GUILTY FL - Wayne Treacy for savage beating of 15yo girl, Deerfield Beach, 17 March 2010

[kbl8201]

kbl--I in no way intimated that this boy was psychotic. If anything he has major thinking errors (and that's a poor label for a tremendously huge disability) and problems with rage --both known to occur in children with minimal brain damage--caused by prenatal drug exposure, constant stress of living around violence, and trauma.

And I just don't under stand how you "know" this isn't true about this boy. Are you going on conjecture, as we all are?

im going by him texting he was gonna break her damn neck...thats what im going by. i dont care what his anger issues are. i have anger issues. you probably do too, i wasnt exposed to pre natal drug abuse but i had severe mental abuse, i didnt find my suicided brother but i found my dead grandfather.......i never dreamed in a million years of doing what this piece of garbage did

i've seen everything in this thread, blaming the girl herself for the comment about the brother, blaming the other girl for setting her up........(she does bare responsibility) but he chose his actions, no onelse.

and im using 'conjecture' based on facts of the case, not on 'what ifs' or 'he could have'

 

[jjenny]

im going by him texting he was gonna break her damn neck...thats what im going by. i dont care what his anger issues are. i have anger issues. you probably do too, i wasnt exposed to pre natal drug abuse but i had severe mental abuse, i didnt find my suicided brother but i found my dead grandfather.......i never dreamed in a million years of doing what this piece of garbage did

ITA. I couldn't care less what his "anger issues" are either. By the way, I am sure you've noticed that nowdays nobody behaves badly-it's some disorder, disease, addiction, and the person who behaves badly is never to blame.
He/she needs to be treated, helped, etc, instead of punished. He/she has got this, has got that, nothing is his or her fault.
No wonder children behave the way they do with that kind of attitude, IMO.

 

[Vegas Bride]

Why in the world would a young teen boy in Fl even have steel toed boots?

It takes a while to pull your boots on and ride a bike 3 miles. He texted others to tell them what he was planning to do. IMO this is as premeditated as it can get. If he's doing this at 15, what's he going to do when he's 21-25 years old?

I get upset with other people at times, right now I have a couple of co-workers that are about as hateful as can be, when I was 16 I lost a brother (may be suicide, may not) I have not tried to stomp anyone to death.
If she was telling him to leave the 13yo alone I'm thinking that's what he was raging about, and grabbing onto her mentioning his brother as an excuse, he was already wanting to bash her head in.

VB

 

[Melly53]

I get the impression from the brother committing suicide supposedly over the break up of his marriage and the younger brother almost killing a girl he did not even know over a text message, that neither one of these brothers had learned ANY kind of coping skills. This is one thing that responsible parents try to help their children learn which IMO did not happen in this case. People have to deal with life and all the crap that goes with it, and hopefully respond in a reasonable manner to adverse situations which is a learned skill.

 

[Melly53]

Why in the world would a young teen boy in Fl even have steel toed boots?

It takes a while to pull your boots on and ride a bike 3 miles. He texted others to tell them what he was planning to do. IMO this is as premeditated as it can get. If he's doing this at 15, what's he going to do when he's 21-25 years old?

I get upset with other people at times, right now I have a couple of co-workers that are about as hateful as can be, when I was 16 I lost a brother (may be suicide, may not) I have not tried to stomp anyone to death.
If she was telling him to leave the 13yo alone I'm thinking that's what he was raging about, and grabbing onto her mentioning his brother as an excuse, he was already wanting to bash her head in.

VB

I wondered about the boots myself because I find it hard to believe they would be the footwear of choice in hot, humid south Florida unless they were a necessity for work or something. That is until I read in the comments section below one of the articles someone saying that the "gang wanabe's" in that area used the expression "kick em until the timbers run red". Timbers meaning steel-toe Timberland boots. It seems that Treacy did just that in this situation.

 

[momof7]

I also think he should be charged as an adult. While I understand he has 'issues' the reality is that nowadays every little thing has a diagnosis. I have a dd who has been labeled ADD/ODD. While she is not violent, she is impulsive. But, we have had great medical professionals and really it is more about 'parenting' than the label. We had to be better parents in order to help her think clearly etc.

One thing about the parents though, they may have gone the counseling route, and I surely hope they did..how traumatic to find your brother dead from suicide. But, they couldn't make him talk when he got there and the professional couldn't help him if he didn't.

Prayers for the girl and her family. It sure doesn't look good and seems like more than one life was changed today.

