork/status/933033706972786688[/video]

#AdamMatos - The jury is now deliberating life or death. #verdictwatch

:waiting: Wonder how long it will take to reach a verdict this time... :thinking:

 

[yupikgirl]

Jury has two questions:

1 what type of execution does the state of Florida use

2. If the laws change will the defendant ever be eligible for parole.

Not sure if that’s exactly what was asked for number 2.

State arguing they can’t give an answer for number 2.

Question 1 - he can elect electric chair or lethal injection. She is going to say “currently” and then what he can choose from.

Judge has decided she won’t answer question 2. Defense wants her to say something like you’ve already got the instructions. She is saying she has to give them an answer and the Supreme Court says she has to say “I’m not able to answer that question”. Or something like that.

Maybe I️ should do talk to text.


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[yupikgirl]

Based on the questions (It looks like they were both from juror number 10) it sounds like he will be discussing with his fellow jurors his worry that Adam may get out if he gets life without parole. Or he wanted to clarify for himself that he wouldn’t be getting out.

Hmmm could be going either way...seems like the topic has come up and if not it will be discussed now that the question has been asked.


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[BUF]

Jury has two questions:

1 what type of execution does the state of Florida use

2. If the laws change will the defendant ever be eligible for parole.

Not sure if that’s exactly what was asked for number 2.

State arguing they can’t give an answer for number 2.

Question 1 - he can elect electric chair or lethal injection. She is going to say “currently” and then what he can choose from.

Judge has decided she won’t answer question 2. Defense wants her to say something like you’ve already got the instructions. She is saying she has to give them an answer and the Supreme Court says she has to say “I’m not able to answer that question”. Or something like that.

Maybe I️ should do talk to text.


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Wow, interesting questions.

 

[yupikgirl]

Wow, interesting questions.

Interesting indeed.

I️ prefer that they give him death. I️ could see where they don’t though. There may be one person on there that believes it was a “crime of passion” even though he claimed self defense.

I️ feel like the questions lean toward someone not being okay with death.

Edit- having never served on a murder trial I️ can’t say for sure I’d give death. I’d like to think I️ would.


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[BUF]

Defense ends with a bunch of stuff about god, Shakespeare, mercy and the testament. He asks why they should show Adam mercy. The answer he says is that if not for Tristan they wouldn’t be there.

He is now claiming Adam is desperate because he thinks he might lose his only child. Oh please. What about Greg knowing what was going to happen to Megan if he didn’t save her?




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Tired about hearing AM's love for his child...he didn't show it!

The defense really brought up religion in their closing? Maybe focusing on that 'one' juror that may be swayed by this? I'll have to watch it, missed it.

 

[yupikgirl]

Tired about hearing AM's love for his child...he didn't show it!

The defense really brought up religion in their closing? Maybe focusing on that 'one' juror that may be swayed by this? I'll have to watch it, missed it.

Yea - it started with mercy and Shakespeare and then he talked about Jesus and one of the testaments. I️ wish I️ could be more specific, but I️ am not religious. Like I️ know nothing. So if I️ was on the jury his whole message would have went right over my head- I️ assumed it was about religion once he mentioned that stuff.

I️ was also cooking at the time so maybe I️ missed the connection. I️ don’t really know much about Shakespeare either though LOL


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[UndiscoveredTruth]

Just doing school lunches.... :gaah: Thanks heaps for the updates, yupikgirl, BUF and Niner! :thumb:

Yes. Where is scmom..didn't see her yesterday either!

 

[BUF]

Interesting indeed.

I️ prefer that they give him death. I️ could see where they don’t though. There may be one person on there that believes it was a “crime of passion” even though he claimed self defense.

I️ feel like the questions lean toward someone not being okay with death.

Edit- having never served on a murder trial I️ can’t say for sure I’d give death. I’d like to think I️ would.


