GUILTY FL - Voncile Smith, 77, & two sons brutally murdered, Pensacola, 28 July 2015 *Arrest*

[tlcya]

This case and the sheriff's statements regarding the crime involving witchcraft only serve to show how much fear driven confusion still exists about earth based religions.

I look forward to hearing the real story behind these killings.

 

[Willow Knight]

This case and the sheriff's statements regarding the crime involving witchcraft only serve to show how much fear driven confusion still exists about earth based religions.

I look forward to hearing the real story behind these killings.

A lot of common sense in your statement. Does the average person actually believe pagan and wiccan beliefs are based on evil? Your choice of words "earth based religions" shows an understanding of what our beliefs are all about. Nature and creation. A family is murdered, every life is so sacred, every life matters. We need to understand why these crimes are committed, can any of these crime be prevented? We need to stay on focus and LE needs to be more responsible in this particular case.

 

[tlcya]

the basic precept for Wiccan belief structure is "harm none" IME

Many people do not have even that basic understanding, many still see witchcraft more like popular movies have portrayed it since movies have been made.

To reiterate. JMO - This will end up being someone highly disturbed individual similar to that sicko who called himself pazuzu algarads and buried the bodies of his victims in his backyard. Either that or someone who wanted it to appear to be the boogeyman who killed this family and set the scene to appear to be something ritualistic.

 

[Keefer]

As posited above it is entirely possible that the crime scene was staged in order to appear to be something it's not.
It's also entirely possible that it was a ritualistic killing of some sort.
who knows?
If it was staged wouldn't be easier to make it look like a robbery or crime of passion?
Doubtful that it was random though. Who would randomly kill these three and then stage it to look like an esoteric ritual event?

 

[Cappuccino]

As posited above it is entirely possible that the crime scene was staged in order to appear to be something it's not.
It's also entirely possible that it was a ritualistic killing of some sort.
who knows?
If it was staged wouldn't be easier to make it look like a robbery or crime of passion?
Doubtful that it was random though. Who would randomly kill these three and then stage it to look like an esoteric ritual event?

I don't accept that it was staged to look like an esoteric ritual event, IMO the sheriff just read that into the crime scene himself. The dead giveaway is his statement that the murder took place a few days before a blue moon. That's classic Satanic Panic fallacy - find a date on or around the date of a murder, attach some supposed occult significance to it, and hey presto its a ritual murder. Of course you can apply that fallacy to every date in the calendar, and therefore to any murder.

In reality, blue moons have no significance to Wiccans or Satanists or any other branch of the occult I've ever heard of. And although some Wiccan rituals are connected to the full moon, even those have to be done on the day of the full moon itself and not three days before.

 

[bluesneakers]

My computer froze and posted the same thing over and over. My apologies.

 

[bluesneakers]

This case and the sheriff's statements regarding the crime involving witchcraft only serve to show how much fear driven confusion still exists about earth based religions.

I look forward to hearing the real story behind these killings.

I look forward to hearing this sheriff's apology, and maybe admitting to his own prejudice and ignorance.

 

[flourish]

I look forward to hearing this sheriff's apology, and maybe admitting to his own prejudice and ignorance.

Don't hold your breath, friend.

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[Tony1902]

I'm sure there are enough practicing Santeria brujos or brujas & even Haitian obeah &/or manbos to help LE. Conjuring is easy to spot when one knows what to look for. Wiccan?? Jeez, how lame. Last ditch attempt of the religiously confused.

 

[wfgodot]

My computer froze and posted the same thing over and over. My apologies.

I've been doing essentially the same thing for years, lol.

 

[Tony1902]

I've been doing essentially the same thing for years, lol.

I thought just us Luddites did this?!

 

[Tony1902]

Show me the crime scene & I'll give you my point. Educated as it is. And yes, we are too ridiculous of the Satanic fallacy. IF Saran truly cared, we would live in Carmel, not in Welsh. Louisiana .

 

[Tony1902]

Which lets you know what little people know of Wicca, Vodun, Hoodoo, Santeria, etc.

 

[Willow Knight]

I don't feel right posting about what this sheriff has done to my community in a thread that should be focused on this poor family. I'll alert a mod to see if there should be another place to be posting.

I, along with others have been threatened. It's not fun trying to sleep at night when you've been told that day "they hope my house doesn't burn". People believe what they read in the paper, and it takes one little old lady to declare she read it in the paper, the police said it was the pagans doing a ritual. And the response from the Pensacola Commissioner was the most unprofessional and ignorant response I've ever heard. I look at the WM3 in a new light now.