Kelly

 

[Muffet]

We also cannot discount the fact that a huge number of children are being exposed to heavy duty psychotropics during their mother's pregnancies. This has been going on for the last 15-20 years and picking up speed--Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Welbutrin, Lithium, Depakoke, Lamictal, Seroquel and so on. We don't know what's happening to these forming brains. Doctors can't even tell us what the long term effects on the people using the drugs will be.

Add in family break ups, suicide, rage, fluctuating hormones (which are known to cause changes in the way the brain chemistry reacts), spectrum disorders and Conduct Disorder growing exponentially (poor social skills and frequent mis-reading of boundaries) and poor hard wiring and you get violence.

I'd really appreciate it if you would all stop and think for a moment at how dramatically a human brain can be changed by a stroke or the onset of Alzheimer's. That's the tremendous danger that I've been talking about. A person with Alzheimer's can be kind and responsible one month and degenerate into a violent, profane, primitive or regressed state. Think about what is brewing in the malleable brains of our young kids.

Please, take a couple of hours to read "The Primal Teen". I honestly think you will have your eyes opened.

I'm aware of these implications (many years of formal ed in it and then some), but I've also learned that medicalizing behavioral problems is too often a source of distraction and excuse-making, however well-meaning the motive.

Consider the fact that other possible diagnoses you could add to your list would be past drug abuse, psychopathy, sociopathy, narcissistic, or antisocial personality disorder...

Would those compel us to respond to their behaviors with any more understanding or taking time to consider before judging?

No... All these dx's are good to know and useful to those who are attempting to treat the person, but to focus on them so much sends a dangerous message and creates handy distractions and excuses for criminals (some yet to do the crime) and defense attorneys, as we see every day.

And as has been noted, while we see far too many crimes like this, we do not see them even close to the scale we would see if the problems with this kid were as commonplace as those you've listed.

As fascinating as I too find psych/neurobiology, I would propose that the most obvious explanation for the kid's inhumane response to being offended is much more mundane, as it is found in his upbringing. As the latest article says:

Both his mother, Donna Powers, and his father, Wayne Parker Treacy, have criminal records.His father has been arrested 48 times according to Florida Department of Law Enforcement records. He has been in and out of prison for the past two decades on offenses ranging from drug dealing to weapons charges.​

JMO, but I think our country would be better off if we focused more on responsible parenting and personal accountability and less on interesting DSM labels and other stuff.

:twocents:

 

[nanny1]

This boy beat a"girl"nearly to death. What ever happened to the teaching of a boy never hitting a girl ?? What ever happened to self control ?? When some of us brought up our children they were taught their are boundaries and consequences. Now a days kids are allowed to run amuck and have abosolutely no respect. Violence in the schools is out of control. Alot of parents today want to be their children's friends instead of their parents. When some of us were bringing up our children and they grew into teenager's and got into mischief we disciplined them and they learned their were consequences. Now adays instead of discipline they are giving a diagnosis and an excuse for what they do.. There is absolutely no excuse for what this boy did to this girl..None !! He went to that school with steel toed boots to do one thing. To Kill..He is a Bully and a Coward !!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[Stoshie]

A series of texts followed, back and forth between Ratley and Treacy. At one point, Manson saw them. Then Ratley sent a comment about the suicide of Treacy's older brother last year.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/19/1537562/girl-accused-of-aiding-attack.html#ixzz0igmNpmtp

According to this article the 13 year old, Manson, saw the text messages exchanged between Ratley and Treacy, after which the comment about the suicide was made. This backs up my theory that it may not have been Ratley that sent the message but the younger girl that did it, and then let Ratley take the blame when she saw how angry Treacy was. JMO
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I have had the same thought running through my head.

I have also seen some comments on these articles saying that Ratley and Treacy were dating (even seeing an ABC news video saying he was the ex-boyfriend). With what information that is being released, it is hard to tell what the relationships are here.

Here is the video link:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/teen-girl-hospitalized-alleged-attack-10148898

 

[Stoshie]

Well, now it seems that many articles are calling him her ex-boyfriend. Hard to tell, the stories keep changing.

