Focusing Solely on Cindy's Inconsistencies

[Pondering Mind]

Wasn't it Shirley who said to LE, in her interview, that she initially was told the money that Cindy had to take from her 401K to repay what was owed was because of Casey ?

That's what I recall as well. But of course, Cindy certainly wouldn't admit to that now. In her depo with JM, it was like pulling teeth to get her to admit that KC had ever stolen anything! :liar:

 

[essies]

IMO...they knew IMMEDIATELY from the moment they got the car that Casey was responsible for something "horrible". Initially, Cindy no doubt thought that Casey was keeping Caylee away just to spite her. I'm believing this more and more. Casey was withholding...a very abusive behavior. What Cindy realized when she got the notice for the car was that this was VERY MUCH more than Casey being her nasty 'ole self. EVERYTHING afterwards IMO is pure fabrication on Cindy's part. She never believed there was a Nanny...NEVER IMHO!

They didn't believe ALOT of stuff-but-they tolerated it! Sure they yelled at each other-blew off steam. But, they all have their skeletons-so when KC got yelled at-she yelled back like "Oh yeah-what about you!"! And then everyone backs off-cause they all have dirty laundry they don't want someone to bring up!
The only time it went too far is when KC started messing with the Grandparents money! That was crossing the line! IMO

 

[RR0004]

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They didn't believe ALOT of stuff-but-they tolerated it! Sure they yelled at each other-blew off steam. But, they all have their skeletons-so when KC got yelled at-she yelled back like "Oh yeah-what about you!"! And then everyone backs off-cause they all have dirty laundry they don't want someone to bring up!
The only time it went too far is when KC started messing with the Grandparents money! That was crossing the line! IMO

I guess what really makes my blood boil is that she expects us to believe each and every "inconsistency". I think that must have been one helluva household.

 

[MAMABEAR]

So---tell me---> Will CA ever be held accountable for her Inconsistencies? Will she go forward with the Inconsistencies if the new foundations? Will she ever go to jail for all she has done in this case?

 

[Tuffy]

So---tell me---> Will CA ever be held accountable for her Inconsistencies? Will she go forward with the Inconsistencies if the new foundations? Will she ever go to jail for all she has done in this case?

This I would like to know too. This is what fascinates me about this case. I saw Cindy on Greta where she said to Greta "don't ask me tough questions, because I might pass out." or something to that effect.

I googled the case and found WS, and have been here ever since.

The blatant lying done by the family is crazy. Casey's stories would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that a child has been murdered.

Certainly this cannot be acceptable to so openly thumb your nose at law enforcement?

 

[Searchfortruth]

Here's the portion of Shirley's interview where the money issue is discussed....

YM, "But there are, there are certain things that, and that your son brought up, and that I remember Cindy mentioning at first, although now she's kind of going back on it, that are important."

SP, "About what hon ?"

YM, "About, well about Casey stealing from family."

SP, "Yeah"

YM, "And taking so much that they had to go into their 401k."

SP, "Oh well she's telling me now that uh, she did the 401k thing because, a few years ago she had a problem with George."

YM, "Well we know about the problem with George."

SP, "Okay"

SB, "We know about the problem with George."

YM, "Yeah"

SB, "And it didn't have anything to do with the 401k at this point."

SP, "No. But I mean she said she had to you know, pay a lot of those bills back."

YM, "Yeah, but what, what was the first reason she told you she needed to get into the 401k ? Was that it, or was it because Casey was stealing a lot of money that they were, they were going to lose their home again ?"

SP, "Oh, well see she never told me any of that stuff because she'd known I had my hands full worying about Dad."

YM, "True, true"

SP, "So, uh..."

SB, "She first, she first told you, what you told us a minute ago, she first told you it was about trying to pay the bills off that Casey had run up."

SP, "Yeah"

SB," And then she told you later it was about George ?"

Then, Shirley goes into talking about all the money George has lost and then SB asks this next question...

SB, "When, when did she change, when did she tell you recently that she was doing it to pay off George's stuff ? Was it, was it just since all this has happened ?"

SP, "Yeah, since it, since Rick was telling all of this."

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5048266/Casey-Anthony-Shirley-Plesea-interview

 

[MAMABEAR]

I hope when all these Inconsistencies start to unfold in Court that something will click in CA and I hope the camera gits a shot of it.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I thought it was because of George's gambling problem. But, it was probably a combination of the escapades of both G&KC. There again we have an example of not getting the details straight! Was it George? If so, was it online gambling or the Nigerian scam thing? If it was KC-was it CC's or checks?
Then again-how do we know if Shirley was told the truth? They lie to each other and they lie to everyone else. No wonder they needed notebooks to take to their LE interviews. And even then they couldn't keeps their stories straight!:doh:

I think Cindy had trouble with the both of them. I went back to Shirley's interviews with LE and found she wasn't sure where Cindy's 401K money went. It did sound like she thought it was for the both of them. I also remember reading somewhere that George paid some with his Workman's Comp. settlement.

