margarita25
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Florida - Coronavirus Covid-19 #2
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DeSantis/Florida is suing the CDC & the Federal Government
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Suing for what?
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Michigan has had extensive lockdowns and extremely high COVID stats. Florida has been open and free with low COVID stats.
I feel much safer in Florida with Governor DeSantis.
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It's disappointing when people who claimed the scientific high ground, last year, are so reluctant to admit that maybe they got some things wrong. AZ is similar to FL - when Governor Ducey pulled the plug on Covid he was accused of committing crimes against humanity. When the predicted apocalypse never materialized, all of the doomsayers vanished.
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Cruise lines and Florida Gov. DeSantis square off over vaccine passports (nbcnews.com)
Cruise lines are eager to set sail, but a new law championed by Gov. Ron DeSantis banning so-called vaccine passports may keep them anchored.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is on a collision course with one of the state's biggest industries over a law he signed banning businesses from asking customers whether they've been vaccinated against Covid-19.
Cruise ship operators, who sail out of Florida's large southern ports, say the order will make it make it harder for them to safely return to the seas, possibly imperiling a major economic driver in the state...
Cruise lines are eager to set sail, but a new law championed by Gov. Ron DeSantis banning so-called vaccine passports may keep them anchored.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is on a collision course with one of the state's biggest industries over a law he signed banning businesses from asking customers whether they've been vaccinated against Covid-19.
Cruise ship operators, who sail out of Florida's large southern ports, say the order will make it make it harder for them to safely return to the seas, possibly imperiling a major economic driver in the state...
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I guess I cannot say what I would like to about DeSantis
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Not surprised.
Fired Florida employee, Rebekah Jones, gets whistleblower status - NBC2 News
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A former Florida Department of Health employee has received whistleblower status a year after being fired for repeatedly violating the agency’s policy about communicating with the media.
The employee, Rebekah Jones, had raised questions about Florida’s COVID-19 data after being ousted as the data’s curator. State officials said she was fired for insubordination after being reprimanded several times, according to state records.
The Miami Herald reported that the Office of the Inspector General told her attorneys on Friday that “the information disclosed does meet the criteria for whistleblower status as described by … Florida statutes.”
Fired Florida employee, Rebekah Jones, gets whistleblower status - NBC2 News
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A former Florida Department of Health employee has received whistleblower status a year after being fired for repeatedly violating the agency’s policy about communicating with the media.
The employee, Rebekah Jones, had raised questions about Florida’s COVID-19 data after being ousted as the data’s curator. State officials said she was fired for insubordination after being reprimanded several times, according to state records.
The Miami Herald reported that the Office of the Inspector General told her attorneys on Friday that “the information disclosed does meet the criteria for whistleblower status as described by … Florida statutes.”
She wasn’t fired for speaking to the media. She was fired for altering data. She was making changes based on her opinion rather than the facts. She has been dismissed for insubordination. She was intentionally making changes that were not correct.
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I don't really think that it will make any difference in her termination status. I believe that she was a probationary employee, new hire. So, basically they can fire her for anything and not get blowback.
The "Whistle-blower" status won't change anything. We can "infer" that her termination was based on retaliation, but unless there is a paper trail, with clear evidence, it really doesn't matter much. Government likes that "whistle-blower" status when it is referring to outside entities, like when an employee of a Wall Street company breaks a rule regarding Security and Exchange. They LOVE those types of "whistle-blowers".
Internal government whistle-blowers, not so much.
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Florida. doesn't have "low COVID stats." Check out today's stats. It's got the highest case rate in the nation. While it is. true that many of. the cases in Florida are youthful (so fewer deaths), we have to remember that young people are suffering cardiac damage from COVID. Huge issue. As many as 6% have significant heart damage that may affect longevity and certainly will warrant lifelong observation.
Michigan had 8. deaths yesterday, Florida had 36. Michigan. has half the number of. people, so. we have to factor that. If Florida had Michigan's death rate, it would have. had 16 deaths.
Then of course, there's the under-reporting in FL, and now reporting from FL is intermittent (hospitals and coroners still report to the CDC, but DeSantis won't report state level stats any more, so it's not clear if care facilities are reported in these numbers).
Florida and New York have roughly the same number of people, so that's a better comparison. New York had 12 deaths yesterday (one-third of Florida's).
Not that Michigan is all that safe - it's hard to understand what the heck is going on in Michigan, but lockdown compliance (according to Google analytics) was low there - so roughly. the same as FL. Both states have had a rough spring and early summer - with Michigan showing some real abatement (only 329 cases yesterday, compared to Florida's 2,237 - making Florida's case rate the. highest in the nation. California had about 1000 cases but is about twice the size of Florida, so if Florida had California's rate, it would have had only 500 cases.
