Focusing Solely on Cindy's Inconsistencies

[MAMABEAR]

Hummm, did she also say she would look under every rock, fallen leaf and muck to look? No, I didn't think so.

And did she go under cover of night knocking on doors ..... Nope, she did not. What IS her definition of nook and cranny? :waitasec:

Don't be so hard on CA----sheesh---she did send DC out to look under leaves.

 

[ZsaZsa]

From the same interview as above..
CINDY ANTHONY: I haven't had a chance to sit down and talk to Casey about, you know, a lot of different things, and I'm sure we'll have a big conversation when I have the opportunity to do so. You know, lying is not a criminal offense. You know, lying doesn't mean that you're a murderer

Actually lying is a criminal offense it is called obstructing....

A lifetime of lying without any consequence is part of what brought Casey to her present predicament.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I watched the exhausting FBI interview with Cindy again and EVEN when Cindy admits Cassey is lying - and trying to decided if "zanny" might be Ricardo and Amy, vice versa with a little bit of Zanny's roomate Jennifer mixed in (Amy is tall and blonde; supposedly Jennifer is tall and blonde)...
she still finds a way to EXCUSE Casey's tall tales by saying she is scared and trying to give them "clues". It's one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen.

Then when they are quizzing her about Casey, she interjects herself into it constantly - as in, Casey is the "mother" figure of her friends, taking care of them...I WAS LIKE THAT TOO YOU KNOW..blah blah on & on about herself. Same thing when talking about Casey's personality and values...I AM LIKE THAT TOO, I WILL STICK UP FOR SOMEONE IF THEY ARE BEING WRONGED...LIKE THIS ONE TIME, blah blah on & on about herself.

That is just weird.

Cindy has been Keyser Söze(d) by Casey. All these "clues" are just lies borrowed from events in her life. You can see how she just piles on the lies and her (stupid???) parents believe it. Cindy said Casey never had a problem with lying until just recently. She doesn't mention the stealing etc. but tries to paint Casey as a normal good daughter. Cindy's got issues.

I wish Cindy would watch her own interview again and see how incredulous her theories are. If Casey actually knew anything she wouldn't give clues, she'd give real information.

Perhaps the veil is starting to wear thin and the A's are backing off. One can only hope that reality will someday come into focus for Cindy and George.

The fact that she was 7 months pregnant and denying sex never occurred to Cindy as being worrisome either. No lies there obviously.
The whole family is so conceited it boggles the mind.

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS


Since we are talking about inconsistencies...in the first quote Cindy states "If I have to go out myself"...only if huh?...and look for this child(what child?, oh, THIS child)...okay...we believe you Cindy...go for it! But, wait we have an inconsistency with RG's statement from George that Cindy does not want him looking for Caylee. And we have the inconsistent behavior where neither George nor Cindy looked anywhere for Caylee, unless you count LKL and their front lawn. So by their own actions we should believe that Cindy did not want them looking for Caylee. Maybe the "if" was because they had hired a private detective and he was out looking...


(Snip Respect:Searchfortruth)

"If I have to go out myself, door to door, and look for this child, until the day I die, I will walk every inch of this earth and open every door and knock on every door everyday and I will look in every nook and cranny," Cynthia said.

Richard Grund
September 5th, 2008

RG: But I left the message for George and here was the message: George, I'm getting ready to shake the trees to see if I can find Caylee, please tell me if anything I'm going to do is going to endanger her. George immediately called me and said he wanted to talk to me, he wasn't avoiding me, here's the answer to your question as to why I'm not doing what you think I should be doing and he said, "because my wife doesn't want me to."
(skip)
LE: So when George said something about her wife, er, Cindy not letting him, how did you take that?
RG: I knew, I knew it was probably true. From being around them from knowing what went on before hand, my perception of that household is, again this is uh, uh, a regular person but is also a minister I've been doing this for twenty years. Um, its a household that Cindy rules, the only thing that gets done is what Cindy wants done and that's the way it is and George, ah, made some mistakes in the past, ah, the gambling which you all know about which he talked to me about, and he basically in my opinion had been emasculated since that point. So what ever Cindy wants is what Cindy gets.

