FLDS compound in Texas Court proceedings ONLY please!!!!!

[Blue_Dolphin308]

You don't have to proof that an individual child is abused, but you have to proof that there is abuse going on in the household!


They think it will go till 9 tonite 9 tomorow and 9 saturday

 

[mollymalone]

Andrea Yates' attorney - bigamy is possible charge, either via common law or valid marriage (felony), agg sexual assault.

There could also be charges of incest and I'm betting that in future we'll see some charges for fraud.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

7:25 p.m. - A child's attorney asks the testifying CPS supervisor whether any of the children had broken bones, injuries or malnutrition that showed up in medical examinations.
"There were some suspected broken bones," the CPS supervisor said.
The judge asks whether there are any other questions.
Another child's attorney asks whether the supervisor has identified any male who was 17 or younger and who had sex with a girl 17 or younger.
"I don't know," the supervisor replies.
Can you identify any households in which a child was caused serious injury or death? the attorney says.
Yes, the CPS supervisor says.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/17/live-from-the-courthouse-updates-ON-FLDS-CUSTODY/

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

7:46 - "You know, just because you stand up doesn't mean you have a right to talk," the judge tells someone at the courthouse. "I will recognize you."
An attorney comes forward to speak for all of the girls who are minors with children, asking for the CPS position on them. The department wants to find places together for the mothers and children if possible, the CPS supervisor says.
The attorney wants to know whether the mothers are seen as victims or perpetrators.
"In my investigation at this point, I see them as both," the CPS supervisor says. "They have been raised - and they are raising their children - in the belief that it will be OK for their children to have babies when they are just adolescents."

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/17/live-from-the-courthouse-updates-ON-FLDS-CUSTODY/

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Seems the judge is getting frustrated with all the questions/objections.

 

[Leila]

Carolyn Jessop says that some of the women who were interviewed on Larry King's program last night are women who's husbands were banished from the FLDS and the women and their children were sent to Texas. Larry King asked if that's why some of the women wouldn't respond to questions about where their husbands are.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Carolyn also stated that these woman are under alot of pressure on what to say, and if they say the wrong thing they could be in ALOT of trouble.

 

[mollymalone]

Kathy Jo Nicholson & Carolyn Jessop on LKL

MIKE: "I would say it's rather naive to assume that underage marriages are not going on in that compound. The reason they brought them here is because Jeff's knew that if they could put one of his cops in jail they could put him in too. I"m sure there's some great moms there, and deserve to get their children back, but they're in a culture. What were Texas officials supposed to do?

Carolyn: I know most of them that I've seen. They've had terrible things happen to them. Most of them last night have had their husbands taken away from them to repent from afar.
LARRY: That's why they won't talk about their hsubands?"
CAROLYN: Yes. 'Where's Merrill? Why isn't he there asking about his children. Why is he hiding behind the women?

Kathy: The men are, there's so much abuse that I know first hand, my brother in Colorado City was held out for blood atonement, he's dead and no one can explain it. My firends were married at 15 and 16, she complained about being raped over and over on her wedding night. We thought it was okay because she was married. That's what we were taught.

3 FLDS mothers: Esther, Marilyn and Sally CLIP

Carolyn: I know them, they are absolute sweethearts, but they are under tremendous pressure and they'll get in trouble if they don't watch what they say.

MIKE: I'm glad they're having their say in this discussion, I"m done if it's consenting adults, but it's not, there's sex with little girls. Jeffs social architecture, to abuse and throw away the boys..

 

[golfmom]

"It's just like any other investigation," she says. "When you find one child that's a victim in a home, you have concerns for all of them, and the ranch is considered one large home."

Oh, that was a point I made a few days ago.

patting myself on the back!

 

[mollymalone]

7:25 p.m. -
Can you identify any households in which a child was caused serious injury or death? the attorney says.
Yes, the CPS supervisor says.

Uh oh. They must have much more that they can present.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

The activists think that warren is the best thing that could have happend to these communities, as he took a bad situation and made it so bad that now the states are actually starting to pay attention!

 

[barb0301]

7:25 p.m. - A child's attorney asks the testifying CPS supervisor whether any of the children had broken bones, injuries or malnutrition that showed up in medical examinations.
"There were some suspected broken bones," the CPS supervisor said.