Florida really should be at 500 cases right now.
And I thought that Floridian was fired for refusing to change data (and reverting to what the hospitals and coroners were actually reporting). Funny how narratives morph over time.
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This indicates a difference of 14 deaths per 100K people between CA and FL. Once this is over, and all of the numbers can be tallied, I suspect we will find that draconian mitigations had a marginal effect and people will debate whether that difference was worth the State dictating human behavior, versus people making their own decisions regarding the risk.
I know people in AZ who were disgusted that their fellow citizens access to bars and restaurants was not curtailed, even though they were free to stay home. I also know people in CA who were disgusted at being subjected to closures. Which level of disgust was deeper may be revealed in migration. It feels like there's an exodus from CA to AZ, but we will have to wait for the data to be certain.
I know people in AZ who were disgusted that their fellow citizens access to bars and restaurants was not curtailed, even though they were free to stay home. I also know people in CA who were disgusted at being subjected to closures. Which level of disgust was deeper may be revealed in migration. It feels like there's an exodus from CA to AZ, but we will have to wait for the data to be certain.
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My opinion, is that many more deaths happened in Florida than have been documented, due to the byzantine data collection methods.
Person dies in FL of Covid.
1. Was the death actually documented as Covid? Many died, no autopsy, shrug, over age 80, flu, pneumonia, whatever is on their chart. Covid tests were not done post mortem. So, the data is not comprehensive.
2. Was the death attributed to Florida? Many people who live in FL, have other residences, so, was the "Covid Death", attributed to FL? Or the other residence?
The data set is skewed from the beginning. Completely useless. And excess death rates, which would be the only real analysis, has become "Top Secret" information. Normally, widely available, now, not just routinely uploaded on county sites, as it was before.
If anything there were more deaths attributed to COVID in Florida than was true. A few cases were revealed by family and corrections were made on their death certificates. One was a man that died in a motorcycle accident. He tested positive for COVID so his death was listed as a COVID death. When family received the certificate they brought it to the attention of others to get it fixed. Another was an illness that listed COVID as the death but family said it wasn’t.
Crash victim reported as COVID-19 death
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Which illustrates the fact, again, that the entire data set is suspect.
Higher or lower? We don't know. Useless data.
Honestly, I trust the data in my state much more than the cdcreports simply because of the cdc admitting that they were being “generous” in naming COVID as cause of death, admitting that even a suspicion of exposure to COVID was being attributed to COVID.
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Excess deaths seem to be the best indicator. We have stories, here, as well, about people that fell in a wood chipper and were listed as Covid deaths, but our excess death count is higher than Covid deaths.
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Can you link where the CDC reported that a "suspicion of exposure to COVID was being attributed to COVID". Does that mean attributed to COVID death? to COVID diagnosis? or to the fact that if someone has exposure and symptoms after being exposed, folks should be suspicious of COVID and go get a test? Not sure what is meant by post without a link.
Umm, just for clarification. The states report TO the CDC the numbers and statistics they have do they not? e.g. on deaths form is https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf
And using your motorcycle example, perhaps that one that Fox News highlighted is indeed incorrect mistake by coroner following guidelines and they put in Part I (immediate and underlying cause) or Part II (other significant conditions contributing to death). http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseas...lance/_documents/covid-19-case-definition.pdf .
Of the 600,000 reported deaths in the US, I do believe that there are some mistakes. But in totality, I don't think massive fraud to "overturn" the reality of the pandemic and call it a hoax etc. At this point, I'm looking more at trends in the numbers and things settle in as standard reporting over the long term.
As to other world countries, that's another conversation.
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The CDC openly stated that only 6% of deaths were strictly COVID. The rest were underlying causes with COVID as well. So far as considering even suspected cases, that too comes from the CDC. It instructs them to list COVID as a cause of death even without a positive test. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
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Ah, everything I see now clearly - and might be MOO misleading to those new to following, so I'll expound a little.
Thanks for the April 2020 link. That was on the cusp of even having COVID testing available in the US, so now I understand why the quote seemed so off. It was due to the fact that way back then, the testing wasn't available as it is now. In the beginning without testing, folks were depending on xrays and symptoms etc etc etc.
And yes, just a COVD + test doesn't kill someone. So having 6% die without pneumonia, or ARDS, or etc etc etc which folks die of when the disease progresses makes sense to me. It's almost always MOO moved into a secondary stage and tertiary stage of the disease for the virus to KILL someone. And by that time, it's the cascade events that does the killing, not the virus itself. MOO I would expect that 94% die of the secondary effects (pneumonia, heart failure, ARDS, etc etc)
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