...jmo...

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

This portion of statements will go far in showing the inconsistencies in Cindy's statements re: Casey as a mother, Cindy and Casey's relationship, Casey as a daughter, Cindy's intentions toward Caylee re: wanting custody of Caylee.

July 29, 2008
Statement to LE(Lee Anthony)

LA: So every time my mother would go outside I'd try to ask something to my sister that maybe she wouldn't feel comfortable saying in front of my mom. You know, asking what's going on? You know, what's the deal? And she still maintained everything but she would say, when, that's when she opened up to me and said, uh, uhm, "Mom has uhm, thrown it in my face many times before that I'm an unfit mother and you know, maybe she's right and maybe I am." She offered up to me for the first time that uhm, my mother has referred, said to my sister that uhm, even through Caylee's been the best thing and the best mistake that she was indeed a mistake. That she was Casey's mistake. Uhm...
LE: Now Casey's telling you that mom said this to her?
LA: To Casey, yes.
LE: I see
LA: But she did not give me any indication on was there any uhm, period of time when this happened...
LE: Did it almost seem like an overall theme that she's...
LA: Yes
LE: ...carrying with her that her mother was disappointed in her...
LA: Right
LE: ...because of...
LA: Or maybe not feel like Casey is being the mother that she should be towards Caylee.
LE: There had to be uh, there has to be, whether its intentional or what, I know my mother has said on numerous occasions to me and even to uh, Yuri and the other, and the other guys that uhm, she feels Casey has some sort of resentment to my mother. That my mother has always been the provider for Caylee, even down to the extent that my mother was the first person to hold Caylee when she came out of the womb. So, my mom is convinced that my sister holds some, some kind of resentment to her.

July 24th, 2008
Statement to LE(George Anthony)

GA: And then she piles on some other stuff, yeah, there's, this is going to sound really crazy at this point, but my wife and I still believe that Casey still resents my wife that day that our granddaughter was born. The did not hand my granddaughter to my...
LE: Casey?
GA: Yes, Casey, she went to my, went to my wife. My wife says, "no, no, no that's got to go." Well, they couldn't give it to her because she was being stitched up.
LE: Right
GA: So she mentioned a couple of different times, she said, "Caylee cares for your more from a mom than she does me." We never said that, Cindy never said she was the mom I never said I was the dad or anything like that. So, they've had their moments. I haven't been around all the times they've gotten into it but...

