Flight to London Gatwick crashes at airport in India .June 12 th 2025

[Dotta]

More:

"First Dreamliner Crash:​

Boeing in Trouble, Stock Exchange Reacts.

Boeing is once again under the microscope of civil aviation authorities and flight safety agencies.

The cause is the crash of a Dreamliner - B787 aircraft belonging to Air India and flying from Ahmedabad to London.

Boeing shares have fallen by 4.82 percent since morning.

Shares of companies producing parts for the Dreamliner also lost ground.
Engine manufacturer GE Aerospace (GE) fell by 1.5 percent.
And Spirit AeroSystems (SPR),
a manufacturer of fuselages, wings and propulsion systems for aircraft,
lost 2.16 percent.

The tragedy that occurred in India shook investors' confidence in airlines.

Stock charts of other carriers around the world turned red.

Shares of InterGlobe Aviation (INGL) - India's cheapest and largest airline - lost 2.75%.
Another cheap Indian carrier - SpiceJet (SPJT) lost half as much.
In Europe, shares of Wizz Air (WIZZ) fell 2.7%, and Ryanair (RYAAY) - 0.85%.
The smallest loss - 0.33% - was recorded by Polish charters Enter Air SA (ENT)."

Pierwsza katastrofa Dreamlinera. Boeing w tarapatach, giełda reaguje

Boeing po raz kolejny pod lupą władz lotnictwa cywilnego i agencji bezpieczeństwa lotów. Przyczyną jest katastrofa Dreamlinera - samolotu typu B787 należącego

biznes.interia.pl

 

[Dotta]

More.
My country's MSM are flooded with reports of this tragedy

"Boeing Crash. ​

Engineer Warned Year Ago: ​

'Fulls Have Flaws'.​

" 'There are design flaws in the fuselages of the B787 Dreamliner and B777 aircraft'
- these words, uttered a year ago by Boeing engineer and whistleblower Sam Salehpour, caused a storm in the aviation world.

As he emphasized, these machines
'can pose a serious threat to passenger safety',

He also declared that he 'would not put' his family in them.

Boeing responded to the image crisis immediately -
the company assured at the time that the planes were safe. The machine that crashed in Ahmedabad on Thursday was a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner.

'The New York Times' then published
Salehpour’s January complaint to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
He said Boeing had cut corners in the production of the 777 and 787 Dreamliners,
and that the risks
'could become catastrophic as the planes age'.”

Katastrofa samolotu w Indiach. Inżynier ostrzegał przed rokiem. "W kadłubach są wady"

W kadłubach samolotów B787 Dreamliner i B777 są wady konstrukcyjne - te słowa, wypowiedziane rok temu przez inżyniera i sygnalistę z Boeinga, Sama

wydarzenia.interia.pl

 

[Skigh]

Air India plane crash survivor gives shocking account of the disaster

Briton Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, 40, miraculously survived the plane disaster, which killed all but one 242 passengers and crew on-board in in the northwestern Indian city of Ahmedabad.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The sole survivor of yesterday's deadly Air India plane crash has shared his shocking account of the disaster and described how he was 'ejected' from the jet before it hit the ground and exploded into a huge fireball.


Mr Ramesh, who lives in London with his wife and child, is being treated at a hospital in the northwestern city of Ahmedabad, where he told doctors that immediately after the plane took off, it began descending and suddenly split in two, ejecting him before there was a loud explosion.


Dr. Dhaval Gameti, who examined Mr Ramesh, told the Associated Press that he was disoriented with multiple injuries all over his body' but that he 'seems to be out of danger.'

Speaking to Indian broadcaster Doordarshan, Mr Ramesh said: 'I don't know how I came out of it alive.

'For a while, I thought I was about to die. But when I opened my eyes, I saw I was alive. And I opened my seatbelt and got out of there,' adding how two cabin crew members 'died before my eyes.'

His seat was placed right next to the emergency door, which he says came off when the plane hit the ground.

 

[Skigh]

How doomed London-bound Air India jet AI171 crashed and burned

Inside the cockpit of the Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, the two pilots may have already known that they were doomed to die.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933467760496951665

"It has also been reported
that an identical Boeing 787
made four emergency landings last month -
an American Airlines plane
with issues linked to its wing flaps not being properly deployed.

Ex-British Airways pilot Alastair Rosenschein,
watching video of Air India's Flight 171 in yesterday's tragedy,
suggested the plane 'clearly' had its landing gear down -
saying that was 'not correct'
and that 'it should have been up',
like the aircraft didn't have its take-off flap setting.