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Honestly, I am one of those that are on the fence about the DP. Although I do feel that this is appropriate for cases as this that four people were brutally murdered, and especially with a child in the house who was forced to live with the dead bodies afterwards, I also look at the totality of the years ahead. All of the appeals that happen and the families' constant reliving their devastation in a legal forum, having to hear the rights of the convicted murderer, not allowing them to try to move forward...even up to the time 'so many years' ahead when an execution date has been set, appeals go on until the very end. I think it is really up to what the families of these victims want to see justice for their loved ones horrible demise...fortunately, I have never had to make this decision.

 

[yupikgirl]

Just doing school lunches.... :gaah: Thanks heaps for the updates, yupikgirl, BUF and Niner! :thumb:

Yes. Where is scmom..didn't see her yesterday either!

I️ guess it’s a busy week with thanksgiving!

I’ve made pie crust today while listening. I️ believe it’s verdict watch for Sasha’s trial right now. I️ can only imagine that thanksgiving is on the minds of both these juries.



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[BUF]

O/T...Ha...got everything in the pot to make cranberry sauce, waiting for it to boil. I forgot to turn the stove on!!

 

[yupikgirl]

Honestly, I am one of those that are on the fence about the DP. Although I do feel that this is appropriate for cases as this that four people were brutally murdered, and especially with a child in the house who was forced to live with the dead bodies afterwards, I also look at the totality of the years ahead. All of the appeals that happen and the families' constant reliving their devastation in a legal forum, having to hear the rights of the convicted murderer, not allowing them to try to move forward...even up to the time 'so many years' ahead when an execution date has been set, appeals go on until the very end. I think it is really up to what the families of these victims want to see justice for their loved ones horrible demise...fortunately, I have never had to make this decision.

Very good points. When I️ say I️ prefer they give him death—I️ literally meant just that—“they” give him death because like I️ said I’m not sure I️ could. I️ know I’m definitely open to considering it and this case is exactly why.

I’ve never had to make the choice either, thankfully. My sister and her husband did a few years ago. His sister was murdered with her young child sleeping next to her trying to defend himself and her (he was 9 he survived and was able to get out to the house and get help).

Her brother, my sisters husband, was her only other surviving relative besides her son and when it came to the trial/ sentencing etc. they opted for life without parole to spare her son just what you described.


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[yupikgirl]

O/T...Ha...got everything in the pot to make cranberry sauce, waiting for it to boil. I forgot to turn the stove on!!

HA Oh my gosh!


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[BUF]

Very good points. When I️ say I️ prefer they give him death—I️ literally meant just that—“they” give him death because like I️ said I’m not sure I️ could. I️ know I’m definitely open to considering it and this case is exactly why.

I’ve never had to make the choice either, thankfully. My sister and her husband did a few years ago. His sister was murdered with her young child sleeping next to her trying to defend himself and her (he was 9 he survived and was able to get out to the house and get help).

Her brother, my sisters husband, was her only other surviving relative besides her son and when it came to the trial/ sentencing etc. they opted for life without parole to spare her son just what you described.


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So sorry to hear that!

 

[cvaldez1975]

agree. plus death row is nicer and safer.

Honestly, I am one of those that are on the fence about the DP. Although I do feel that this is appropriate for cases as this that four people were brutally murdered, and especially with a child in the house who was forced to live with the dead bodies afterwards, I also look at the totality of the years ahead. All of the appeals that happen and the families' constant reliving their devastation in a legal forum, having to hear the rights of the convicted murderer, not allowing them to try to move forward...even up to the time 'so many years' ahead when an execution date has been set, appeals go on until the very end. I think it is really up to what the families of these victims want to see justice for their loved ones horrible demise...fortunately, I have never had to make this decision.

 

[BUF]

Verdict reached... no one in courtroom yet

 

[BUF]

AM coming in

 

[yupikgirl]

No sound for me yet but he is talking to someone. (Adam)

It’s the lady sitting in the front row on the end.

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