Statement to LE(Rick Plesae)
August 21st, 2008

RP: She hasn't worked there for a year and a half(universal). Well then my mom told me that uh, Cindy had threatened Casey with, with taking Caylee away from her.
(Whispering in background: inaudible)
RP: ...at least two or three times.
LE: Uh-hum
RP: Because Cindy was so upset that Casey had done this that I guess Cindy had went to a counselor to talk about it and the counselor said, "just kick them out on the street, you don't have to put up with, with your daughter. She's over eighteen kick her out on the street."
(skip)
RP: So that's how, that's how I know that, anyway, uhm, the counselor had told uhm, Cindy, "just kick them out on the street" and Cindy wouldn't do that. She goes, "uh, what about Caylee?" She says, "Can't, I can't kick my granddaughter out on the street and, and because Casey would try to take her." And finally the counselor said, "Well, you need to file for custody."
LE: Uh-hum
RP: So I know, I know Cindy a couple times had threatened Casey, this is through my mom, that if Casey didn't behave and straighten up she would throw her out on the street and file for custody.
LE: And she told you this? Did Cindy tell you this, or is this coming from Shirley, I mean your mom?
RP: This is coming from my mom.
LE: Okay
RP: My mom said, I said, Mom, are you, I talked to my mom yesterday and I go, I went through all these because I knew I was going to be talking to you guys. And I said, mom I need to know, I said, how many times? And she said at least two or three that she definitely got in fights with, with Casey uh, about, about taking Caylee off of her. So I know Cindy is not telling you the whole truth here...
LE: Right
RP: ...of what happened. And she, so when Casey first took Caylee away Cindy told my mom she just thought Casey took Caylee to punish her, or you know, just being uhm, you know, threatening her all the time and, and uh, but Cindy didn't think a whole lot about you know, that, that Caylee's well being was, was ever going to be in jeopardy. She just thought Casey took her, first Casey I guess made up a story that she was on vacation in Tampa. Well first she said she was working in Tampa, and then she said she was on vacation...
LE: Yeah
RP: ...with some other family who, that had a little kid and all that. That was all b.s. too. Well, anyway, as it, as it came out uhm, Casey never, never came back. Well, I guess she did come back to the house a few times, but they still never, even suspected anything happened.
LE: They just thought that she was gone out of spite and that's it?
RP: Well, yeah, that, that Casey was just holding her off and, and said that, "oh, she's with uh, the babysitter or some, or something that just wasn't uhm, convenient for her to talk to Cindy. You know, to let Caylee talk to Cindy.
LE: Did, did, did Cindy ever call you about what was going on? Say hey, you know Rick I...
RP: Well
LE: ...I really don't know what to do? Uh, she's, she's never done it this long before? Or had she done that, the, before this duration? Do you now any thing about that?
RP: Uh, during the period that she was missing...
LE: Uh-hum
RP: Uh, I, I ,none of the family knew that, that uhm, Caylee was missing, or Casey had even left the house.
(skip)
LE: Right, on that, on that note, well how would you describe from what you know about the relationship between Cindy and Casey? Uhm, we've heard varying stories from different people regarding uh, the contentiousness of their relationship. How would you describe it?
RP: I would describe it as Casey resented Cindy. She resented Cindy to the point where she could see that Caylee likes Cindy way better than she likes her. And, and, to me that was normal for a baby to like the grandma, because the grandmas always like spoil, spoil kids, you know?
LE: Right

Statment to LE(Shirley Plesae)
August 21st, 2008

LE: Well let me, let me ask you this. Do you remember when uh, I guess it must have been after you, remember Cindy went to see a counselor?
SP: Yeah
LE: And what, what, what did Cindy tell you about the conversation and then what the counselor had told her to do?
SP: She told her to kick Casey's out, uh-huh.
LE: Uh-hum
SP: And uh, you know, let her go on her own. And Cindy said, "I couldn't do that, I can't you know, I can't leave my granddaughter out on the street and I don't want my daughter out on the street."
LE: Uh-hum
SP : So that was not a, that was not a solution for her, so she quit going to the counselor.
LE: Did they make any suggestions on how uh, uh, and uh, did they ever suggest to Cindy about taking custody of Caylee?
SP: Oh, Cindy had told me a couple of times that one of these times she was going to get it. And she told Casey, I think pretty close to the time when she ran off, I wouldn't be surprised.
LE: Uh-hum
LE: Did, were, did you think that Cindy was serious? She was that concerned?
SP: Well uh, Cindy would have took that kid in a minute. She would but...
LE: She was very motherly to Caylee?
SPL Yeah, Caylee was her life, and I'll tell you, she would have even let Casey live with her but she would have guardianship of, she would have been in charge of Caylee. But she was a good enough mom...
LE: Uh-hum
SP: ...to Casey, regardless of what she did there, that she would have made a home there for her too but she wanted to be in charge of Caylee.
LE: What uh, what did Cindy tell you, when she first called you when Caylee went missing, what did she tell you the reason that Casey and Caylee left were?
SP: That they left?
LE: (inaudible)
SP: I have no idea. I didn't even know they had an argument.


...jmo...

 

[Shear22]

Hello WS

This portion of statements will go far in showing the inconsistencies in Cindy's statements re: Casey as a mother, Cindy and Casey's relationship, Casey as a daughter, Cindy's intentions toward Caylee re: wanting custody of Caylee.