Can you identify any households in which a child was caused serious injury or death? the attorney says.
Yes, the CPS supervisor says.

UH OH !!!! Very, very scary indeed !!!

 

[mollymalone]

Does this story shock you?

Steven: No. When you drive around Colorado city, there are no American flags, they go out of thei rway to shun the American legal system. That legal system has stepped up to give them lawyers. The lawyers and judge have done great job and the defense has provided them with great counsel.

"These kids need permanency and safety."

Mike: we care for them, they are Texas's children. Some probably should be returned to their mothers, but the welfare of the children is paramount.

CLIP of the women

The mother talking about her handicapped child and CPS

Kathy: My heart breaks for Sally, in the beginning, I thought the best was to keep the mothers with the children, but now I see the state has to do what they have to do, just like in any other case. The state is well equipped. It's been going on for so long. I'm not talking about polygamy. The moms need to seek some counseling.

Carolyn: America has to stay focused, it's about the children. I'm a mother of a severely handicapped son too, it would create anxiety, but he goes off to school and I'm separated from him and he has carers who haven't been his mother for 8 years.

Dr. Charles : Safety is of utmost importance. That is our mandate.

Jeffs had a habit of breaking up families, reassigning them. He funneled a lot of those women to Texas. The primary interest is in the children but in having control over this population.

Larry: they talk about getting girls back, they didn't seem interested in the boys."

Mike: Because women are the currency with which Jeffs buys his power. This is the currency by which he buys loyalty with. He needs a herd of women he can parcel out to his favorite followers. A large no. of the young boys work until teenagers and then their father's drive them to the edge of town because Jeffs said so.

 

[Leila]

Larry King is playing more of the video tour of Marilyn's home. Marilyn showed her mother's room and said her mother's little boy is handicapped - he's got Downs syndrome and the fumarase disease - the genetic disease that's showing up in FLDS communities.

Carolyn Jessop said that Marilyn's mother is Sally - one of the other three women who were interviewed last night.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

There is a baby grave yard with no headstones, suicides are claimed that are not suicides, fathers are impregnanting there daughters.

 

[mollymalone]

Showing a clip of the Compound with Marilyn
"They (CPS) have her and her ten month old child and two other little girls that live here with her. We have a sweet, sweet grandmother that patches the socks when holes get in their socks. My mother has a child with Downs syndrome. They refused to let her take him with her. He takes minute by minute care. There were men all around with guns. I've never seen a firearm in my life. Those children need their mothers. (I didn't get all of what she said)

ANDERSON COOPER: Court will adjourn within the hour.

Carolyn: They've all taken on the demeanor and modeling their voices after Warren Jeffs. If she loves her child she will obey the prophet. That puts her in a vulnerable place regarding her child. There goes the mother bear.

Kathy: I think that he still has a grip on these people. He's built them up and torn them down, the process goes on for several years, it's prevalent. She talks about the baby graveyard in Colorado city, suicides that aren't suicides....

Journalist: I think the effect has trickled down from his jail cell to the ranch. His brothers are visiting and taking orders from Jeffs, so his grip is pervasive and strong. It shows how much power he has when he sends these boys out of town after using their cheap labor to get millions of dollar contracts. it's a criminal enterprise. When you have a man who's told to leave his family and go far away and repent, and he's a businessman and he does it, that's power.

Dr. Charles Sophy: It's difficult to see that and it makes you sad, but we have to make her kids safe. She might be able to keep them safe but her frame of reference isn't good. The way she's speaking, child like, she might be depressed, under connection with someone who won't allow her to think properly.

Typically any child welfare system will do is evaluate the parents. they should be able to evaluate the mothers as well. It is all pathology. They need to evaluate Warren. We have a protocol we have to go thru. We have to have safety, minimize risk, we look at parents, kids and relatives they could stay with while we do the evaluations.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Hearing is over for tonite Starts again tomorow 9 am Central

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Children being whipped, violence to children, babies being spanked till they screamed then held under water, etc etc ---- Carolyn Jessop

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

woman and men are now admitting that 15 years old do get married etc, but say its not happening to all our children

 

[mostlylurking]

Attorneys take cases. They don't interject their personal feelings; remember all the lawyer jokes?

How does a pregnant woman know that when her child grows up it will be an attorney?






She craves baloney.:crazy: