Flight to London Gatwick crashes at airport in India .June 12 th 2025

[indicolite22]

The black box from the crashed Air India Boeing 787 will go to the US for analysis. The recorder faced heavy damage, making data extraction in India impossible. The National Safety Transport Board in Washington will extract the data. India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau will receive the data. The United Kingdom will also be present during the investigation.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/india-to-send-damaged-black-box-of-crashed-air-india-787-aircraft-to-us-for-data-recovery/articleshow/121937414.cms

 

[PrairieWind]

The black box from the crashed Air India Boeing 787 will go to the US for analysis. The recorder faced heavy damage, making data extraction in India impossible. The National Safety Transport Board in Washington will extract the data. India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau will receive the data. The United Kingdom will also be present during the investigation.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/india-to-send-damaged-black-box-of-crashed-air-india-787-aircraft-to-us-for-data-recovery/articleshow/121937414.cms

It is interesting that one of the recorders was damaged that badly.

 

[thinker47]

"Air India crash latest: ​

Investigators find emergency power ​

likely came on before crash.​

Investigators probing the deadly crash of Air India flight 171
have found that
the aircraft’s emergency power system was likely active just before impact.

I believe it was noted as early as Day 2 that the RAT appeared to be active and that the surviving passenger had heard what was likely to be that activating before impact.

 

[thinker47]

It is interesting that one of the recorders was damaged that badly.

I assusmed that both FDRs carried the same info and that the second one was just a failsafe.

 

[vls12345]

Air India: Lone survivor lays brother to rest at emotional funeral

A visibly upset Ramesh was overcome with grief carrying his brother's coffin to the crematorium.

www.bbc.com

 

[vls12345]

Who are the victims of the Air India plane crash?

Details are still emerging, but these are the people so far confirmed by the BBC to have died.

www.bbc.com

 

[vls12345]

Air India: How the Boeing Dreamliner crash investigation is unfolding

Every scorched cable, nut and bolt will be examined along with the black box to determine why it went down 30 seconds after take-off.

www.bbc.com

Less than 40 seconds.

That's how long Air India Flight 171 was airborne before it plunged into a densely populated neighbourhood in Ahmedabad in one of India's most baffling aviation disasters in recent memory.

 

[vls12345]

Air India survivor makes sad admission after carrying brother’s coffin

The 40-year-old has spoken publicly for the first time since the horrific crash.

7news.com.au

Speaking publicly for the first time since the horrific incident, the sole survivor of the Air India crash says he feels immense survivor’s guilt over the death of his brother.

 

[Dotta]

Air India survivor makes sad admission after carrying brother’s coffin

The 40-year-old has spoken publicly for the first time since the horrific crash.

7news.com.au

He was given another chance from Fate not to feel guilty
but to do something wonderful with the rest if his life.
I hope he will attend psychotherapy.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

"Air India says ​

one engine on crashed plane was new.​

One of the engines of the Air India plane that crashed last week was new,
while the other was not due for servicing until December,
the airline's chairman has said.

In an interview with an Indian news channel,
N Chandrasekaran said that both engines of the aircraft had 'clean' histories.

'The right engine was a new engine put in March 2025.
The left engine was last serviced in 2023
and due for its next maintenance check in December 2025,'
he told Times Now channel."

Air India crash: N Chandrasekaran says one engine on plane was new - BBC News

The plane that crashed last week had a "clean" engine history, the airline's chairman told a TV channel.

www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Dotta]

"Civil aviation ministry ​

drafts rules to minimise flight path hazards​

in the wake of Air India crash.​

In response to the deadly 12 June Air India Boeing 787 crash,
India’s ministry of civil aviation has released draft rules –
Aircraft (Demolition of Obstructions) Rules, 2025 – to prevent flight path hazards.

The rules aim to empower authorities
to identify and remove buildings or trees exceeding permissible height limits near aerodromes,
the ministry said.

If the structure is found in violation,
aviation regulator DGCA or an authorised officer may order its demolition or height reduction,
with an additional 60-day extension possible only on valid grounds."

Air India latest: Airline says one engine was new; damaged black box to be sent to US

Indian aviation regulator finds no major safety flaws in Air India Dreamliners but flags maintenance and coordination issues

www.independent.co.uk

 

[CriLondon]

Navigating the impact of airborne dust on aircraft | Copernicus

Wind and weather conditions can whip up a mixture of sand and dust that can be carried for thousands of kilometres. A paper published today sheds light on how dust plumes in the vicinity of the world’s busiest airports can impact aircraft in different phases of flight.

atmosphere.copernicus.eu

This aircraft seemed to kick up quite a lot of dust during rotation . While I'm doubtful that one single event (unless very high quantities of sand/dust were ingested ) would cause a catastrophic double engine failure such as this one , it's worth noting the long term effects to repeated exposure and I found the article linked above quite interesting .

JMO as usual

 

[IQuestion]

On post #75 I entertained the thought of "extreme heat" possibly causing some kind of electrical failure. Temps on the dark colored tarmac: When the sun shines on it, tarmac (asphalt) can become significantly hotter than the surrounding air temperature. This difference can be anywhere from 25 to 60 degrees Fahrenheit warmer!!! Extreme heat can even cause the cancellation of flights:
The heat can affect aircraft performance, such as by reducing the amount of weight the plane can safely carry. It can even be too hot for a plane to take off.
This jet was loaded to the gills with fuel, passengers, payload and a 10 hour flight. The tarmac is "softer/slower", so longer take off distance is required, the air is "thinner" so it takes more thrust to
get sufficient lift under the wings. And now, the introduction of "possible vapor lock" has me thinking this tragedy didn't have "one issue" but a line of events, a domino affect, culminating in the worst outcome possible, IN MY OPINION. Please realize I am not an aeronautical engineer, but even I can understand the concept of extreme temperatures affecting the process of initiating take off. I remember when the opposite extreme weather required "deicing" of the wings. And, it had to be done in a certain time period or you had to re-deice before take off. (BTW, I won't fly any where during extreme cold...and now worried about the affects of extreme heat, too. Ugh. I am the quintessential white knuckled passenger and watching 24 seasons of "Air Disasters" on TV hasn't made it any easier. )

Can it be too hot for a plane to fly? How Phoenix is handling record heat

Extreme heat can ground airplanes, even though passenger jets are made to handle high temps. What to know if you're flying during this heat wave.

www.usatoday.com

Asphalt Temperatures and You - Sunrise Asphalt

Here in Arizona, Spring has just about fully left us […]

www.sunriseasphaltaz.com

 

[PrairieWind]

The real perplexing part of this crash is that it still appears, and seems supported by the Pilot's alleged last words, that both engines cut out simultaneously. Otherwise I think we would see the plan yaw or roll a bit, and that doesn't happen. Why would both engines lose thrust at the exact same time?

 

[Dotta]

According to an expert

"The engines shut down at exactly the same time.
If the difference was even two seconds,
there would have been a sharp deviation to the left or right.
The simultaneous shutdown of both engines
could only have occurred due to a software failure caused by
an erroneous signal from the sensors,
which could have resulted from an electrical failure."

Katastrofa samolotu Air India. Pogwizd wskazuje na możliwą przyczynę

Trwa ustalanie przyczyn katastrofy samolotu linii Air India, w której zginęło co najmniej 270 osób. Dziennikarze indyjskiej stacji NDTV poddali analizie nagrania sprzed tragedii i...

www.tvp.info

 

[PrairieWind]

According to an expert

"The engines shut down at exactly the same time.
If the difference was even two seconds,
there would have been a sharp deviation to the left or right.
The simultaneous shutdown of both engines
could only have occurred due to a software failure caused by
an erroneous signal from the sensors,
which could have resulted from an electrical failure."

Katastrofa samolotu Air India. Pogwizd wskazuje na możliwą przyczynę

Trwa ustalanie przyczyn katastrofy samolotu linii Air India, w której zginęło co najmniej 270 osób. Dziennikarze indyjskiej stacji NDTV poddali analizie nagrania sprzed tragedii i...

www.tvp.info

I guess they could also just down simultaneously if they were manually shut off together, either accidently or intentionally.

 

[333_OnlyHalfEvil]

I just want to bring up something about the survivor. I get the feeling there's some skepticism about him being relatively unharmed when the crash was so horrible and the death toll so high, both here and on other websites.

Sometimes things just line up like that. We've all heard the stories of the house fire that consumed everything down to the foundation, yet a bible is found in the ashes that's only lightly charred. Every once in awhile, there's a pocket that escapes the havoc and if you happen to be tucked into that pocket, well, good for you.

Remember on 9/11, the waving woman? She didn't even appear injured. My theory is that she had bent down for something against or near the side of the tower that was initially penetrated by the nose of the plane, and all the debris and devastation flew right over her and somehow missed her. She was in the pocket that morning.
Sometimes the holes in the Swiss cheese line up perfectly and a person or item slips through.

The poor guy is having a hard enough time without adding unfounded skepticism to the weight. He's already suffering greatly from survivor's guilt, I hope he can get the help he needs.

 

[indicolite22]

"It has been reported in certain media outlets that the CVR/DFDR from the ill-fated AI-171 flight is being sent abroad for retrieval and analysis. The decision regarding the location for decoding the flight recorders will be taken by the AAIB after due assessment of all technical, safety, and security considerations," the ministry said.

Civil Aviation Ministry denies reports that AI-171 black boxes will be sent abroad for decoding

The Civil Aviation Ministry has denied reports claiming that the black boxes of the crashed AI-171 flight will be sent abroad for decoding.

www.fortuneindia.com

The “Black Box Lab” under India’s Civil Aviation Ministry is currently analysing the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder retrieved from the wreckage of the ill-fated Air India AI-171 flight.

"If a need arises and the technology to decode the recorder is unavailable in our lab, then we may send it abroad for further investigations," a MoCA official said.

The ill-fated aircraft, a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, was equipped with dual black box systems—each comprising a Digital Flight Data Recorder (DFDR) and a Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR).

AI 171 crash: An upgrade for India’s own ‘Black Box Lab’ - BusinessToday

As the black box of Air India flight that crashed last week headed to US for analysis, India’s own state-of-the-art laboratory opened this year may require a technology upgrade post AI-171 crash.

www.businesstoday.in

 

[Dotta]

"More than 200 Air India crash victims identified, minister says.​

Indian authorities have identified over 200 victims of the 12 June Air India crash through DNA testing,
the Indian authorities said yesterday.

'As of 2pm, 202 DNA (samples) have been matched',
Mr Harsh Sanghavi,
Home Minister of Ahmedabad’s Gujarat state, wrote on X."

Air India latest: Airline says one engine was new; damaged black box to be sent to US

Indian aviation regulator finds no major safety flaws in Air India Dreamliners but flags maintenance and coordination issues

www.independent.co.uk

 

[PrairieWind]

I just want to bring up something about the survivor. I get the feeling there's some skepticism about him being relatively unharmed when the crash was so horrible and the death toll so high, both here and on other websites.

Sometimes things just line up like that. We've all heard the stories of the house fire that consumed everything down to the foundation, yet a bible is found in the ashes that's only lightly charred. Every once in awhile, there's a pocket that escapes the havoc and if you happen to be tucked into that pocket, well, good for you.

Remember on 9/11, the waving woman? She didn't even appear injured. My theory is that she had bent down for something against or near the side of the tower that was initially penetrated by the nose of the plane, and all the debris and devastation flew right over her and somehow missed her. She was in the pocket that morning.
Sometimes the holes in the Swiss cheese line up perfectly and a person or item slips through.

The poor guy is having a hard enough time without adding unfounded skepticism to the weight. He's already suffering greatly from survivor's guilt, I hope he can get the help he needs.

I hadn't heard that some were doubting his story. That is too bad. There isn't much to doubt. There is no question he was on the plane and that he survived. People would have to be very cruel to question his story. Its not like he chose to have this happen. I can't even imagine how he must feel. He lost his brother in the blink of an eye and I can't imagine the horror and chaos of those few moments.