FLDS compound in Texas Court proceedings ONLY please!!!!!

[Leila]

Above is a picture of the line waiting to get into the courthouse in Tom Green County, Texas.

 

[mollymalone]

"even if allegations of abuse can only be proven against a few kids, the entire group may face the same outcome. "The state is now in a situation where it knows of abuse," explained Princeton Law Professor, Marci Hamilton.
"If they were to send these children back, it will be liable for the abuse that occurs."

 

[Floh]

The poster that starts a thread can edit the title for 24 hours after it was started.

Thanks adnoid.i never knew that.

 

[Floh]

Above is a picture of the line waiting to get into the courthouse in Tom Green County, Texas.

OMG!

 

[mollymalone]

RE:the FLDS complaints about children being ripped from them with no explanations etc.. the claims they are making even today.

"That is not how the chaplain who was with them in state custody remembers it. "It was not the process that has been presented in terms of children being ripped out of their mothers arms and hysteria," stated Gene Grounds, with Victim Relief Ministries. "None of that happened."

http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/17852469.html

 

[Floh]

RE:the FLDS complaints about children being ripped from them with no explanations etc.. the claims they are making even today.

"That is not how the chaplain who was with them in state custody remembers it. "It was not the process that has been presented in terms of children being ripped out of their mothers arms and hysteria," stated Gene Grounds, with Victim Relief Ministries. "None of that happened."

http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/17852469.html

Of course it didn't. i'm convinced the authorities had their ducks in a row!

 

[Leila]

RE:the FLDS complaints about children being ripped from them with no explanations etc.. the claims they are making even today.

"That is not how the chaplain who was with them in state custody remembers it. "It was not the process that has been presented in terms of children being ripped out of their mothers arms and hysteria," stated Gene Grounds, with Victim Relief Ministries. "None of that happened."

http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/17852469.html

I'm sure the mothers that agreed to media interviews were coached and told to make it dramatic. But, they didn't know that the American public isn't that gullible.

 

[Leila]

OMG!

That was just the line getting into the courthouse. I wonder what it was like inside - the line trying to get into the courtroom. And, what about the other cases being heard today in other courtrooms? I don't envy the citizen who had a small claims case before another judge in that courthouse today.

 

[Hopeful One]

Of course it didn't. i'm convinced the authorities had their ducks in a row!

Me too. I can't see it happening the way the mothers describe it.

 

[Glow]

Glow, when we have a forum for this case we can set up a thread or two discussing the attack upon civil liberties. if you have read me much on this thread you will know i'm 100% behind rescuing the children (from every FLDS compound/town/home if warranted), but i really DO hear you and, if you knew me personally, you'd understand me to be just about the most paranoid person alive regarding freedom of/FROM government in our lives.
we can and will examine civil liberties and what all this could crushingly mean to every day people when we get the forum. :blowkiss:

I would definitely be interested in that Floh, thanks! Do you think that starting a thread would be better than talking here? Or maybe using the old thread #3?

Glow, Glow, Glow....I thought we were having a great discussion earlier on these threads, and then you abandoned me !!!! Where'd ya go? :waitasec:

I guees it did appear that way...nothing personal though barb! You have always been kind and reasonable and a joy to talk to, even when we dont agree. :blowkiss: I keep waiting for a calm moment to post. A moment when the fervor of "GD Those Bad FLDS people" has run its course, and maybe some posters would want to discuss what this all really means. I dont think today with the court proceedings going on OR on this thread is probably the best place ot time to do that. Maybe on the other thread would be better. What do you think? :waitasec:

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I would definitely be interested in that Floh, thanks! Do you think that starting a thread would be better than talking here? Or maybe using the old thread #3?



I guees it did appear that way...nothing personal though barb! You have always been kind and reasonable and a joy to talk to, even when we dont agree. :blowkiss: I keep waiting for a calm moment to post. A moment when the fervor of "GD Those Bad FLDS people" has run its course, and maybe some posters would want to discuss what this all really means. I dont think today with the court proceedings going on OR on this thread is probably the best place ot time to do that. Maybe on the other thread would be better. What do you think? :waitasec:

Can we do it in # 3 thread please?? Trying to keep this for court proceedings only!

 

[barb0301]

I would definitely be interested in that Floh, thanks! Do you think that starting a thread would be better than talking here? Or maybe using the old thread #3?



I guees it did appear that way...nothing personal though barb! You have always been kind and reasonable and a joy to talk to, even when we dont agree. :blowkiss: I keep waiting for a calm moment to post. A moment when the fervor of "GD Those Bad FLDS people" has run its course, and maybe some posters would want to discuss what this all really means. I dont think today with the court proceedings going on OR on this thread is probably the best place ot time to do that. Maybe on the other thread would be better. What do you think? :waitasec:

I think they are going to open a whole forum for this topic. Maybe then, an entire thread on "Civil Liberties" would be a good idea?