Shirley is one sharp lady and seems to have been able to see her daughter's family in a realistic light, in spite of the fact that her main source of information was Cindy. If I read Cindy correctly, she probably conveyed to her mother that she was the martyr, supporting a daughter, grandchild, and husband. According to Shirley, Cindy didn't want to "worry her" with all the facts. I think that Shirley was "being nice" to her daughter when she said that to LE because it was Shirley who hit the nail on the head in her interview with LE when she said that, "... I just wondered if she hated her mom more than she loved Caylee."

 

[Sundance]

Wasn't it Shirley who said to LE, in her interview, that she initially was told the money that Cindy had to take from her 401K to repay what was owed was because of Casey ?

From SP's LE interview of 8/21/08:

YM: Yeah (affirmative), but what, what was the first reason she told you she needed to get into the 401K? Was that it, or was it because Casey was stealing a lot of money that they were, they were going to lose their home again

SP: Oh, well see she never told me any of that stuff because she’d known I had my hands full worrying about Dad.

YM: True. True.

SP: So uh . . .

SB: She first, she first told you, what you told us a minute ago, she first told you it was about trying to pay the bills off that Casey’d run up, right?

SP: Yeah (affirmative)

SB: And then she told you later it was about George?

SP: Well, yeah (affirmative). Well first I knew she had all the problems with George because I know he was hundreds or thousands of dollars into debt.

YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).

SB: Uh-hum (affirmative).

SP: That she even had to pay back the IRS because he cashed in his saving, or you know whatever they had at the when he was guard over to the

YM: Yeah (affirmative).

SB: Was it his business, what he, what he did for work?

SP: Yeah (affirmative).

YM: Yeah (affirmative).

SB: His retirement stuff?

SP: Yeah (affirmative), his retirement fund. Uh, and he didn’t tell her that, tell Cindy so she could include it in their . . .

YM: Yeah (affirmative).

SP: . . . (inaudible). And she gets the big, you know, they keep half of her check or something. So she, she just tells me stuff a little bit at a time because she don’t want to worry me. Now if . . .

SB: When, when did she change, when did she tell you recently that she was doing it to pay off George’s stuff> Was it, was it just since all this has happened?

SP: Yeah (affirmative), since it, since Rick was telling all of this.

YM: But, but before Rick was telling all this it was because of what? What did she tell you before?

SP: She told me before that the, she had to refinance the house and stuff because of I think, I thought she said it was because of George. I don’t know.

YM: Okay. But you don’t remember her mentioning that Casey was, was out there spending a whole bunch of their money . . .

SP: Oh.

YM: . . . and . . .

SP: Yeah (affirmative). The last, yeah (affirmative).

SB: How much money did she say that Casey took? Do you remember?

SP: Well she said uh, you know, they said something about it being like forty-five thousand.

SB: Forty-five thousand?

YM: What did she tell you?

SP: Well she said, “I would, I couldn’t have a, a credit card with that much.” And I said, “Well Cindy, she could have made up other cards with your names on them.’ I mean George was doing that.

So that's what I could find.

 

[RR0004]

So---tell me---> Will CA ever be held accountable for her Inconsistencies? Will she go forward with the Inconsistencies if the new foundations? Will she ever go to jail for all she has done in this case?

I was just thinking just that. When will this family be held accountable? As far as the "foundation" is concerned, I can't imagine it doing that well if they keep insisting that Caylee was missing. They may have to approach it differently and reinvent the foundation.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Cindy misspoke. She meant "crook and nanny".

:laugh::laugh:

 

[OneLostGrl]

So---tell me---> Will CA ever be held accountable for her Inconsistencies? Will she go forward with the Inconsistencies if the new foundations? Will she ever go to jail for all she has done in this case?

Nope probably and nope. This woman has been working on her victim skills a long long time. IMO

 

[OneLostGrl]

I was just thinking just that. When will this family be held accountable? As far as the "foundation" is concerned, I can't imagine it doing that well if they keep insisting that Caylee was missing. They may have to approach it differently and reinvent the foundation.

Cindy would probably end up go bankrupt pretending that her foundation is doing just fine when in reality all she'll probably get is hate mail. No way do I see her admitting it if the foundation fails.

 

[NocturnalLady]

From SP's LE interview of 8/21/08:



So that's what I could find.

Actually Shirley goes back and forth too. First it's Casey, then George. Sometimes I think she is just a confused old lady who can't follow the conversation well. Then I think she is confused about what stories Cindy has told her. And then at the end she says that Cindy confirmed that Casey ran up the 45k in credit cards and then finished that thought by saying that's what George did. ??? So who does Shirley really think ran up the money - (if any money actually was disappearing - I don't think we can entirely put it past Cindy not to have just made it all up to look like she had a dramatic martyr's life. Or at least greatly exaggerated the sum.) I wish they had asked Shirley her opinion.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I have always thought this. Cindy is always trying so hard to minimize Caseys criminal behavior and stealing. She went ballistic in the depo about it. because John Morgan was totally calling her out on it. She got so angry cause it was all true. Think about it. If Casey was so good at check fraud, and had access to all her parents info, and knew how to work credit cards, how much she could have stolen with all that. She lived by stealing for 2 years! I dont believe all the theories that she had some secret job in the sex business, she is too d@mn lazy. She lived on her mother's $$ and anyone else she could steal from. And yes Cindy had to know what was going on but did NOTHING.

