Following Casey's directions

[countzero]

Perhaps in Ryan P's interview? Will take a look.

ETA-Nope, Ryan says it came from CA's lips, not the counselor to CA...my bad if I can't find it, though it could have been passing commentary by GA or SP, not sure.

CA has stated far too many lies to many different people. I just wanted to clarify that under oath, CA did not state that the counselor told CA ICA was a sociopath. The purpose of seeing the "free 5 counselor" visits was all about money. GA and ICA sucking CA dry of funds. Whatever. CA speaks with two tongues. She claims she pays for most of the household support with pride, yet *****es to co-workers about GA and ICA not contributing. Yet, then with a smile says how much ICA DOES contribute funds to the household. :waitasec:

Until that counselor tells exactly what was stated by CA, I tend to believe the depo taken under oath. Of course, CA didn't lie under oath about the counselor; she may have simply omitted parts of the counselors meeting (singular, there was only one session) to fit her agenda. Sarcasm included, no charge from me.

No worries about it Jayla. We don't need more rumors floating about and people taking them as gospel out of CAs mouth ......kwim, :innocent: no harm, no foul.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

woe, you're correct in that we don't know if ICA has any mental illness. What I do know is if she does, JB would have "leaked" this info to his favorite media outlet. ICA would and will not approve any of this. She had her chance with T Lemmon. JB isn't going down that path of defense, yet if at all.

One has to remember with movies, the writers and producers take extreme liberties with facts. They will pick and choose, embellishig upon those facts which fit into their scenario of the movie plot lines.

Even the expert witnesses will focus on specific points of their diagnosis of a patient when testifying at trials. Being paid, they say what they agree with the attorneys who hire them.

Regardless of what a doctor diagnoses ICA with, she was and is mentally fit and understood at the time of Caylee's murder her actions were wrong and illegal. Even now we see JB posturing to blame CA for ICA's behavior; ICA KNEW MURDER was and is wrong. She simply didn't care about the consequences of her actions, nor taking responsibility for those actions. Same holds true for the rest of the A clan.

ICAs own spoken directions will only lead her down the walk to a permanent residence inside of a small 8x12 or what ever size it is prison cell. Courtesy of the fine citizens of the state of Florida. ICA will adapt to her surroundings as she always has.

BBM ~ That is why, when I see a film based on a true story, if I'm interested enough, I'll research the story or character that the film is based on. In the film 'A Beautiful Mind' there were liberties taken while presenting the life of John Forbes Nash, Jr. According to the link below it is the real person, JFN, who said that he does not see a categorical distinction between terms such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Nash reports that he did not hear voices until around 1964, later engaging in a process of rejecting them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr.
Under the section 'Schizophrenia' you can find this info and its source.

I'm especially interested in this particular illness because my bil has it and talks to me about his struggles with it often. He too, like Nash, still hears voices but told me he 'ignores them'. Obviously there must be a way, once awareness and understanding of the illness is acknowledged, for some inflicted people to do this. Although unlike Nash, bil continues to take his medication and it helps him.

My point is that I'm not just saying random things that have no basis most of the time. That said, as far as I know my bil has never killed anyone nor wants to - far from it.

I'm not sure what the defense is going to say or do to try to defend KC.
We know they've had some mental health experts go to see her but that information is not known to us.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Speaking of the counselor CA said she went to talk too, I sure hope LE has tracked that person down to verify CA's claims. I'd like to know if she told the truth about that. Has there been any evidence that the counselor was questioned as to what she knew about CA's concerns?

 

[countzero]

Speaking of the counselor CA said she went to talk too, I sure hope LE has tracked that person down to verify CA's claims. I'd like to know if she told the truth about that. Has there been any evidence that the counselor was questioned as to what she knew about CA's concerns?

Nothing that has been released by the SAO. Doesn't mean there wasn't an investigation done by LE either. .... just that one hasn't been released.

Personally I don't see the need for it because it has nothing to do with Caylee's murder. Linda did not press CA for further info about it either. The SAO is very clear that they know about CAs lies. But we sure would like to know more about it.