He described how the flaps must be set accurately to extend each wing's shape
and generate further lift at lower speeds enabling take-off and follow-up climb.

Mr Rosenschein suggested
the wing flaps issue 'could explain why the aircraft came down',
with the plane then unable 'to maintain flight'.

He added:
'The video is not that clear,
but it doesn't look right to me.
The altitude of the aircraft isn't right either
and the aircraft seems to be descending rather than climbing -
it does look like it's an aerodynamic issue because of not having the right flaps setting on take-off'."

 

[Charlot123]

They have recovered DVR (digital video recorder)

Ahmedabad plane crash: Air India flight’s DVR recovered by ATS, one black box still missing — here’s why it matters

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ETA as well as the black box (Indian sources)

Ahmedabad crash: Black box recovered from Air India AI-171 wreckage - The Shillong Times

Ahmedabad, June 13: The black box of the Air India Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, which crashed minutes after takeoff in Gujarat’s Ahmedabad, has been recovered from the wreckage of the aircraft. The black box, technically known as the flight data recorder, is expected to play a vital role in...

theshillongtimes.com

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Lucky lady!

Student Bhoomi Chauhan missed Air India flight by just minutes

Bhoomi Chauhan was running late and airline staff wouldn't let her board Air India flight 171.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[333_OnlyHalfEvil]

Imagine being that sole survivor of a plane crash which killed the other 240+ people on board.

I feel for him - some might see him as the lucky one but imagine having to carry that survivors guilt with you for the rest of your days? I don’t think I could carry that weight.

I hope the media in the coming days & weeks leave him alone and let him have time to try and heal a little before getting him to speak on TV shows etc.

I hope well meaning people don't bombard him with things like God spared him for a reason, that puts a lot of pressure on the survivor to prove he's "worthy" of being spared when so many others died.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I hope well meaning people don't bombard him with things like God spared him for a reason, that puts a lot of pressure on the survivor to prove he's "worthy" of being spared when so many others died.

Unfortunately, I’ve already seen conspiracists on social media saying he’s somehow involved. I hope he is safe as well and people understand this was random chance.

 

[Skigh]

Survivor claims that lights on Air India flight 'started flickering'

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, 40, from Leicester, has also described feeling like the Boeing 787 Dreamliner was 'stuck in the air' and was 'gliding' rather than climbing after take off.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The British sole survivor of the Air India crash has revealed how the lights began flickering just before it went down and ‘people died in front of my eyes’.

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, 40, from Leicester, has also described feeling like the Boeing 787 Dreamliner was 'stuck in the air' and 'came to a standstill' rather than climbing after take off.

Aviation experts have speculated online that the flickering lights and other symptoms described by Mr Ramesh on board could be a sign of a power failure.


Describing what happened after take off in an interview from his hospital bed he said today: 'When the flight took off, within five to 10 seconds it felt like it was stuck in the air.

'Suddenly, the lights started flickering - green and white.

'The aircraft wasn't gaining altitude and was just gliding before it suddenly slammed into a building and exploded.'

It came after a passenger on the plane when it flew the day before the crash claimed that electronics on the jet such as the screens in the seats were not working.

 

[Dotta]

More from my country's MSM

"Boeing Was Already Getting Out of Trouble.​

The India Crash Changed That.​

Whatever the reason for the Indian air disaster,
Boeing is in trouble again.

Its shares initially fell 8% on Thursday, June 12,
after laboriously clawing back losses for weeks.

Then it got worse, falling to 10.79%, and the stock was trading at $203.13 a share by the end of the day,
down from $214 a day earlier.

Dreamliners are the favorites of passengers and pilots.​

B787s, called Dreamliners,
have been used by airlines around the world for a dozen or so years.

For Boeing's civil division,
this model is the main source of revenue.

Today, there are 1,148 such machines flying in the world, which have carried a total of over a billion passengers.
Their average age is 7.5 years.

For over a dozen years,
the Dreamliners, like their European competitor the Airbus 350,
have been a symbol of aviation innovation.

The innovation was based, among other things,
on the materials from which the aircraft was built.

A composite material, much lighter than aluminum,
allowed the aircraft to be lighter,
and consequently it became more economical to operate than other previous models.

It saves 15 to even 20 percent of fuel to cover the same distance and with the same number of passengers on board.

The cabin lighting is innovative,
as are the larger luggage compartments and windows.
This, in turn, pleased the passengers.

But there were also problems with the B787 planes.​

The B787 is also an aircraft that uses lithium-ion batteries,
which are lighter than the ones used before,
easier to recharge, and able to store more energy than others.

