Flds - Follow The Money

  • #181
http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy282.html
The math was simple: Bad loans plus embezzlement brought down a
small-town bank. Last June's closing of the Bank of Ephraim made instant losers of 50 people and groups ranging from turkey farmers to the local Chevrolet dealer and state college. Together they had $3.6 million in uninsured deposits.

But in this farming community in one of Utah poorest counties, where many are struggling to hold their own, resentment runs deep against regulators who shut down the 99-year-old Bank of Ephraim. They complain that government examiners, fooled by phony bank statements, never detected the fraud. They accuse state regulators of tolerating risky loans to the fundamentalist religious sect halfway down the state. The loans reached $18 million, 90 percent of the Bank of Ephraim's portfolio, said former bank President Keith Church.

Afterward, Church learned from business owners that they had been instructed by Rulon Jeffs, former leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, to "go out and borrow as much money as they could" because civilization was about to collapse. State Banking Supervisor Jim Thomas said the Bank of Ephraim was cleaning its balance sheet of the bad loans when embezzlement delivered the knockout punch.
 
  • #182
"All that, combined with one last piece of information, was enough to convince Success editor Randy Mankin that the tip was legitimate. The final tidbit of information involved trucks bearing the company name Z-Trans coming and going from the South Dakota property.

Z-Trans, Inc. is a corporation registered in St. George, Utah. The company's director and registered agent is Robert Dockstader Allred, another of Warren Jeffs' loyal followers.

Z-Trans trucks are routinely seen entering and leaving the YFZ Ranch here in Schleicher County.
 
  • #183
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_8925455
The Delta County Assessor's Office said the land, at 1253 3350 Road near Crawford, belongs to Neph Barlow of Henderson, Nev. At least one building is under construction on the property. The property is surrounded by a tall privacy fence.
 
  • #184
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...ffs+wives&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=167&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

Low ranking Bountiful members pay extremely hightithes to the church, live on church land, and usually own almost no property of their own. All their assets are compiled into the United Effort Plan (UEP), which is a trust presided over by Jeffs and his faithfuls worth over $150 million.

Recently, the prophet has ominously been urging members to max out their credit cards because they'll, "...be lifted up to heaven..." before the bills are due.
 
  • #185
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Somehow I'm picturing a brand new Citibank facility in El Dorado, all white and shiny. Looks like the safes and vaults are already in place.
Hmm, you might be right about that!!
Other than documents, what else would go into vaults? Money!
 
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While Musser was in hiding with Warren Jeff's wives and daughters, he lived in or traveled to various locations linked with the FLDS. There was a house in Williamsburg, Colorado, Westcliffe, Colorado, and Florence Colorado. He delivered envelopes of cash to locations in Utah, WYOMING, and IDAHO.

When his wife and child were removed by Warren Jeffs, Musser tried to find her. In the article at the link it's clear that the FLDS has set up safe houses in various states.


http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_5778176?source=rss
" scoured Colorado from Florence to Fort Collins, visiting old safe houses"
 
  • #189
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/showthread.php?t=48360
The state not only ignored the crimes for decades, it helped facilitate them by allowing the FLDS polygamists to set up a town government, a public school district and a police department that have received tens of millions of dollars in taxpayer funds despite the fact that polygamy violates Arizona's Constitution. The FLDS has had an iron grip on the local governments, because it has been impossible to get elected or hired to a taxpayer-funded post without the church's blessing.

The fundamentalist community has also benefited immensely from state health-care services for the poor and indigent by receiving more than $12 million a year in state assistance in Arizona to pay for health-insurance premiums.
 
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  • #191
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/showthread.php?t=48360
The state not only ignored the crimes for decades, it helped facilitate them by allowing the FLDS polygamists to set up a town government, a public school district and a police department that have received tens of millions of dollars in taxpayer funds despite the fact that polygamy violates Arizona's Constitution. The FLDS has had an iron grip on the local governments, because it has been impossible to get elected or hired to a taxpayer-funded post without the church's blessing.

The fundamentalist community has also benefited immensely from state health-care services for the poor and indigent by receiving more than $12 million a year in state assistance in Arizona to pay for health-insurance premiums.
Warren Jeffs and his flunkies are running around from compound to compound with literally MILLIONS of dollars - BAGS FULL OF CASH and yet the FLDS members are recieving MILLIONS of dollars in state and federal aid - for housing, healthcare, food etc - all because the MOTHERS say they are the single unwed mother of MULTIPLE children.

The FLDS (by way of the UEP) brings in MILLIONS a year in money from federal and state contracts, owns hundreds of successful labor intensive businesses, owns thousands of acres in valuable property and every business, home and twig is in the name of some shadow company - never an individual. So on paper they are all below the poverty line. We KNOW most of the men have at least 3 "celestial wives" and each of those "in the eyes of God, not the state" wives can take in as much as $50-60K a year in aid and subsidies on their LARGE families. These women even receive HOUSING assistance - they take money from the state and pay it to the UEP in "rent" each month. They get support for children who are not living in their homes and almost ALL of the children over age 8 WORK daily at one of the FLDS companies - construction, farming, assembly, factory - the list goes on and on. The men (and the UEP) get the MONEY while WE (the taxpayer) support their 20-30-40+ offspring and their 3-5-9 wives. It's a GREAT system if you're a MAN and on Warren Jeff's good side.