 

[2goldfish]

im going by him texting he was gonna break her damn neck...thats what im going by. i dont care what his anger issues are. i have anger issues. you probably do too, i wasnt exposed to pre natal drug abuse but i had severe mental abuse, i didnt find my suicided brother but i found my dead grandfather.......i never dreamed in a million years of doing what this piece of garbage did

i've seen everything in this thread, blaming the girl herself for the comment about the brother, blaming the other girl for setting her up........(she does bare responsibility) but he chose his actions, no onelse.

and im using 'conjecture' based on facts of the case, not on 'what ifs' or 'he could have'

BBM

for the record, that is not what I said what I said was, when I learned about the comment, with my own personal knowledge of suicide on teens, I wondered if that was the only thing that could have driven him that far. I did not say that it was all right that he did it, I did not say that he should not pay for his actions, and I did not say that no matter what the comment was, that she deserved to be beaten almost to death.

I also did not mean for anyone to read into that as me "blaming the victim".

 

[BOZGAL]

This boy beat a"girl"nearly to death. What ever happened to the teaching of a boy never hitting a girl ?? What ever happened to self control ?? When some of us brought up our children they were taught their are boundaries and consequences. Now a days kids are allowed to run amuck and have abosolutely no respect. Violence in the schools is out of control. Alot of parents today want to be their children's friends instead of their parents. When some of us were bringing up our children and they grew into teenager's and got into mischief we disciplined them and they learned their were consequences. Now adays instead of discipline they are giving a diagnosis and an excuse for what they do.. There is absolutely no excuse for what this boy did to this girl..None !! He went to that school with steel toed boots to do one thing. To Kill..He is a Bully and a Coward !!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

ITA
Nanny this is such a different day and time we are living in now. But from a personal observation it is quite obvious many parents are not taking their role seriously or responsibly. I see it when going out in public, I see it when reading about these horrendous crimes, and just the general attitute I've witnessed in children & younger people. This was not the way I was raised. Your values are formed in your younger years and they follow you until the day you die. Alot of people have suffered traumas as children and do not commit crimes like this. On the contrary, many times it makes them stronger and better people. While I am sure there are some with predisposed medical/mental issues it is not always the case. I do not see it at all here. This case screams premeditation and meaness. I pray Josie makes it.

JMO

 

[Melly53]

I have had the same thought running through my head.

I have also seen some comments on these articles saying that Ratley and Treacy were dating (even seeing an ABC news video saying he was the ex-boyfriend). With what information that is being released, it is hard to tell what the relationships are here.

Here is the video link:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/teen-girl-hospitalized-alleged-attack-10148898

I think the articles saying they were ex-boyfriend/girlfriend are wrong. If it were true, then he would not have needed her to be pointed out to him by the 13 year old because he would have known exactly what she looked like.

Other reports say that the 13 year old was his ex-girlfriend and she was supposedly "best friends" with Josie. That was why Josie had allowed her to use her cell phone. When they broke up he contacted Josie through her cell phone in an attempt to contact the 13 year old ex-girlfriend. Josie seemingly did not approve of his relationship with the younger girl and supposedly told him so during the texting session that ultimately ended in her being severely and brutally beaten by Treacy.

IMO Treacy is an extremely angry teenager with absolutely ZERO self control which makes him extremely dangerous. From what the Sheriff said and from what I saw in the video of Treacy in court, he shows absolutely no remorse for what he has done, which tells me that he does not even understand that he is the one in the wrong. All you have to do is look at the pictures of him after his arrest and in court to see that he is still very, very ANGRY because it is written all over his face! IMO he came from a very disfunctional family and is a dysfunctional by-product of his home environment.

The only person I feel sorry for in this situation is Josie. My thoughts and prayers are with her and her family. The real truth may never be known because if Josie survives then it is highly unlikely that she will have any memory of the event.

 

[jjenny]

I have had the same thought running through my head.

I have also seen some comments on these articles saying that Ratley and Treacy were dating (even seeing an ABC news video saying he was the ex-boyfriend). With what information that is being released, it is hard to tell what the relationships are here.

Here is the video link:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/teen-girl-hospitalized-alleged-attack-10148898

He and Josie have never met in person before. He was either the boyfriend or the ex-boyfriend (according to some articles) of the 13 year old. The 13 year old is charged for pointing Josie out to him, which would make zero sense if he and Josie actually knew each other.
http://cbs4.com/local/Josie.Ratley.Wayne.2.1574720.html

 

[Stoshie]

It seems that the rumor mill has fellow students saying that they were dating.

The articles that I was reading were more recent (dated 3/19), so I was wondering if this was just more accurate info coming out.

I have also read the articles stating that the 13 year old is the ex-girlfriend and also that she is the girlfriend of Treacy.

 

[jjenny]

It seems that the rumor mill has fellow students saying that they were dating.

