Fleet White on morning of murder

[narlacat]

I think I posted this earlier,but if anyone knows,please share.
It was said JB's body had an odor to it..if JB had been there at the time he looked in that room,would it likely have been strong enough for him to notice?

I'm not sure who you are talking about here, JR or FW.
If you are talking about JR, I doubt he would have noticed that, apparently he didn't even know his daughter was dead when he carried her up the stairs when she was stiff as a board.
Yeah right
The only person who mentioned the smell was Arndt and who'd believe anything she said.

Edit to add: Thanks Cypros for pointing that out, I forgot two words lol

 

[Cypros]

I'm not sure who you are talking about here, JR or FW.
If you are talking about JR, I doubt he would have noticed that, apparently he didn't even know his daughter when he carried her up the stairs when she was stiff as a board.
Yeah right
The only person who mentioned the smell was Arndt and who'd believe anything she said.

What do you mean that he "didn't know his daughter"?

Remember that JBR had urine stains on her long johns. I woud expect that there would be some odor due to the urine if nothing else. Has anybody ever commmented on the temperature in the wine cellar? I imagine it was relatively cool if not cold. That would slow down the processs of decay.

 

[rashomon]

Remember that JBR had urine stains on her long johns. I woud expect that there would be some odor due to the urine if nothing else. Has anybody ever commmented on the temperature in the wine cellar? I imagine it was relatively cool if not cold. That would slow down the processs of decay.

Cypros: your post will be challenged by IDIs who claim that the cellar was warm enough for hibernating spiders to crawl out and repair their web damaged by the alleged intruder ... !
Kidding aside: JB had been dead for at least twelve hours when her corpse was found, and every dead body found after such a time span will have an odor of decay to it. You can ask any doctors/nurses about this.

 

[Cypros]

Cypros: your post will get you in trouble with your fellow IDIs who claim that the cellar was warm enough for hibernating spiders to crawl out and repair their web damaged by the alleged intruder ... !
Kidding aside: JB had been dead for at least twelve hours when her dead body was found, and every dead body found after such a time span will have an odor of decay to it. You can ask any doctors/nurses about this.

Thanks for reminding me of that brilliant IDI argument, rashomon. I forgot that logic should be thrown out the window for this case. :doh:

 

[narlacat]

What do you mean that he "didn't know his daughter"?

Remember that JBR had urine stains on her long johns. I woud expect that there would be some odor due to the urine if nothing else. Has anybody ever commmented on the temperature in the wine cellar? I imagine it was relatively cool if not cold. That would slow down the processs of decay.

I thought the basement was quite warm.

 

[Pinkhammer]

The rest of the basement was warm, but the wine cellar was cool.

 

[Eagle1]

UKGuy, I believe the poster's point was that the author of the ransom note wanted to implicate the housekeeper, which doesn't mean that the staging of the scene had to be consistent in every single detail. People who are no professional criminals always make major blunders when trying to stage a scene - criminal profilers like McCrary have pointed this out. ........

.....Re Fleet White: I dont think he 'knew' JB's body had not been in the wine cellar when he went down there first, but all FW knew was that he hadn't seen anything when standing at the threshold to the pitch-dark room, and therefore became suspicious when later John Ramsey, on opening the door without stepping into the room either, allegedly had seen JB's blanket-covered body there at once.

"There's always major blunders in staging if done by non-criminals." Do we have some major blunders in this case in the staging?

FW didn't say he KNEW the body wasn't in the room that he didn't really investigate, just that he didn't see it.

 

[Eagle1]

Cypros: your post will be challenged by IDIs who claim that the cellar was warm enough for hibernating spiders to crawl out and repair their web damaged by the alleged intruder ... !
Kidding aside: JB had been dead for at least twelve hours when her corpse was found, and every dead body found after such a time span will have an odor of decay to it. You can ask any doctors/nurses about this.

I don't REMEMBER anyone HERE claiming a spider came out and repaired its web over the window well outside the basement. Wasn't it only Smit who said that? I'm staying neutral, an FS, but I think Smit of all people should have known, Criminals don't have to use basement windows, and even if a WS member had subscribed to that, let's remember ridicule would be against rules. I think Smit was dead wrong with his window theory, although he's solved a lot of cases.

 

[BBB167893]

Thanks for reminding me of that brilliant IDI argument, rashomon. I forgot that logic should be thrown out the window for this case.

Funny you should phrase it quite that way!

"There's always major blunders in staging if done by non-criminals." Do we have some major blunders in this case in the staging?

I'll say! For starters, the note writer couldn't even decide what KIND of killer he/she was! The trappings of pedophile bondage killing are present on the body, but the note is full of nonsense about ransom kidnapping, militant Islam and extreme-left flubdubbery.

And the wrist ties were so loose they wouldn't restrain a baby.

AND the underwear was too large

(I'm just getting warmed up!)

 

[rashomon]

I don't REMEMBER anyone HERE claiming a spider came out and repaired its web over the window well outside the basement. Wasn't it only Smit who said that? I'm staying neutral, an FS, but I think Smit of all people should have known, Criminals don't have to use basement windows, and even if a WS member had subscribed to that, let's remember ridicule would be against rules. I think Smit was dead wrong with his window theory, although he's solved a lot of cases.

Don't forget that Smit is still pretty much of an authority for many IDIs. Not necessarily on this board, but on other boards like for example CourtTV.
But you are of course right about Smit imo: his theory that the perp squeezed himself through that small narrow basement window borders on the comical. Have you seen that ridiculous picture where Smit is trying to do exactly that, with his feet dangling down as he wiggles himself into that basement. If Smit as a short and thin man even had difficulty with that, what about an intruder with normal height and weight?
When Henry Lee and Barry Scheck inspected the basement window, Lee quipped that maybe with a lot of effort he might squeeze himself through it, but he was not sure if Barry could get through that window.
And some IDIs even claim that the intruder then tried to leave the basement through the window again with JB's dead body in the suitcase. Priceless!

 

[BBB167893]

You forgot that he had no winter clothing on!