But this solution became the cause of the Dreamliner's first problems in 2013,
when it turned out that they overheated easily and quickly,
and even spontaneously combusted.

For this reason, in 2013,
the entire B787 fleet was grounded."

Much more in the link

Boeing już wychodził z kłopotów. Katastrofa w Indiach to zmieniła

Nie zostały jeszcze wyjaśnione przyczyny katastrofy Boeinga 787-8 należącego do Air India, który tuż po starcie spadł w pobliżu lotniska w Ahmedabadzie. Była to

www.rp.pl

 

[Dpdan]

Absolutely incredible to survive that,

 

[PrairieWind]

More.
My country's MSM are flooded with reports of this tragedy

"Boeing Crash. ​

Engineer Warned Year Ago: ​

'Fulls Have Flaws'.​

View attachment 594821

" 'There are design flaws in the fuselages of the B787 Dreamliner and B777 aircraft'
- these words, uttered a year ago by Boeing engineer and whistleblower Sam Salehpour, caused a storm in the aviation world.

As he emphasized, these machines
'can pose a serious threat to passenger safety',

He also declared that he 'would not put' his family in them.

Boeing responded to the image crisis immediately -
the company assured at the time that the planes were safe. The machine that crashed in Ahmedabad on Thursday was a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner.

'The New York Times' then published
Salehpour’s January complaint to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
He said Boeing had cut corners in the production of the 777 and 787 Dreamliners,
and that the risks
'could become catastrophic as the planes age'.”

Katastrofa samolotu w Indiach. Inżynier ostrzegał przed rokiem. "W kadłubach są wady"

W kadłubach samolotów B787 Dreamliner i B777 są wady konstrukcyjne - te słowa, wypowiedziane rok temu przez inżyniera i sygnalistę z Boeinga, Sama

wydarzenia.interia.pl

This crash doesn't appear to be related to the fuselage of the aircraft. So I don't know why this would be posted.

 

[Dotta]

This crash doesn't appear to be related to the fuselage of the aircraft. So I don't know why this would be posted.

Simples...

This article is about

Quote:

"Boeing and Airplane Crashes"​

Oh, and about whistleblowers in this particular company.

Very interesting to read.
It is always good to broaden one's knowledge about particular field, no?

JMO

 

[IQuestion]

Survivor claims that lights on Air India flight 'started flickering'

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, 40, from Leicester, has also described feeling like the Boeing 787 Dreamliner was 'stuck in the air' and was 'gliding' rather than climbing after take off.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The British sole survivor of the Air India crash has revealed how the lights began flickering just before it went down and ‘people died in front of my eyes’.

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, 40, from Leicester, has also described feeling like the Boeing 787 Dreamliner was 'stuck in the air' and 'came to a standstill' rather than climbing after take off.

Aviation experts have speculated online that the flickering lights and other symptoms described by Mr Ramesh on board could be a sign of a power failure.


Describing what happened after take off in an interview from his hospital bed he said today: 'When the flight took off, within five to 10 seconds it felt like it was stuck in the air.

'Suddenly, the lights started flickering - green and white.

'The aircraft wasn't gaining altitude and was just gliding before it suddenly slammed into a building and exploded.'

It came after a passenger on the plane when it flew the day before the crash claimed that electronics on the jet such as the screens in the seats were not working.

YES SKIGH: A passenger who was on this plane on an earlier flight complained about power failure on the plane! Oh geez....just wondering if there was a "main power source on the fritz?"
Maybe something similar to a breaker on an electrical panel going bad or shutting down because it is being overloaded? I remember the term "flipped a breaker" due to high temperatures when I lived in a really hot summer location....Wasn't it 104 degrees at the airport?

Video shows ‘nothing working’ on Air India plane

Electrical services on the Air India flight that crashed with 242 passengers onboard were not working hours beforehand, it has been claimed.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Cryptic]

" 'There are design flaws in the fuselages of the B787 Dreamliner and B777 aircraft'
- these words, uttered a year ago by Boeing engineer and whistleblower Sam Salehpour, caused a storm in the aviation world.

He said Boeing had cut corners in the production of the 777 and 787 Dreamliners,

The FAA has reviewed his claims and is evidently not been nearly excited about Sam's claims of impending catastrophes as Sam is.

The line between a whistle blower and a vindictive former employee might get blurry at times.
In the end disgruntled former employees can say any number of things for any number of reasons.

It might be necessary to take some of their claims "salted".

 

[PrairieWind]

Simples...