As a SOLUTION, I think:
---We, as TAXPAYERS should DEMAND that state and federal contracts are only awarded to thoroughly vetted, legitimate companies with legitimate owners and NO CHILD LABOR.---

---We, as TAXPAYERS, should DEMAND that state and federal assistance - from WIC to food stamps to section 8 to health-care to welfare GO ONLY to people who have NO MEANS OF SUPPORT - including "celestial" spouses and "sister wives". EVERY CHILD must be accounted for, PHYSICALLY at least once a month and in random visits. The children MUST attend an accredited PUBLIC school until they turn 18 or graduate from high school, They MUST have health check-ups every year. Housing MUST be inspected every 6 months - in a random visit.---

---We, as TAXPAYERS, should DEMAND that CPS be informed of EVERY pregnant girl under age 17. This is a MINOR and since the minor child is pregnant (possibly implying parental neglect or statutory RAPE), CPS would have the right to at least QUESTION the circumstances and make an un-announced visit and INTERVIEW the girl ALONE. These girls should be required to be IN SCHOOL, be required to receive approved pre-natal care, be required to attend birthing and if they are keeping the baby, attend parenting classes held at a place chosen by CPS. After the child is born, again CPS should be monitoring. If the mother is keeping the child then CPS should be involved for AT LEAST 18 months - to support the mother and to PROTECT her baby and give a GOOD START in life. A pregnant 12-13-14 or 15 year old SHOULD GET OUR ATTENTION! We should be doing MORE to support these young mothers BEFORE they have the baby - and AFTER. WE (the TAXPAYER) can and should try to STOP the cycle of teenage pregnancy for ALL GIRLS, regardless of their lifestyle, religion or background.---

If the FLDS had experienced ANY SMALL restrictions - even been asked just a question or two, or have been required to follow LAWS already on the books MOST of the YFZ Ranch situation could have been averted years ago. Everyone has been so focused on "not persecuting" the FLDS that they have failed to see clearly that the REAL issues with the FLDS that make us all sick are NOT RELIGIOUS AT ALL, but instead AGAINST THE LAW. The FLDS tries to hide CRIMINAL ACTS behind religion (which has worked for 100 years) but FINALLY they are being FORCED to justify ABUSE and FRAUD and CRIMINAL ACTS as having even the slightest connection to "acts of FAITH".

We don't need to create new legislation, attack plural marriage or do anything radical or different. NO-ONE cares about the sex lives or religion of CONSENTING ADULTS! NO-ONE cares if the kids watch TV are dressed in conservative clothes or pray to Warren Jeffs. THE FLDS can CONTINUE to do every single ritual and act of faith they have done for 100 years - every one which is not CHILD ABUSE, FRAUDULENT or CRIMINAL. This is about LIES AND ABUSE, ABUSE of the SYSTEM, ABUSE of WOMAN, ABUSE of CHILDREN....and the LIES that come from those ILLEGAL acts. ALL the WE have to do is put some teeth into the laws we have and INSIST that our Atty's General, LE, CPS and judges UPHOLD THOSE LAWS!

Take away the forced isolation,money and the lies and the control - add a little attention, oversight and public/LE scrutiny and the FLDS may continue to exist, but only as a polygamous fringe church full of aging members talking about the "good ol' days". Like black mold, (and most ugly, nasty things that will make you sick), the FLDS only survives hidden away in the dark spreading its sickness with unseen spores that infect and slowly kill anyone who keeps breathing the poisoned air. Just like mold, if you deal with the FLDS by ripping out the walls that hide and shelter it, expose it to air and light, treat the poison air, and bleach everything it has touched clean, the blackness can no longer grow and be spread. You don't have to destroy the whole house (FLDS) to solve the problem...just really clean house, open it up to the bright sun, rip out the infected/ruined parts and replace them and continue to control and monitor the environment and you haven't over-reacted, focused on the STYLE of the house or made the house different - but the thing that was making everyone sick - even killing them slowly - is gone.

My Opinion
 
  • #192
Wonderful, Flower Child! Love the mold analogy.
 
  • #193
Mold is a good analogy!

The laws should be enforced, the lack of enforcement and oversight has resulted in the proliferation of abuse, physical, mental and financial. I have nothing against large families, but those parents choosing to have them need to be financially able and willing to support them. In this sect, if there's a child that has medical problems I have no problem with the states helping out, as long as they extend the same help to others not in the sect.

But the willful and stubborn refusal to abstain from a practice which is documented as causing a debilitating disease to children born of those close unions lessens my sympathy for the parents of those children in this sect.

I find it appalling when: underage marriages are the sole driving force behind this sect's continuance; when young boys without the social, mental health or educational skills are tossed onto the street corners and told they are "dead" to their families; when women can be plunked into a mental health facility and released only when she has "atoned" for her behaviour and apologized to her husband and it's his, or the church's say so that she can be released; when for decades people have been pleading with the authorities to intervene on behalf of those abused and are told "we haven't the resources" or it's "a religious matter and we can't intervene"; when millions of taxpayer dollars are squandered on privileged lifestyles of the sect's hiearchy and expands their control.