The articles that I was reading were more recent (dated 3/19), so I was wondering if this was just more accurate info coming out.

I have also read the articles stating that the 13 year old is the ex-girlfriend and also that she is the girlfriend of Treacy.

Again, the 13 year old would not be charged for pointing Josie out to Treacy if Josie and Treacy knew each other. So if there is a rumor mill among the students the rumor mill is clearly wrong.

 

[Missizzy]

I am not about to ask anyone to agree with me. I am simply reporting what I live with and see every single day of my life. I closed early last night as I was dealing with a son who is stalking...me. I spent the night, alone (as my family is on a vacation) with a police car across the street. I have no front door lock (due to regulations for special needs foster care/new state rules). It was not a restful night.

This is a young man who has been arrested three times for staling 2 young women and one who is ten years older than him (she made the mistake of hugging him at a shelter).

Let me tell you about this 19 year old. He was born to a meth using mom and dad. Both were carnival workers and have long rap sheets. He was the fourth son born to them (meth is known to affect each subsequent male child more profoundly). He has a normal IQ but is diagnosed with Oppositional Defiant Disorder and Conduct Disorder (which will most likely be changed to Anti-social Disorder now that he's an adult. He was deemed to not be able to benefit from therapy but requires management of his behavior as he has no internal controls. The diagnoses were not sought for any other reason than to try to best serve his needs through medication and to design a behavioral milieu at home and at school.

He was removed from his mother's care at age 8 months when police found her "hot-boxing" with him. He came to our family at the age of 2 1/2 as he had head-butted a little girl in foster care and seriously hurt her. Not long after being placed with us, he was removed from the YMCA play program as he was head-butting and kicking other children.

He was adorable but the hardest child I've ever raised and that is saying something. He attacked his principal with a large stick in Kindergarten and then wanted him to play basketball with him. He shoved a little girl who cut in line in front of him in second grade. When she fell to the ground, he stomped on her head. He got mad at her because she "got blood on his new tennis shoes".

We tried every medication. A few took the edge off but nothing changed the fact that he could not control his impulses, emotions, or reactions. He has no grasp whatsoever on consequences or the effects of his own behavior. Because he is now an adult, he has no insurance and thus is unmedicated.

I am a very gentle but firm mother. I do not yell. I know better than to ever "set anyone off". I spent 16 years creatively working hard everyday to turn this kid around. Every other member of our family did also. He was in a special behavioral class and had a full time aid attached to his hip at school. To be able to attend the Boy's and Girl's Club, we had to pay for an aid to keep him away from other children.

He's broken my pelvis and given me two concussions after knocking my unconscious. The last time was when I confronted him about writing another "stalking" letter to a young lady he had a "No Contact" order against. He got up off his bed and punched the daylights out of me. I fell backwards on concrete and hit my head so hard I needed stitches. Do you know what he did? He stomped on my hand and broke my finger after he stepped over me. His Dad knows better than to try to stop him (even though he's twice his size) so he just called the police and our son was arrested.

He laughed and made jokes with the police officer and never once asked how I was. He was very ticked that we didn't visit him in lock-up for a couple of days.

On his 18th birthday, my eldest son drove him to Portland to live at a special shelter for at-risk youth. He was kicked out. He has lived in 7 different shelters this last year and gotten kicked out of all of them. Two churches have brought together a collection to buy him bus tickets to other cities. He even located his birth mother but assaulted her so seriously after she confronted him for stealing money, that he was arrested.

So, he decided he wanted to see our dogs yesterday and hitch-hiked home. Believe it or not, he can be charming and is kind to animals and small children. However, I do not feel safe around him, especially now that I'm bed bound and I was alone so I declined. He called elder siblings and wanted to see their children. They declined. He became escalated and my eldest son finally called the police. I think the police are just going to pay for him to go to another town.

What's my point?

The boy was born predisposed to this type of violence. He could very well be the attacker in this current horrid case. It would not surprise me in the least. Does my son/ this boy deserve the full weight of the law? Of course they do. I am, in no way whatsoever, attempting to minimize or excuse this wicked act. I am just trying to point out that this young man's brain most likely did not "snap". He's been brewing for a long long time. All one needs to do is to look at his family and their history. I know some will say that they've risen above "history" such as this. That's cause for celebration and great pride, in my opinion. But some people don't have the ability to rise above. Their brains just do not work the way that ours do.