This article is about

Quote:

"Boeing and Airplane Crashes"​

Oh, and about whistleblowers in this particular company.

Very interesting to read.
It is always good to broaden one's knowledge about particular field, no?

JMO

The complaints were about the fuselage construction and that is something not applicable to this case. In regard to the whistleblowers,

It is never a good idea to undermine the whistle-blowers.

Better safe than sorry is my motto.

After all,
we all + our families are passengers.

Patronizing attitude might dishearten those who care about safety of others.

By the way,
I like salt, but only in my food.

Well,
I thought it was a good idea to present European view on these matters by sending the link.
IMO it is important.
We all care about the safety of air travel.

JMO

I think the whistleblower's claims were indeed looked at and not justified. Sam's revolved around the composite fuselage construction and that clearly isn't in play in this case. Especially since he referred to a manufacturing process that occurred long after this plane was made. So if you are just implying shoddy work in general by Boeing, I again don't think that is justified at this point. And his claims were simply not supported. I would take every whistleblower's claims seriously, but eventually those claims have to be verified, and many never were.

I don't understand your "salt" and "patronizing" statements. I think we all care about safety, since we all fly. But that means we need to find out what the cause of this crash is and not just arbitrarily point fingers from a European point of view.

 

[Dotta]

This is also interesting...

"The Air India passenger was not the first. ​

She was also the only survivor of a plane crash.​

The plane crash in India claimed the lives of over 300 people.

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh was the only survivor of the tragedy –
he managed to leave the plane wreckage on his own.

Interestingly,
a similar miracle took place in 1972,
when Vesna Vulović was the only person to survive the plane explosion.
The plane broke into two pieces after a bomb exploded on board.
Vulović suffered serious injuries but survived thanks to a lucky coincidence."

More in the link

Przeżył katastrofę w Indiach. Podobny cud wydarzył się pół wieku temu

Katastrofa lotnicza w Indiach pochłonęła życie ponad 300 osób. Vishwash Kumar Ramesh jako jedyny przeżył tragedię – zdołał opuścić wrak samolotu o własnych siłach. Co ciekawe, podobny cud miał miejsce w 1972 r....

www.o2.pl

 

[bmacmillan1]

This is also interesting...

"The Air India passenger was not the first. ​

She was also the only survivor of a plane crash.​

View attachment 594927

The plane crash in India claimed the lives of over 300 people.

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh was the only survivor of the tragedy –
he managed to leave the plane wreckage on his own.

Interestingly,
a similar miracle took place in 1972,
when Vesna Vulović was the only person to survive the plane explosion.
The plane broke into two pieces after a bomb exploded on board.
Vulović suffered serious injuries but survived thanks to a lucky coincidence."

Przeżył katastrofę w Indiach. Podobny cud wydarzył się pół wieku temu

Katastrofa lotnicza w Indiach pochłonęła życie ponad 300 osób. Vishwash Kumar Ramesh jako jedyny przeżył tragedię – zdołał opuścić wrak samolotu o własnych siłach. Co ciekawe, podobny cud miał miejsce w 1972 r....

www.o2.pl

Just look at the significant injuries she had compared to this man, who walked away relatively unscathed.
Miracle.

 

[thinker47]

Black boxes will give investigators more certainty of what happened on Air India flight, experts say

Washington, DC (CNN) — Investigators have recovered equipment from this week’s tragic plane crash in Ahmedabad, India, which could shed light on the final moments on the flight deck.

www.wral.com

'Experts' as usual are lining up to give their version of the possible reasons for the catastrophic failure of AI 171, or so the papers say. The fact that they can't even get their facts straight over who made the mayday call speaks volumes. I believe it was the F/O but several articles contradict that, so I could be wrong. So could they. Speculation over such an appalling tragedy at this stage is totally worthless, unless we are qualified in aircraft maintenance. And even those who are are saying that the pictures are too grainy to tell the exact position of flaps and undercart, although it does appear that the undercart was down for longer than it should have been. I saw the nose go up, presumably in an effort to pull up - does that make me an expert?

Of the more than 100,000 commercial flights PER DAY, it is nothing short of a miracle that this doesn't happen more often. Things like the loss of electrics the day before will no doubt have been satisfactorily fixed by maintenance and probably have no bearing whatever on this. So much scurrilous hearsay and making up of facts, not to mention whistleblowers with axes to grind. Perhaps we should just wiat until at least we have the outcome of the analyses of the black boxes before we tar Boeing, Air India, Capt Sabharwal or his F/O Kundar or anyone else with an unfair brush.