Statement to LE(Rick Plesae)
August 21st, 2008

RP: She hasn't worked there for a year and a half(universal). Well then my mom told me that uh, Cindy had threatened Casey with, with taking Caylee away from her.
(Whispering in background: inaudible)
RP: ...at least two or three times.

(snipped)

RP: ...of what happened. And she, so when Casey first took Caylee away Cindy told my mom she just thought Casey took Caylee to punish her, or you know, just being uhm, you know, threatening her all the time and, and uh, but Cindy didn't think a whole lot about you know, that, that Caylee's well being was, was ever going to be in jeopardy. She just thought Casey took her, first Casey I guess made up a story that she was on vacation in Tampa. Well first she said she was working in Tampa, and then she said she was on vacation...
LE: Yeah
RP: ...with some other family who, that had a little kid and all that. That was all b.s. too. Well, anyway, as it, as it came out uhm, Casey never, never came back. Well, I guess she did come back to the house a few times, but they still never, even suspected anything happened.
LE: They just thought that she was gone out of spite and that's it?
RP: Well, yeah, that, that Casey was just holding her off and, and said that, "oh, she's with uh, the babysitter or some, or something that just wasn't uhm, convenient for her to talk to Cindy. You know, to let Caylee talk to Cindy.

First of all, thanks Chiquita for pulling all of these interviews together. LA, GA, RP and SP all seem to give similar versions of the same situation: KC resented CA's relationship with Caylee and CA was unhappy with KC's lack of mothering skills. From all accounts we get the idea that fights and flare ups about this happened all the time in that house. I pulled this portion of Rick's interview in particular because it gives the clearest account of the back and forth threats between mother and daughter. I imagine that something along the lines of the following conversation played out more than once in the Anthony house:

CA: You're not fit to be a mother. You don't take care of Caylee and all you care about is going out. I'm going to file for custody and kick you to the curb.
KC: I'm unfit? I'm not nearly as bad a mother as you are. I'll take Caylee away and you'll never see her again.

Poor Caylee, fought over by two women, neither of whom capable of loving anyone in a healthy way.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Hummm, did she also say she would look under every rock, fallen leaf and muck to look? No, I didn't think so.

And did she go under cover of night knocking on doors ..... Nope, she did not. What IS her definition of nook and cranny? :waitasec:

Yeah,.. "searching every nook and cranny", they were within rock throwing distance of where the remains were found. Not only did they not search one nook or cranny they didn't take to kindly to Tim M. and his friends doing so either. Maybe when this video was made she was thinking of a thorough search, but VERY soon after she decided the best way to handle it would be to keep the "Caylee is alive" mantra going forever. Thankfully a higher power stepped in and put a stop to that nonsense !

 

[essies]

Yeah,.. "searching every nook and cranny", they were within rock throwing distance of where the remains were found. Not only did they not search one nook or cranny they didn't take to kindly to Tim M. and his friends doing so either. Maybe when this video was made she was thinking of a thorough search, but VERY soon after she decided the best way to handle it would be to keep the "Caylee is alive" mantra going forever. Thankfully a higher power stepped in and put a stop to that nonsense !

If I were Cindy, or any of the other A's, I would be more afraid of this "higher power" than anyone or anything else. Even if by some remote chance KC got away with this horrendous crime and the A's somehow skate on their lies and obstruction of this crime-they haven't gotten away with it! SOMEDAY they will have to face the One who holds our eternity in his hand-what will they say then?

 

[LambChop]

If I were Cindy, or any of the other A's, I would be more afraid of this "higher power" than anyone or anything else. Even if by some remote chance KC got away with this horrendous crime and the A's somehow skate on their lies and obstruction of this crime-they haven't gotten away with it! SOMEDAY they will have to face the One who holds our eternity in his hand-what will they say then?

