For Those Who Do Not Think Avery was Framed & Evidence Planted - Discuss

[dexter75]

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I absolutely agree that Brutus was vital to the case, I'm just not convinced SA killed TH. Someone did~~I'm just not sure who.

I also believe all the cadaver dogs who worked on the case are equally as vital, including Loof, who tracked TH's to the quarry and Kuss Road.

We covered approximately five to ten miles of tracking. One of the more significant tracks that LOOF and FAUSKE tracked was from the south entry door of the red house trailer near the concrete stoop. This track did continue in a westerly direction
toward a cul-de-sac at the end of Kuss Road. It was indicated by FAUSKE that LOOF was very intense on this track.

I don't think you can give weight to one excellent police source without giving weight to the other.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CASO-Investigative-Report.pdf

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[Limaes]

Howdy to the land of Oz!

Fortunately motive doesn't have to be proved to meet the burden of guilt BARD to a jury. That said, I tend to look at motives in a simple way, especially in this case:

IMO: SA wanted TH, he decided to make that known to her or otherwise act on it, he was determined to get what he wanted, and if she didn't agree then he'd do what he needed to do and then attempt to make sure he didn't get caught.

I believe the rest flowed from that fairly straightforward motive.

And because this is the thread for those who do not think evidence was planted or SA was framed, I believe evidence was found because of the incredible nose of a trained K9 officer, even though SA tried to obliterate TH under a layer of burned tires and resulting ash, as well as her stuff at the bottom of a burn barrel. Brutus was the officer who really solved the whereabouts of TH.

Absolutely! Reading through Cramer's testimony about his track record in other cases. No wonder he was considered their best dog. He hit on the Rav 4, wrecked cars in the junk yard, SA's bathroom, CA's front step and the burn barrels behind the Dassey's IIRC. It was fortunate for SA that his dog bear was chained very close to the burn pit because imo, Brutus would have alerted them to Teresa's cremains that same afternoon.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Absolutely! Reading through Cramer's testimony about his track record in other cases. No wonder he was considered their best dog. He hit on the Rav 4, wrecked cars in the junk yard, SA's bathroom, CA's front step and the burn barrels behind the Dassey's IIRC. It was fortunate for SA that his dog bear was chained very close to the burn pit because imo, Brutus would have alerted them to Teresa's cremains that same afternoon.

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Exactly Limaes! Excellent Point! You have 2 dogs (LE's finest) hitting on multiple areas and multiple individual's property IE: CA, SA, JR's camp. How can you be 100% that SA was responsible, when all of these individuals had access to the property? That's what gets me.

 

[dexter75]

Absolutely! Reading through Cramer's testimony about his track record in other cases. No wonder he was considered their best dog. He hit on the Rav 4, wrecked cars in the junk yard, SA's bathroom, CA's front step and the burn barrels behind the Dassey's IIRC. It was fortunate for SA that his dog bear was chained very close to the burn pit because imo, Brutus would have alerted them to Teresa's cremains that same afternoon.

Thanks for the information😊 I had forgotten about a couple of those. He sure did hit on many different locations.

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[proudfootz]

Thanks for the information I had forgotten about a couple of those. He sure did hit on many different locations.

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With all these people traipsing all over the property, I suppose someone might have tracked something interesting over to CA's house 320 meters away from SA's home.

 

[Madeleine74]

Why is possible malfeasance being hinted at or suggested?

This is the one thread where those who do not think there was either a conspiracy or framing of SA occurred can post.

 

[Madeleine74]

You know Limaes, good thing the large German Shepard, Bear was watching over and chained so close to (practically on top of) the burn pit berm. IMO he would have helped 'discourage' anyone who wasn't his master from depositing something underneath the steel belt tire remnants and ash.

 

[Limaes]

True Madeleine, it's also a good thing that the jurors were knowledgable about Brutus' job description. IIRC, he doesn't focus on a specific person, he picks up any blood or remains, even the blood that is not related to the murder e.g the wrecked car and CA's step. Brutus was too smart in the end for SA JMO

SA reduced Teresa Halbach to a pile of rubble that was unrecognisable to the untrained human eye and left his dog to guard the burn pile. This, imo, is the proof that the burn pile was the one and only funeral pyre for Teresa and therefore, no planting by LE or anyone else. JMO

 

[Limaes]

Well, this thread is almost a year old. Just wondering if anyone has changed their views at all?

For me, I have learned much in the last 12 months. The MASO & CASO documents have revealed a lot about the investigation and SA's violence towards women are just a few things that stand out.

There still has not been any evidence produced that proves LE, or anyone else for that matter, are guilty of planting or corrupt behaviour. Just the same unfounded allegations over and over. I still believe the correct person is in prison.