 

[Sillybilly]

You cannot sleuth the victims on websleuths and the poi that has been mentioned by le has not been named. So good luck figuring this one out.

<rsbm>

To clarify:

We can discuss victim actions and behaviors, just not in a way that is considered victim blaming or bashing UNLESS LE indicates they are somehow responsible for what happened to them.

We do NOT sleuth surviving family members. They are also to be considered victims unless/until we are told otherwise by LE.

 

[Cappuccino]

I don't feel right posting about what this sheriff has done to my community in a thread that should be focused on this poor family. I'll alert a mod to see if there should be another place to be posting.

I, along with others have been threatened. It's not fun trying to sleep at night when you've been told that day "they hope my house doesn't burn". People believe what they read in the paper, and it takes one little old lady to declare she read it in the paper, the police said it was the pagans doing a ritual. And the response from the Pensacola Commissioner was the most unprofessional and ignorant response I've ever heard. I look at the WM3 in a new light now.

This post just shows how dangerous it is for LE officers, or any authority figure, to propagate ignorant ideas about Wicca or any minority religion. People take them seriously and start persecuting not only actual members of that religion but also anyone who fits into their idea of what a Wiccan looks like. So its probably not a good time to be a goth or a heavy metal fan in Pensacola!

I just hope the case is solved quickly and the murderer brought to justice.

 

[Willow Knight]

I'm curious about the POI. Can gun residue be completely washed off?

I would think that crime scene would have left a lot of evidence, and a person of interest in custody (interviewed) would give LE plenty of DNA, correct? Sure hope this case is fully investigated. However if a suspect is arrested that has no ties to a ritual, the public comments made by LE are going to be very helpful to the defense.

77 years old, gosh that is cruel. This person/s needs to be off the streets.

PS: I don't look goth or wear black. I'm just an ordinary person.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

I don't accept that it was staged to look like an esoteric ritual event, IMO the sheriff just read that into the crime scene himself.

Oh, I'm 99% sure that's the case. My random offbeat thought was that IF (big if) there WAS anything occult-y about the scenario, which remains to be seen but about which I'm highly skeptical, I wouldn't be surprised if it was clumsily staged in some way, possibly by someone of a similar "Them weirdos is skerry!" mindset as the sheriff.

I think it's most likely the murderer was someone who knew them, was angry and/or had something to gain from their deaths. Whether they tried to stage afterward is anyone's guess. So, I was guessin'.

The dead giveaway is his statement that the murder took place a few days before a blue moon. That's classic Satanic Panic fallacy - find a date on or around the date of a murder, attach some supposed occult significance to it, and hey presto its a ritual murder. Of course you can apply that fallacy to every date in the calendar, and therefore to any murder. ... In reality, blue moons have no significance to Wiccans or Satanists or any other branch of the occult I've ever heard of.

Exactly. I made that point earlier re: blue moons.

And if someone wants to attach occult significance to a date (esp. with several days' leeway), well... between solstices, equinoxes, cross-quarter days (May Day, Halloween, etc.), plus new and half and full moons, you've pretty much got the whole year covered. It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic and/or troubling.

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't accept that it was staged to look like an esoteric ritual event, IMO the sheriff just read that into the crime scene himself. The dead giveaway is his statement that the murder took place a few days before a blue moon. That's classic Satanic Panic fallacy - find a date on or around the date of a murder, attach some supposed occult significance to it, and hey presto its a ritual murder. Of course you can apply that fallacy to every date in the calendar, and therefore to any murder.

In reality, blue moons have no significance to Wiccans or Satanists or any other branch of the occult I've ever heard of. And although some Wiccan rituals are connected to the full moon, even those have to be done on the day of the full moon itself and not three days before.

Maybe to him it looked like the first season of True Detective.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

As posited above it is entirely possible that the crime scene was staged in order to appear to be something it's not.
It's also entirely possible that it was a ritualistic killing of some sort.
who knows?
If it was staged wouldn't be easier to make it look like a robbery or crime of passion?

I had been wondering about the possibility of staging, especially if this was done by someone who knew them well and stood to profit off their deaths.

Crime of passion seems unlikely with a 77 year old mother and two middle aged sons who lived with their mother.

Robbery seems a likelier staging, unless the person who did this had a financial motive and thought s/he was being crafty by not taking any valuables from the home.