Maybe something like, "Lying is not a criminal offense!" :banghead:

 

[Kat]

First of all, thanks Chiquita for pulling all of these interviews together. LA, GA, RP and SP all seem to give similar versions of the same situation: KC resented CA's relationship with Caylee and CA was unhappy with KC's lack of mothering skills. From all accounts we get the idea that fights and flare ups about this happened all the time in that house. I pulled this portion of Rick's interview in particular because it gives the clearest account of the back and forth threats between mother and daughter. I imagine that something along the lines of the following conversation played out more than once in the Anthony house:

CA: You're not fit to be a mother. You don't take care of Caylee and all you care about is going out. I'm going to file for custody and kick you to the curb.
KC: I'm unfit? I'm not nearly as bad a mother as you are. I'll take Caylee away and you'll never see her again.

Poor Caylee, fought over by two women, neither of whom capable of loving anyone in a healthy way.

Shear22 I agree, and IMHO I'm also seeing CA resented the relationship between KC and Caylee too. I see a tug of war also as you stated, Caylee was the prize. It reminds me of the Judgement of Solomon.

Except that in this case, one of the "mothers" fulfilled the statement: It shall be neither mine nor yours. Divide it. (I bring that not as a biblical quote but a parable relevant to this case IMHO).

KC made sure that Caylee would never be her Mother's child.

A quote comes to my mind: The soil of bitterness is a heart that harbors hostility (unsure of where the quote comes from, just had it tucked in the back of mind for a while now).

 

[MAMABEAR]

You know---this part of RP's interview bothered me:
"RP: So that's how, that's how I know that, anyway, uhm, the counselor had told uhm, Cindy, "just kick them out on the street" and Cindy wouldn't do that. She goes, "uh, what about Caylee?" She says, "Can't, I can't kick my granddaughter out on the street and, and because Casey would try to take her." And finally the counselor said, "Well, you need to file for custody."

I don't think RP or SP would lie about this---but they said it came from CA. I doubt most e-thang that comes out of CA's mouth. I just can't put much faith into what CA says. But just "IF she did go to a counselor---can you see a counselor telling somebody to kick your daughter out on the street? I can't! I can see one telling CA to get help for KC. There are ways to deal with "problem" peeps---or something mental. I can see one telling CA maybe it is time for KC to get out of the house to start her own life. If she did go to a counselor (work maybe---just chatting in the coffee room) I know for a fact that it wasn't meant for CA to be her normal combative self when she talked to KC about moving out. CA would have done it in "CA's WAY OF DOIN STUFF". Maybe I'm thinking and wording all this "in a backwards sort of way". Maybe there wasn't even a counselor. That hasn't been proven.

 

[Imbackon]

I can easily see a counselor or psychiatrist telling someone to kick an adult child out of the house. If your children are harming you, physically, mentally or in whatever way negatively, it would be a reasonable thing to do.

 

[magic-cat]

Counseling...a tricky business. For one thing, when the patient lies continually to the counselor, then the advice that the counselor gives them may not be sound. I know I took my sister to a Psychiatrist and a Psychologist for FIVE YEARS and for FIVE YEARS she lied through her teeth to that counselor, and put all of her problems off on her children. Of course, the counselors advice was to throw the kids out, put them in foster homes, send them to juvenille detention, etc...when in FACT my sisters problem was NOT her children, it was a married man who was her boyfriend and for whom she was a drug dealer and for whom she also turned both of her children INTO drug dealers. So you see, the counselor is at a distinct disadvantage if the patient tells lies, and as we all know, oh lord how well we know, Cindy is the queen of lies and Casey is the princess.

 

[Searchfortruth]

This is a post from Mitzi, it was over on the Diary thread and I thought it raised such a good question that it belonged here too. I was given permission to post it here. Bolded by me.


Interesting how they said that Cindy was reading KC's diary to look for any clues...if the diary was from 2003, as the facing page showed, in the pic we saw, why would Cindy be looking for clues there...I agree...Cindy tore out the missing pages and this diary was from 2008!

These early videos are extremely interesting to watch now!

 

[Searchfortruth]

An "inconsistency" I noticed with the FBI interview and, I believe, the last interview she did with OCSO, is concerning the video tape of the little girl in the Orlando airport. When she was talking to OCSO she asked them about this video, Jose had asked for the video, and one of the detectives said there were tape over issues. Well, in her interview w/ the FBI she said that OCSO said it was not Caylee in the video, but that she had a friend that worked for the airport and "this friend" told her there were tape over issues. So Cindy like.