:blowkiss: back at 'cha

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

3:09 p.m. - A Child Protective Services supervisor takes the stand. She was one of the primary supervisors assigned to work on the YFZ Ranch case.
About 11:32 p.m. March 29, officials received a report, the supervisor says before an objection cuts her off.
An attorney objects to the CPS supervisor reading from documents if they're not submitted into evidence.
Walther overrules him.
The supervisor continues, saying a 16-year-old at YFZ Ranch reported abuse.
When the department receives a report, it is routed to the appropriate investigator, the supervisor says under questioning from the state.
Concerns came up that this case would be more than one investigator could handle, the supervisor says. A great number of children could be involved.
The normal procedure is to interview every member of a household, the supervisor said.
At first, 12 caseworkers were assigned to go to the YFZ Ranch.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

3:20 p.m. - The CPS supervisor continues testimony: She went to the YFZ Ranch about 9 p.m. April 3. The team included herself and at least six investigators or special investigators, as well as two other CPS staff members.
Also along were law enforcement officers, including some from the Schleicher County Sheriff's Office and the Texas Rangers.
The supervisor asked to come into the compound and discuss reports of abuse.
Law-enforcement officers told ranch residents they were there to see a child named Sarah.
"The men shook their heads and said there were no Sarahs living at the ranch," the supervisor tells the court.
So the investigators asked to come in and talk to the other children. They noticed a guard tower as tall as the courtroom, the supervisor said.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/17/live-from-the-courthouse-updates-on-flds-custody/

 

[mollymalone]

At that same link!

Outside the courthouse, a television reporter asks William Jessop, who says he is an FLDS member, what he would say to his children. He replies, "Keep sweet and come home."

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

3:45 p.m., SCHLEICHER COUNTY - Two Houston attorneys - Jason Castaneda and Damiane Curbey Danieh - are leaving the YFZ Ranch after meeting the mothers of their new ad litem clients being held in San Angelo.
Castaneda says, speaking of the court proceedings: "We expected it to be quicker."
Danieh says, "They we unable to get to the real issue of probable cause."
Danieh also notes: "Parents did not receive a copy of petition for removal, which is a big issue."
The two say they went to the ranch in part to see for themselves whether allegations that the children had been living in unhealthy conditions were true.
They were not, both say.
Another shortcoming in the state's case, Danieh says, is the lack of the 16-year-old whose complaint launched the entire case. Without the girl or further proof of allegations, she says, CPS doesn't have much of a case. The two say they are flying back to Houston tonight. They'll be back when their young clients have a court date, they say.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

3:50 p.m., TOM GREEN COUNTY COURTHOUSE - The CPS supervisor continues to testify about the raid April 3 on the YFZ Ranch:
The FLDS men bring 15 girls to be interviewed, five at a time by the five investigators. The other girls stay in the waiting room where FLDS men are.
The supervisor begins to hear about various Sarahs.
The supervisor came to the ranch looking for a girl named Sarah who is about 5 feet, 4 inches tall, 16 years old and mother of a baby.
During the interviews, CPS investigators hear about five Sarahs, although two or three could have been the same person, the supervisor said.
It begins to come out that the households generally consist of one man, "the father," who is a "husband" with several "wives" and father of all the children in the home.
The investigators learn that one Sarah who has been at the ranch is 16 and has a baby, the supervisor said. The girls being interviewed have seen her the past week at the ranch but don't know where she is.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/17/live-from-the-courthouse-updates-on-flds-custody/

 

[mollymalone]

3:45 p.m., SCHLEICHER COUNTY - Two Houston attorneys - Jason Castaneda and Damiane Curbey Danieh - are leaving the YFZ Ranch after meeting the mothers of their new ad litem clients...SNIP The two say they are flying back to Houston tonight. They'll be back when their young clients have a court date, they say.

They can't make it through the hearing, since it's going to be going into tomorrow or however long? The state didn't say the children were living in unhealthy conditions, they said they were at risk. Is the hearing over for today?

 

[mollymalone]

3:50 p.m., TOM GREEN COUNTY COURTHOUSE - The investigators learn that one Sarah who has been at the ranch is 16 and has a baby, the supervisor said. The girls being interviewed have seen her the past week at the ranch but don't know where she is.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/17/live-from-the-courthouse-updates-on-flds-custody/

They were probably told to say that and she could have been there, only hidden.
Edited to add: If they say she's not there, and hasn't been there, they hope that CPS will beleive it and leave.

 

[Linda7NJ]

They were probably told to say that and she could have been there, only hidden.
Edited to add: If they say she's not there, and hasn't been there, they hope that CPS will believe it and leave.

I think one of the "sister wives" caught her and tipped off ol hubbyophile and she was shipped off somewhere..."reassigned"