While I do agree with you that KC is lazy, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to lay flat on your back.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

So---tell me---> Will CA ever be held accountable for her Inconsistencies? Will she go forward with the Inconsistencies if the new foundations? Will she ever go to jail for all she has done in this case?

JMO. LE wants CA/GA to babble on and on and on.....they do not want to charge them with anything at this point and time. The A's will (For lack of a better term) lawyer up, plead the 5th. Would not be able to take the stand at KC's trial so LE is just is letting sleeping dogs lie(hehehehe). There will be a reckoning at some point and time, we will just have to be patient. The wheels of justice turn slow. JMO of course.

 

[Reagan]

Nope probably and nope. This woman has been working on her victim skills a long long time. IMO

How unfortunate. If I was acting a fool like they are in FL, lying my butt off, you'd better believe LE wouldn't let me get away with it. I mean, lying is what KC was initially charged with... so how come they are so immune? They're not 'greiving' grandparents, no matter how much they spout it.

I was actually thinking the past couple of nights about how CA and GA intend to answer the Pros questions. GA can say that he has no knowledge of KC stealing until he's blue in the face (like in Morgans depo) but his interview with LE and FBI says otherwise.

Will they be so bold as to lie even though their previous testimony states otherwise?

 

[Spangle]

Actually Shirley goes back and forth too. First it's Casey, then George. Sometimes I think she is just a confused old lady who can't follow the conversation well. Then I think she is confused about what stories Cindy has told her. And then at the end she says that Cindy confirmed that Casey ran up the 45k in credit cards and then finished that thought by saying that's what George did. ??? So who does Shirley really think ran up the money - (if any money actually was disappearing - I don't think we can entirely put it past Cindy not to have just made it all up to look like she had a dramatic martyr's life. Or at least greatly exaggerated the sum.) I wish they had asked Shirley her opinion.

I don't see her going back and forth. What I see is that she agrees with the info that they tell her. Or that she only admits/confirms info after they tell her they know it or something about it.

Sounds like she is a smart woman.

 

[Sundance]

Actually Shirley goes back and forth too. First it's Casey, then George. Sometimes I think she is just a confused old lady who can't follow the conversation well. Then I think she is confused about what stories Cindy has told her. And then at the end she says that Cindy confirmed that Casey ran up the 45k in credit cards and then finished that thought by saying that's what George did. ??? So who does Shirley really think ran up the money - (if any money actually was disappearing - I don't think we can entirely put it past Cindy not to have just made it all up to look like she had a dramatic martyr's life. Or at least greatly exaggerated the sum.) I wish they had asked Shirley her opinion.

Hi NL, I concur, I think Shirley is easily confused by the questions. However, I think what she said at the last:

YM: Okay. But you don’t remember her mentioning that Casey was, was out there spending a whole bunch of their money . . .

SP: Oh.

YM: . . . and . . .

SP: Yeah (affirmative). The last, yeah (affirmative).

SB: How much money did she say that Casey took? Do you remember?

SP: Well she said uh, you know, they said something about it being like forty-five thousand.

SB: Forty-five thousand?

YM: What did she tell you?

SP: Well she said, “I would, I couldn’t have a, a credit card with that much.” And I said, “Well Cindy, she could have made up other cards with your names on them.’ I mean George was doing that.

means that Cindy had told her Casey had stolen all that money, and when Yuri asked her what Cindy had said to her, she replies that Cindy told her she couldn't have a credit card with that much credit available on it.


Sounds to me like Cindy was trying to run some interference as usual for Casey by saying she couldn't have a card with that much credit on it. Then Shirley is telling her that Casey could have gotten new cards in Cindy's name, the same as George had done.


And remember, in Cindy's myspace posting she says "The daughter who stole money, lots of money. . ."


Sounds like Cindy is trying to divert blame from Casey to George, and cover up for Casey the way she evidently always has. Remember too that George said in his 7/24 LE interview that one of the problems they had before they separated was:

My wife and I when we separated back in 2005 because of issues with my daughter, some financial things we were going through. It was really tough. And I had to go down to South Florida because I, I couldn’t take it no more. I said, “That’s it. I’m not running away but I got to get out of here before something really stupid…

So I think that George and Casey both were throwing Cindy's money around right and left. I think the 45K was a combination of the two.

JMO yada yada yada

 

[Searchfortruth]

That's exactly the way I understood what Shirley said too...Cindy had only told her recently, after Rick started writing stuff about them, that the money problem was George's fault. Before that, Shirley understood, per Cindy, that it was Casey's doing. So, Cindy was changing the story, so that her mother would tell LE, what Cindy wanted LE to hear.

Pretty low, but not too shocking, after what we have seen from Cindy.