The SAO has much more evidence that clearly is proof that ICA was involved in the murder.

 

[pip]

Nothing that has been released by the SAO. Doesn't mean there wasn't an investigation done by LE either. .... just that one hasn't been released.

Personally I don't see the need for it because it has nothing to do with Caylee's murder. Linda did not press CA for further info about it either. The SAO is very clear that they know about CAs lies. But we sure would like to know more about it.

The SAO has much more evidence that clearly is proof that ICA was involved in the murder.

It would be interesting, that's for sure.. I wonder if she got angry and left in a huff upon hearing advice she wasn't interested in?

 

[Reagan]

We wouldn't hear anything from CA's therapist. Doctor/Patient privilege.

 

[countzero]

It would be interesting, that's for sure.. I wonder if she got angry and left in a huff upon hearing advice she wasn't interested in?

No ... I doubt she left in a huff. Remember, this counselor works either for or with Genvia. CA has an image she has to maintain. Which is exactly why CA never told the counselor her real reasons for seeking a session. She would have blown that image of hers sky high. I seriously doubt CA would have ever admitted to anyone outside of work she had one session. LE only discovered it because Debbie P told them about it. CA did not volunteer that info on her own.

CA, like ICA, GA and LA just love to embellish their lives. Either for sympathy or to make themselves feel more important than those around them. We have witnessed two years of it with them.

Let's not forget along with CAs co workers, ICA's acquaintances the neighbors on Hopespring also got a heavy dose of it.

 

[Kentjbkent]

BBM ~ That is why, when I see a film based on a true story, if I'm interested enough, I'll research the story or character that the film is based on. In the film 'A Beautiful Mind' there were liberties taken while presenting the life of John Forbes Nash, Jr. According to the link below it is the real person, JFN, who said that he does not see a categorical distinction between terms such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Nash reports that he did not hear voices until around 1964, later engaging in a process of rejecting them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr.
Under the section 'Schizophrenia' you can find this info and its source.

I'm especially interested in this particular illness because my bil has it and talks to me about his struggles with it often. He too, like Nash, still hears voices but told me he 'ignores them'. Obviously there must be a way, once awareness and understanding of the illness is acknowledged, for some inflicted people to do this. Although unlike Nash, bil continues to take his medication and it helps him.

My point is that I'm not just saying random things that have no basis most of the time. That said, as far as I know my bil has never killed anyone nor wants to - far from it.

I'm not sure what the defense is going to say or do to try to defend KC.
We know they've had some mental health experts go to see her but that information is not known to us.

Shortly after her arrest, I recall that a mental evaluation was done on Casey, and you are correct, there has been speculations by the public of certain names listed on the jail visitor log, but I am not so sure we will hear of any diagnosis (or lack of) during trial.

Coincidentally, the trial of Lauren Gress, the mother who was accused of starving her 4 month old twin infant daughter to death went to trial and concluded this week in Florida.

Coincidentally, Richard Hornsby was her retained defense attorney, and Ms. Gress was convicted of child neglect but acquitted of aggravated manslaughter. Richard Hornsby stated in post-conviction interviews that he plans to file an appeal, but also made the following statement:

Her attorney Richard Hornsby said because of Florida's diminished capacity laws, he wasn't allowed to tell the jury two highly renowned doctors diagnosed Gress with severe postpartum depression.

"If the jury was able to know if she was diagnosed with specific condition, that she was suffering, that was affecting her ability to recognize that the children health was deteriorating, there's little doubt that that would have affected their verdict,” Hornsby said.

Her attorney said he'll fight that during the appeals process.

Gress is facing at least eight years in prison.

However, a judge could factor in the postpartum depression and show leniency.

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/september/146153/Mother-found-guilty-of-child-neglect

Perhaps this is a subject that should be directed to RH in the Verified Atty thread?

Or perhaps in the Verified Mental Health experts thread instead of trying to insinuate a diagnosis of KC by laypersons?

Just sayin'.....