 

[Sundance]

This is a post from Mitzi, it was over on the Diary thread and I thought it raised such a good question that it belonged here too. I was given permission to post it here. Bolded by me.


Interesting how they said that Cindy was reading KC's diary to look for any clues...if the diary was from 2003, as the facing page showed, in the pic we saw, why would Cindy be looking for clues there...I agree...Cindy tore out the missing pages and this diary was from 2008!

These early videos are extremely interesting to watch now!

But then wouldn't she have torn out the pages that everyone read? Why would she leave those?

Kinda makes you wonder what was torn out doesn't it?

KWIM? If anyone tore out any pages, why in the world would they leave the pages they did? Heck, why not just throw out the whole damn book?

Was this some sort of control issue with CA you think? Maybe going to use this to lay a guilt trip down? LookWhatIDidForYouAndYouHaveTheNerveToNotDoThisONELittleThingForMe

I don't remember, but maybe you guys will, were those pages we saw the only pages in the book/journal?

 

[JBean]

But then wouldn't she have torn out the pages that everyone read? Why would she leave those?

Kinda makes you wonder what was torn out doesn't it?

KWIM? If anyone tore out any pages, why in the world would they leave the pages they did? Heck, why not just throw out the whole damn book?

Was this some sort of control issue with CA you think? Maybe going to use this to lay a guilt trip down? LookWhatIDidForYouAndYouHaveTheNerveToNotDoThisONELittleThingForMe

I don't remember, but maybe you guys will, were those pages we saw the only pages in the book/journal?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80308&highlight=missing

 

[jeepgirlva]

But then wouldn't she have torn out the pages that everyone read? Why would she leave those?

Kinda makes you wonder what was torn out doesn't it?

KWIM? If anyone tore out any pages, why in the world would they leave the pages they did? Heck, why not just throw out the whole damn book?

Was this some sort of control issue with CA you think? Maybe going to use this to lay a guilt trip down? LookWhatIDidForYouAndYouHaveTheNerveToNotDoThisONELittleThingForMe

I don't remember, but maybe you guys will, were those pages we saw the only pages in the book/journal?

Good question i wonder if Cindy saved them so she could sell them down the line to a book company or tabloid....I think she would throw KC under the bus for money...

 

[Searchfortruth]

But then wouldn't she have torn out the pages that everyone read? Why would she leave those?

Kinda makes you wonder what was torn out doesn't it?

KWIM? If anyone tore out any pages, why in the world would they leave the pages they did? Heck, why not just throw out the whole damn book?

Was this some sort of control issue with CA you think? Maybe going to use this to lay a guilt trip down? LookWhatIDidForYouAndYouHaveTheNerveToNotDoThisONELittleThingForMe

I don't remember, but maybe you guys will, were those pages we saw the only pages in the book/journal?

Makes me wonder, that's for sure. I believe Cindy said "journals" when she said she had been looking through them for clues. Maybe there is another one that we don't know about yet, but LE does ?

 

[Pattymarie]

Just wondering....do you think RN Cindy was just denying the very obvious 7 month pregnant, small-framed daughter to her brother, Rick at his wedding or was she denying it all together, even to herself?

I would really like to know the facts about the day Casey went into labor. Were they prepared? Did she have an obstetrician? Had she had any pre-natal care? All we know is that GA said the baby was first handed to Cindy, so therefore GA and CA had to have been there.

So, at least by the time she went into labor, somebody in the family was admitting she was pregnant. And prior to the birth, Jesse G was in the picture...for how long? He and his family knew she was pregnant? So why lie/deny to brother Rick?

If Cindy, the RN is blatant as to deny and lie about an obvious pregnancy, irrefutable evidence of sex (just like Casey denying the dog poop right in front of her) she will never, despite all the evidence admit to Casey killing Cayleel Never