For Those Who Do Think Avery was Framed & Evidence Planted - Discuss

[missy1974]

Blogs fall under the category of social media. Approved blogs can be linked but copy and paste is not allowed.

HTH

it does thanks! Well, sorta LOL Lots of random blogs have been shared on here over the months, but now I will make sure before posting

Up until this case, I always stuck to the 'MSM articles were the only approved links unless otherwise stated', and of course.... this case has been anything but normal LOL

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Blogs fall under the category of social media. Approved blogs can be linked but copy and paste is not allowed.

HTH

Hi Coldpizza!!! I'm not sure what an approved blog is ??? Does that mean we should check with a mod on each before posting??? TIA

 

[dexter75]

Awe, thanks!
I can see where at times that there fence could get a bit wobbly for sure🙄
I've had a time or two where like Missy, I have stepped over to the other side.
Being extremely rational and open minded & all😊
Happy to hear she is on the mend💪🤘
Sounds like she's a very active girl. I too, love everything about the lake and spent our summers at the family cottage on Sand Lake or at Grandpas in the Irish Hills surrounded by the water❤
Keeping quite busy already with my daughter and her friends as our house is the hangout!
Wouldn't have it any other way!

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[Sarah]

:seeya: Still here and lurking!
Life's just got really busy lately and TBH there doesn't seem to be much new stuff to talk about in this case.

This article about the neighbour's reported sighting of the Rav4 though . . .
Everything I've seen written about it interprets it as seeing the Rav4 and the Jeep driving past the neighbour's house toward the Avery property.
However, whenever I read it I can't help visualising the cars being sighted already on the backroad driving away from the Avery property and towards the quarry (I know, I know - I have to be different!)

OK so the actual quote is : "he saw the Rav4 speeding quickly down the backroad that leads into the quarry behind the Avery Auto Salvage and directly behind it was the white Jeep."

Interpretation 1) The cars turned onto the backroad leading toward the quarry, passing the neighbour's backyard and presumably the implication is that they ultimately turned onto the Avery property rather than continuing into the quarry

Interpretation 2) He spotted the cars on the backroad speeding towards the quarry - direction not specified. Since he doesn't mention them passing him but does mention the location as being behind Averys' the inference to me is that they were coming from the salvage yard.

It doesn't help that it's not a direct quote and the sentence structure is pretty sloppy. I mean : "speeding quickly"? What's that all about - can you speed any way other than quickly?

Perhaps the differences between US and UK syntax contribute to making me read it as the second option.
Perhaps I'm losing my mind.
Is the second option even possible? Could he have seen cars driving one of those tracks from Avery's to the quarry from his backyard?

Help me out here guys . . .

 

[Sarah]

Grrrr - typing on my phone and pressed reply before I'd finished.

I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that I'm slightly suspicious of that particular claim. The interpretation isn't quite clear cut. (at least to me!)
I've spent enough time with journalists (family & friends) to know that when journalists

a) use direct quotes in parts of an article but then choose to paraphrase key elements of the story
b) use headlines or photo captions as attention grabbers but the main body of the article says something slightly different
c) leave statements a little bit vague and open to interpretation

then perhaps the element in question isn't totally favourable to the point they're trying to make and maybe they're trying to lead readers to draw a particular inference from it.

The piece I do find interesting though and certainly worthy of further discussion is the sighting of sheriff's dept vehicles passing the barricade the day before the RAV4 was discovered. Would love to hear what you on this side of the fence make of it.

 

[missy1974]

Hey Sarah! Nice to hear from you The author did an AMA on reddit and from what I have read, he just went to talk to the neighbours to ask what it was like to be there around that time and since the show came out. He didn't ask him if he saw anything, WS (the neighbour) just told him the info, and the author spoke to the daughter too (the one we hear about in the police calls), who said that WS has been saying this all along, but no one asked him (it reminds me of the eyewitness in the Ryan Fergusson case... no one once asked her if it was Ryan that she saw that night).

As for the direction..... according to the article, WS said INTO the quarry, but it doesn't sound like he watched or knows if they went into the quarry or if they turned and went into the back of Avery's Salvage. It sure would be interesting to know if that area was searched for maybe uhmmm a wheel well that seems to be missing from the RAV4! In the AMA, the author was asked about the "speeding" at 40mph and how it didn't seem that fast.... he said if the road was anything like it was when he was there, it was not a smooth road and going 40mph would be "speeding", if that makes sense.

Also, for what it's worth.... the family has commented too that he has been telling them this for years, it's not "new" to them.

As for seeing the police vehicles.... well, he said that he heard on the news that the key was found the next day and we know that most of the evidence was found after the key was found too, so it's definitely interesting. And we know he's not lying about that because we have the police calls to back it up, which I think gives some credibility to his story about the RAV4/Jeep sighting IMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Hi Coldpizza!!! I'm not sure what an approved blog is ??? Does that mean we should check with a mod on each before posting??? TIA

I don't think you will get an answer by posting on this thread. I had to alert the last one to get the response you see. If you have more questions for a mod a PM would probably be best.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

So I noticed something interesting going up to the cabin. I think it was Dexter forgive me if I'm wrong... But I just realized Zander Road and I-43 is exactly 1 mile from the rest/truck stop near Denmark. Don't know if it is significant or not..but that location being in close proximity as well as that ice shack seem to stick with me and bother me. Hope you all have a good day.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Hey Sarah! Nice to hear from you The author did an AMA on reddit and from what I have read, he just went to talk to the neighbours to ask what it was like to be there around that time and since the show came out. He didn't ask him if he saw anything, WS (the neighbour) just told him the info, and the author spoke to the daughter too (the one we hear about in the police calls), who said that WS has been saying this all along, but no one asked him (it reminds me of the eyewitness in the Ryan Fergusson case... no one once asked her if it was Ryan that she saw that night).