I have no problem with the city streets being paved in CC or Hilldale, or a fire dept. installed, or the myriad of things that the rest of us enjoy within our own cities. The problem arises when the representatives of those cities are ONLY drawn from within that sect, and the only persons who staff the fire dept, the police, the judiciary etc, are ONLY from within the sect, and all others are discouraged from living or working in those cities; or when the fire dept. receives a large inappropriate grant from Homeland Security; when contracts are awarded to a company and when it's apparent that child labor laws are being broken nothing is done.

Even with outside oversight, not much will change as long as those in positions of authority remain those from within the sect.
 
  • #194
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us/08raid.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1
The stress rippling out from Texas is also compounding economic woes. A power plant built under the leadership of Mr. Jeffs’s predecessor and father, Rulon Jeffs, in 1997 — with $21.4 million in municipal bonds — has been in default for years as customers for the power, including the city of St. George, walked away and fuel costs soared. The power station was needed, the Jeffs men said, in anticipation of a prophesied collapse of American society in the year 2000 that would have left the F.L.D.S. humming along in its rural fastness with the lights still on.

Now, the bondholders are going to court, and last week, the utility officers began considering a 25 percent rate increase, on top of what is already some of the most expensive electricity in the West, in an effort to stave off financial disaster. The City Council in Hildale, Utah, sister community to Colorado City across the border, is to vote on the proposal later this month. “We are in a financial cash-flow crisis,” said Jerry Barlow, the utility’s manager. “We will not be able to pay for the power without some kind of adjustment.”
 
  • #195
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us/08raid.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1
The stress rippling out from Texas is also compounding economic woes. A power plant built under the leadership of Mr. Jeffs’s predecessor and father, Rulon Jeffs, in 1997 — with $21.4 million in municipal bonds — has been in default for years as customers for the power, including the city of St. George, walked away and fuel costs soared. The power station was needed, the Jeffs men said, in anticipation of a prophesied collapse of American society in the year 2000 that would have left the F.L.D.S. humming along in its rural fastness with the lights still on.

Now, the bondholders are going to court, and last week, the utility officers began considering a 25 percent rate increase, on top of what is already some of the most expensive electricity in the West, in an effort to stave off financial disaster. The City Council in Hildale, Utah, sister community to Colorado City across the border, is to vote on the proposal later this month. “We are in a financial cash-flow crisis,” said Jerry Barlow, the utility’s manager. “We will not be able to pay for the power without some kind of adjustment.”

Simple solution. Take it out of the UEP. The State of Utah has control of the UEP, so let the trust pay for it. It is, after all, their financial obligation!
 
  • #196
Simple solution. Take it out of the UEP. The State of Utah has control of the UEP, so let the trust pay for it. It is, after all, their financial obligation!
Whether they do or don't it looks to me like the flds members of CC and Hilldale will have to begin paying bills for their electricity, and paying more for it than other cities. Ironic isn't it?
 
  • #197
http://www.star-telegram.com/state_news/story/585189.html
"If the allegations of polygamy and children abuse are proven true, then the proper authorities should terminate their government contracts and tax breaks," said U.S. Rep. Chet Edwards, a Waco Democrat whose district stretches from Hood and Johnson counties southward past College Station. U.S. Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Flower Mound, said he too is concerned about the situation. "These recent discoveries raise many serious questions," said Burgess, whose district includes most of Denton County and part of Fort Worth. "I hope a full and thorough investigation is conducted and completed as soon as possible." U.S. Rep. Kay Granger, R-Fort Worth, had already said she's surprised that the government is doing business with a sect. "It makes me very uneasy," she said late last week. "It needs to be investigated without a doubt."
 
  • #198
This was posted at a Salt Lake Tribune comments section by Jay Beswick of FOR KIDS SAKE, a child prevention group who works with former members of flds like Flora Jessop.

Posted Apr 18, 2008 by Jay Beswick
"Renegade members had "meth" labs, as in William Black now on the Lam and on the FBI's Most Wanted list. William took 2 Stubbs girls at 13 & 14 as sister or plural wives."

"Louis Barlow in the 1980's was selling survival kits that included assault rifles, since they belief insurrection was coming, that wasn't a comforting thought."
 
  • #199
http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy346.html
May 10 2005
"A man of considerable wealth and influence, Blackmore is in charge of the land and the homes, deciding who lives where. He has business interests in British Columbia, Alberta, and in Idaho with companies that employ most of the young men raised in Bountiful." "The children are educated in the church's school, but it only offers first through seventh grades.
After that, boys are sent to work for the Blackmore Company, usually performing heavy manual labor."

"The group is in the midst of a major power struggle, and followers of Winston Blackmore are moving into north Idaho to be closer to him. NewsChannel 7 found proof the fundamentalists are quietly buying up Boundary County land and building a community that your tax dollars may be going to support."
 
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