Teresa Halbach was seen walking towards SA's trailer and was never seen alive again. The End. JMO



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[dexter75]

Well, this thread is almost a year old. Just wondering if anyone has changed their views at all?

For me, I have learned much in the last 12 months. The MASO & CASO documents have revealed a lot about the investigation and SA's violence towards women are just a few things that stand out.

There still has not been any evidence produced that proves LE, or anyone else for that matter, are guilty of planting or corrupt behaviour. Just the same unfounded allegations over and over. I still believe the correct person is in prison.

Teresa Halbach was seen walking towards SA's trailer and was never seen alive again. The End. JMO



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Nope
Thanks for sharing again though😊

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[Madeleine74]

Well, this thread is almost a year old. Just wondering if anyone has changed their views at all?

For me, I have learned much in the last 12 months.

What I've learned in the last 12 months has only further implicated SA in this crime. Still no proof of any planting, framing, or conspiracy as of this date.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Well, this thread is almost a year old. Just wondering if anyone has changed their views at all?

For me, I have learned much in the last 12 months. The MASO & CASO documents have revealed a lot about the investigation and SA's violence towards women are just a few things that stand out.

There still has not been any evidence produced that proves LE, or anyone else for that matter, are guilty of planting or corrupt behaviour. Just the same unfounded allegations over and over. I still believe the correct person is in prison.

Teresa Halbach was seen walking towards SA's trailer and was never seen alive again. The End. JMO



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Yes, I have changed my views. I came here with a firm view that SA and BD were guilty. After investing over a year and reading every document available to me, I no longer believe he is guilty.

 

[Limaes]

Is this based on evidence BCA?

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[BigCityAccountant]

Is this based on evidence BCA?

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Of course it is because all opinions are, aren't they?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

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Of course it is because all opinions are, aren't they?

I lot of people on Websleuths use "hinkey meters" and "gut feelings" to form opinions and not evidence. JMO

 

[Limaes]

I'll have to have a peek in the "Do" thread to see if this evidence has been finally revealed in there.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I lot of people on Websleuths use "hinkey meters" and "gut feelings" to form opinions and not evidence. JMO

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Agreed Ranch, but the post asked if anyone changed their "view". Their view can be based upon a number of factors. IE: Tin Foil Hat views are opinions based upon their views, whether right or wrong, in reality or not. Same with conspiracy theorists, their opinion is based upon their views, again right or wrong, it still is their view and thus their opinion.

Just to be clear, my "view" is based upon my opinion. I do not have to have "evidence" to form my view or opinion.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

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Agreed Ranch, but the post asked if anyone changed their "view". Their view can be based upon a number of factors. IE: Tin Foil Hat views are opinions based upon their views, whether right or wrong, in reality or not. Same with conspiracy theorists, their opinion is based upon their views, again right or wrong, it still is their view and thus their opinion.

Just to be clear, my "view" is based upon my opinion. I do not have to have "evidence" to form my view or opinion.

Now I'm really confused.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

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Yes, I have changed my views. I came here with a firm view that SA and BD were guilty. After investing over a year and reading every document available to me, I no longer believe he is guilty.

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Just to be clear, my "view" is based upon my opinion. I do not have to have "evidence" to form my view or opinion.

SBM

You say you've read every document available to you and that caused you to change your view. Then you say that you do not have to have evidence to form your view or opinion.

These documents that helped to change your view are not evidence? What are they and how did they influence you?

I hope you can see why I'm confused with your response to a question about whether evidence caused you to change your mind about this case.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

SBM

You say you've read every document available to you and that caused you to change your view. Then you say that you do not have to have evidence to form your view or opinion.

These documents that helped to change your view are not evidence? What are they and how did they influence you?

I hope you can see why I'm confused with your response to a question about whether evidence caused you to change your mind about this case.

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Yes, that is correct~~I do not have any evidence. I have not physically seen, touched or tested any evidence. I have read documents which lead me to conclude that I cannot say with confidence that SA is responsible for TH's death. The same as I cannot conclude that a guy who was convicted 3 times in the murder of Holly Staker is responsible for her death.

Juan Rivera was tried and convicted 3 times in her murder, even after DNA evidence proved he was innocent. Overzealous prosecutors to the point that a judge had to step in and say enough is enough~~this guy cannot be tried again. They just couldn't accept they were wrong, even to the point of planting the perp's DNA and Holly's on Juan Rivera's shoes. Go figure. Dragged this poor 11 year old girls name thru the mud, saying she must have been sexually active. Very sick and twisted.

Reminds me a lot of this case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Rivera_(wrongful_conviction)