For Those Who Do Not Think Avery was Framed & Evidence Planted - Discuss

[Saul Vesalot]

It's always claimed that Stevie doesn't lie

This is a lie. That claim is not always made. :facepalm:

In claims that only the truth are being sought, why are Stevie's lies ignored? How does ignoring the whole picture get to the truth?

Steven's lies are ignored because more or less everything Steven says is ignored. It is super dooper simple. At least on Websleuths, no one is trying to figure out what happened based on things Steven said. Your level of agitation over this doesn't really make any sense to me. No one is paying attention to him lying because people here in general aren't paying any attention to him at all.

And in general, I assume anything people say in defense of themselves is a lie unless it is independently backed up. A guy accused of murder is trying to over his own ? Quelle Surprise!:scared:

 

[Limaes]

Teresa's dutiful family are at the court house today. Hope it is over soon for them. [emoji17]

 

[Deleted member 39678]

This is a lie. That claim is not always made. :facepalm:



Steven's lies are ignored because more or less everything Steven says is ignored. It is super dooper simple. At least on Websleuths, no one is trying to figure out what happened based on things Steven said. Your level of agitation over this doesn't really make any sense to me. No one is paying attention to him lying because people here in general aren't paying any attention to him at all.

And in general, I assume anything people say in defense of themselves is a lie unless it is independently backed up. A guy accused of murder is trying to over his own ? Quelle Surprise!:scared:

BBM

He wasn't just accused of murder, he was convicted of murder.

 

[IDK]

BBM

He wasn't just accused of murder, he was convicted of murder.

True enough. However, SA was also convicted of the assault and rape of PB and was subsequently exonerated. Conviction does not always equal guilt.

 

[CoolJ]

BBM

He wasn't just accused of murder, he was convicted of murder.

He was convicted of rape too. Remember?

But we all know he was convicted of murder. That is not under dispute.

The question is whether or not he was framed.

This thread in particular is for discussing reasons why he was not framed. This thread in itself shows us that there is some suspicion that he was framed otherwise we wouldnt be discussing it.

In order to believe he was not framed IMO you would have to either ignore or have a reasonable explanation for the following:

Why was much of the evidence used to convict found by officers of a department with an obvious conflict of interest?
Why were messages deleted from TH's voicemail?
Why was no evidence of a gruesome murder found in either SA's trailer or garage?
Why was the blood vial packaging seal broke and taped back together with scotch tape?
Why are jurors coming forward to say they felt threatened?
Why are jurors coming forward to tell us they convicted based on hearsay(The Kratz fairy tale) and not evidence presented in court?


I could go on and on. But please stop ignoring and provide reasonable explanations for the above and maybe us open minded folk could get on board with the idea that "Avery was not framed"

 

[Deleted member 39678]

True enough. However, SA was also convicted of the assault and rape of PB and was subsequently exonerated. Conviction does not always equal guilt.

Steven Avery hasn't been exonerated in the murder of Teresa Halbach. He is therefore guilty.

 

[IDK]

Steven Avery hasn't been exonerated in the murder of Teresa Halbach. He is therefore guilty.

Technically so, just as I posted above. "True enough"

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Technically so, just as I posted above. "True enough"

Nothing technical about. It's a fact that he's guilty.

 

[CoolJ]

Steven Avery hasn't been exonerated in the murder of Teresa Halbach. He is therefore guilty.

Again, nobody is disputing this statement. Nobody ever has.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

He was convicted of rape too. Remember?

But we all know he was convicted of murder. That is not under dispute.

The question is whether or not he was framed.

This thread in particular is for discussing reasons why he was not framed. This thread in itself shows us that there is some suspicion that he was framed otherwise we wouldnt be discussing it.

In order to believe he was not framed IMO you would have to either ignore or have a reasonable explanation for the following:

Why was much of the evidence used to convict found by officers of a department with an obvious conflict of interest?
Why were messages deleted from TH's voicemail?
Why was no evidence of a gruesome murder found in either SA's trailer or garage?
Why was the blood vial packaging seal broke and taped back together with scotch tape?
Why are jurors coming forward to say they felt threatened?
Why are jurors coming forward to tell us they convicted based on hearsay(The Kratz fairy tale) and not evidence presented in court?


I could go on and on. But please stop ignoring and provide reasonable explanations for the above and maybe us open minded folk could get on board with the idea that "Avery was not framed"

I'm not going to try and change your mind. I also have every right to ignore posts that I find are trying to cause conflict. I respect your right to your opinion.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Again, nobody is disputing this statement. Nobody ever has.

Looks like we're on the same page and a conviction means something.

 

[IDK]

Again, nobody is disputing this statement. Nobody ever has.

Good post CoolJ. Nobody has ever disputed that SA was convicted of murder.

 

[CoolJ]

I'm not going to try and change your mind. I also have every right to ignore posts that I find are trying to cause conflict. I respect your right to your opinion.

I'm sorry you feel as though my post is trying to "cause conflict". That is not true whatsoever. I am trying to understand why some don't see the obvious red flags that i see? Like I said, my mind is open. I am ready and willing to be persuaded. That is why i am writing on this thread.

 

[CoolJ]

Looks like we're on the same page and a conviction means something.

Damn rights it means something. It means you lose your freedom. Better get it right.

 

[CoolJ]

Steven Avery hasn't been exonerated in the murder of Teresa Halbach. He is therefore guilty.

Is OJ Simpson therefore innocent?
Is Casey Anthony therefore innocent?

 

[Madeleine74]

This thread does not require posters to provide reasons they don't believe there was framing or conspiracy. I started the thread and I've seen the purpose of the thread misstated several times since it was created.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm sorry you feel as though my post is trying to "cause conflict". That is not true whatsoever. I am trying to understand why some don't see the obvious red flags that i see? Like I said, my mind is open. I am ready and willing to be persuaded. That is why i am writing on this thread.

I don't see things the same as you. I admit and accept that. That means that I could never get you to change your mind. That's why I'm not going to try.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

This thread does not require posters to provide reasons they don't believe there was framing or conspiracy. I started the thread and I've seen the purpose of the thread misstated several times since it was created.

Apparently some think it's a thread to change peoples minds about this case.

 

[Madeleine74]

Until proof is provided, there won't be agreement that there was framing, planting, or conspiracy. It's time to show the evidence to back up the assertions.

 

[Madeleine74]

Apparently some think it's a thread to change peoples minds about this case.

Some people still think the earth is flat...

My mind gets made up when I see a presentation (or hear or read about) evidence in a case. Other people's beliefs don't factor into my opinion.