FLDS compound in Texas Court proceedings ONLY please!!!!!

[luvbeaches]

Every single child needs to be placed in foster care.

This whole thing disgusts me. I'm sure it's all these women know, and many of them have been abused, but the abuse needs to end. These children need to be protected and it's obvious that most of the mom's are not willing to do this, for whatever reason.

 

[mollymalone]

Amen sista!! When there is a natural disaster that is acts of God, that is one thing. These people have created their on crisis, let them pay for it. From what is being said, they have already collected enough government money for spitting out babies and lying about not knowing who the father is, but hey, they may not actually know who the baby daddy is, hell they might be jumping from perv to perv. God, this makes me sick.

According to some of those who have left, their own fathers sexually abused them. I read where one man and his brother were afraid that the father of a young girl one of them wanted as a wife would "have her" first. I also read accounts where it was stated that their "fathers" or other family members "prepared" them for marriage. So that statement of yours is quite possible, even probable in some or many cases.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

CNN corraspondent:

very slow going in the begining, judge seems to ahve control of this unctrollable situation. Judge is keeping things moving, we ahve heard some compelling story.

 

[barb0301]

Man told reporter - "I'm just a potato grower, tell me what the law is, we'll follow it"

URP !!!! yeah, right !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

THE WOMAN SEEMED TO BE WILLING TO CONCEDE TO THINGS.. IN ORDER TO GET THERE CHILDREN BACK

Judge is making the rules as she goes along. She has never had a case liek this before!

 

[Ca-Sun]

416 children are represented by 350 attorneys. NO age is too young for a child to be married. Whatever the "prophetphile" says, goes. What sick SOB's.

 

[barb0301]

Reporter says judge is very inspiring, sorry they could not have cameras in courtroom

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

CNN is saying the state has had the tesitimony all day. Crpss examination has just started. STate is sticking to its guns.

National press is all over the place.
This is not the same situation as Waco!

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

6:55 p.m. - The CPS supervisor is under fire during cross examination. A defense attorney representing a father asks the CPS supervisor if anyone has talked to the father.
No, the CPS supervisor says.
The defense attorney continues to attack, asking whether families who've come forward to say they didn't live at the ranch can go home.
The CPS supervisor said she doesn't know of any, and a home would have to be checked out before a child could go to it.

 

[mollymalone]

THE WOMAN SEEMED TO BE WILLING TO CONCEDE TO THINGS.. IN ORDER TO GET THERE CHILDREN BACK

Judge is making the rules as she goes along. She has never had a case liek this before!

" The women tell me they'll concede to what the state wants them to do if it's rational."

Yeah, until the prophet sends word from prison or M.Jeffs says you don't do it.

 

[barb0301]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/17/live-from-the-courthouse-updates-on-flds-custody/

"
6:24 p.m. - Judge Walther says she will hear the best objection from each side to corrections made on a document. An attorney says "No objections," to the applause of the city auditorium. Discussion centers around children who are currently pregnant or who gave birth while under the age of 17. At least one girl was as young as 13 when she concevied a child, according to testimony. Some girls who are reporting they are adults are likely not adults, according to testimony, and maybe as many as 50 pecent of the women who say they are adults are not, according to testimony."

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

7:05 - "There are young girls that feel the pinnacle of their existence is to become married at whatever age they're told and have as many children as they're told to have," the CPS supervisor says during questioning from a defense attorney.
But the danger of being sexually abused for those kids who are 4 and younger is 10 or 12 years down the road, the defense attorney says.
"What is the danger today for those children?" she said.
The CPS supervisor said the danger is that they'll grow up in an atmosphere in which sexual abuse of children is accepted.
The judge said she'll hear from one child's attorney.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/17/live-from-the-courthouse-updates-ON-FLDS-CUSTODY/

 

[Leila]

Larry King - interviewing Jenny Hoff, a reporter from Austin Kxan - TV. She was asked her opinion of Judge Walther, and her response was "Oh, she's fiery - all the time I was watching her, I wished we had been allowed cameras in the courtroom!"

It sound like we've got our "Judge Judy" in the courtroom! :clap:

 

[barb0301]

" The women tell me they'll concede to what the state wants them to do if it's rational."

Yeah, until the prophet sends word from prison or M.Jeffs says you don't do it.

Rational in who's opinion?

 

[mollymalone]

Reporter says judge is very inspiring, sorry they could not have cameras in courtroom

She also said "she's very fiery". :clap:

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

7:15 p.m. - The CPS supervisor says, under cross examination, that she can't recommend any safety situation that would allow any of the children to go back to the ranch.
Another attorney representing parents steps forward to question the CPS supervisor, asking: Don't these people as a whole look younger than they may actually be?
"I can't speak to that," the supervisor says.
Everything grinds to a halt as the question arises as to exactly who the attorney represents. One of his clients was put on "the disputed list" who was supposed to be 20, he says. "And I wasn't allowed to see her," he adds.
He wants to know how many adults the supervisor testifying has spoken with.
She's talked to 15 or 20, she responds.
"What they express is they've done nothing wrong," the CPS supervisor says.
http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/17/live-from-the-courthouse-updates-ON-FLDS-CUSTODY/

 

[mollymalone]

Rational in who's opinion?

Probably in the prophet or bishops opinion. Certainly not in the women's.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

The judge is the star of the show... All the lawyers sometimes want to make riduclous objections and she is doing a wonderful job.

 

[Leila]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/17/live-from-the-courthouse-updates-on-flds-custody/

"
6:24 p.m. - Judge Walther says she will hear the best objection from each side to corrections made on a document. An attorney says "No objections," to the applause of the city auditorium. Discussion centers around children who are currently pregnant or who gave birth while under the age of 17. At least one girl was as young as 13 when she concevied a child, according to testimony. Some girls who are reporting they are adults are likely not adults, according to testimony, and maybe as many as 50 pecent of the women who say they are adults are not, according to testimony."

I wonder if those 50% of the women who say they are adults are not - are among the 82 mothers that were allowed to remain with the children 5 and under?

 

[mollymalone]

Attorney Hays: "The Texas law is well laid out in the code how you remove the child. If there is abuse in the household by one parent and the other parent doesn't do anything about it, the child can be removed permanently or temporarily."