My point is that if we don't do something about the degeneration of our children's brains, we're going to have to clean up these messes again and again and again. People will be killed and families destroyed. There's far more work to do than just calling this young man a monster and locking him away for life. That's the easy part.

The hard part is preventing these actions from happening again--preventing the births of a sub-society of criminals with faulty hard wiring. We also have to work tirelessly to develop laws which allow us to act with some level of pro-activity rather than merely mopping up the blood.

Pay attention to your state's budget on Head Start, early intervention, youth programs, special education, diversion, family services, psychiatric services for youth without insurance, in-patient hospitals and group homes for mentally ill teens. Open the paper today and read how our young people are bearing the brunt of this economy as their brains are developing NOW. There's not a single second to waste. I don't have the answers but I know we need to work fast to come up with some.

My prayers go out to this young girl and to her family.

 

[bugaboo]

Such a heartbreaking and frustrating story, Missizzy. It's clear that something was wrong with his wiring from the get-go, with the parents' meth use and all. I do, respectfully, feel that it is the exception, albeit a growing exception.

I suppose we'll see more stories coming soon, but it doesn't sound like this boy had a history of serious violent behavior. Granted, he has been through a traumatic experience with his brother's suicide, but could that have been enough for him to concoct and follow through with such a horrific crime? I'm not sure.

I work for a police department, and cannot count the number of parents that will make up excuse after excuse for their children's behavior, starting from a young age. Vandalism, hitting classmates, disrespecting adults, then moving on to larceny, drinking, burglaries, etc. They get the kid a lawyer, immediately want to attack the officers and speak to the Chief about this, as it is always some grave injustice to their precious angel. It is beyond frustrating to watch this.

I don't know what the answer is, but parental responsibility is certainly a huge step forward.

On another note, steel-toed work boots are pretty common. A lot of the kids I knew that wore jeans and work boots were into metal, punk music, or worked on farms or with motorcycles, etc. You can find work boots (CAT, Timberland, Magnum, etc) that look exactly the same, except one is steel-toed. Just wanted to point out that they are not always used as a weapon, but just might be his normal attire.

 

[cluciano63]

Such a heartbreaking and frustrating story, Missizzy. It's clear that something was wrong with his wiring from the get-go, with the parents' meth use and all. I do, respectfully, feel that it is the exception, albeit a growing exception.

I suppose we'll see more stories coming soon, but it doesn't sound like this boy had a history of serious violent behavior. Granted, he has been through a traumatic experience with his brother's suicide, but could that have been enough for him to concoct and follow through with such a horrific crime? I'm not sure.

I work for a police department, and cannot count the number of parents that will make up excuse after excuse for their children's behavior, starting from a young age. Vandalism, hitting classmates, disrespecting adults, then moving on to larceny, drinking, burglaries, etc. They get the kid a lawyer, immediately want to attack the officers and speak to the Chief about this, as it is always some grave injustice to their precious angel. It is beyond frustrating to watch this.
I don't know what the answer is, but parental responsibility is certainly a huge step forward.

On another note, steel-toed work boots are pretty common. A lot of the kids I knew that wore jeans and work boots were into metal, punk music, or worked on farms or with motorcycles, etc. You can find work boots (CAT, Timberland, Magnum, etc) that look exactly the same, except one is steel-toed. Just wanted to point out that they are not always used as a weapon, but just might be his normal attire.

This says it all, i think...we live in a country where we do not accept responsibility for our actions, instead always filing lawsuits when something happens to us as a result of something we have done...and kids learn from adults that nothing is ever our own fault. If we dump hot coffee on lap while driving, we sue about the coffee...etc...these same adults suing everyone are raising kids and of course the kids are never at fault...
I think this teenager is just another violent-prone, self-centered, it's all about me teen who acts only on what he/she wants at that moment. I am sure by court time, we will see a cleaned-up altar boy in a shirt and tie and have to hear about his brother's suicide as a trigger, whether or not he had any relationship with this brother or not.
If this girl lives, I can't imagine she won't be brain damaged...attempted murder does not sound harsh enough for this crime...

 

[LogicalMinds]

I have been very upset with the Michael Brewer case and now this...

such a senseless tragedy....I am very glad that in Florida they will probably be charged as adults

I don't know what the answer is...so many questions

the kid in this case seems to come from a very troubled background...dad in and out of jail and prison...brother committed suicide

I keep thinking that we really need some sort of interventions, more mental health funding....some way to touch people like this?? Ironically he may finally get to know his dad if they are in the same prison once he reaches "adult" age