As for the direction..... according to the article, WS said INTO the quarry, but it doesn't sound like he watched or knows if they went into the quarry or if they turned and went into the back of Avery's Salvage. It sure would be interesting to know if that area was searched for maybe uhmmm a wheel well that seems to be missing from the RAV4! In the AMA, the author was asked about the "speeding" at 40mph and how it didn't seem that fast.... he said if the road was anything like it was when he was there, it was not a smooth road and going 40mph would be "speeding", if that makes sense.

Also, for what it's worth.... the family has commented too that he has been telling them this for years, it's not "new" to them.

As for seeing the police vehicles.... well, he said that he heard on the news that the key was found the next day and we know that most of the evidence was found after the key was found too, so it's definitely interesting. And we know he's not lying about that because we have the police calls to back it up, which I think gives some credibility to his story about the RAV4/Jeep sighting IMO

Bumping a little bit of Missy's reply! Hi Sarah, hope life slows down a bit for you. I agree with Missy when she said "INTO the quarry, but it doesn't sound like he watched or knows if they went into the quarry or if they turned and went into the back of Avery's Salvage" That is how I read it too. Thanks for pointing out 40 mph would be considered speeding, because I would have thought country road at 55 mph. It would make sense though because I would imagine there would be a lot of trucks coming and going into the quarry. When we travel up north, we get off on a exit that is heavily traveled by trucks as there is a truck stop across the street from where we normally stop for a break and I can that part of the road the "Wagon Trail" as it is really bumpy in that area.

 

[Jaiddie]

Just saw this for the first time...it is so heart-breaking what has been done to him, IMO. 12 years of his life taken away from him so the real rapist could go on to rape others, he lost his family, and now 10 years later and here we are where it is very likely a repeat performance where he has had it all taken away again by the same people who did it the first time. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IImUQLSaBa0

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Just saw this for the first time...it is so heart-breaking what has been done to him, IMO. 12 years of his life taken away from him so the real rapist could go on to rape others, he lost his family, and now 10 years later and here we are where it is very likely a repeat performance where he has had it all taken away again by the same people who did it the first time. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IImUQLSaBa0

Jaddie that is the video that I found way way way back so long ago. He is giving that interview from inside the ice shack. See the bedding? That ice shack has a padlock on the outside. It has always bothered me and IMHO, I believe it would be somewhere TH could have been tied up. (Sorry Dexter, leaning the other way today..LOL) Where was that darn thing when TH went missing??? Was it on the Avery property??? I can't seem to find an answer to that. RIP TH!!

 

[dexter75]

Jaddie that is the video that I found way way way back so long ago. He is giving that interview from inside the ice shack. See the bedding? That ice shack has a padlock on the outside. It has always bothered me and IMHO, I believe it would be somewhere TH could have been tied up. (Sorry Dexter, leaning the other way today..LOL) Where was that darn thing when TH went missing??? Was it on the Avery property??? I can't seem to find an answer to that. RIP TH!!

I'm an understanding friend😉 All is forgiven❤

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[BigCityAccountant]

I'm an understanding friend All is forgiven❤

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Awe!! I've got the greatest WS friends I've made over here! Thanks! Hope everyone is having a great summer! Dex~~I see you are following Lori Ruff case too! It is such a frustrating case!

 

[otto]

Everything about this case, and the evidence, is wrong. I was just reading one of the linked articles, and, when I read about the memory card, I simply can't believe that it wasn't planted:

"Orth and Remiker were two of the first Manitowoc County Sheriff's deputies to take control of the blue RAV4. They saw a memory card for a digital camera. It was an important clue to cement Manitowoc County's theory that Halbach was murdered during her work for Auto Trader Magazine. "I remember seeing the letters TERTHERES, looked like Teresa or Terese written on it."

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/2016/05/26/avery-evidence-conflict-interest/84487252/

The camera was in a burn barrel, and the memory card was found in her vehicle. That is absolutely absurd. No photographer removes the memory card from a camera in the car, and leaves it in the car separate from the camera simply because that's the easiest way to lose it. The only time that the memory card is removed from the camera is in front of the computer - but more likely it remains in the camera and the camera is simply plugged into the computer. No photographer separates the memory card from the camera in the car.

It's more likely that the memory card was removed from the camera and left in the car to plant evidence.

I can't believe that Avery and his nephew are in prison, and nothing has been done regarding the blatant questions surrounding the discovery of "evidence". The manipulation of the nephew was unbelievably obvious as a frame up, and it is so clear that everyone - even those who should have advocated on his behalf - were party to framing Avery. It is such a shame that this law enforcement team has gotten away with manipulating evidence for decades.

 

[otto]

I can't stress this enough that: for investigators to state that because the memory card was removed from the camera, Avery is guilty, is the exact opposite of what should be understood. I have done photography for years and there is absolutely no reason to remove a memory card from the camera except to put it in the computer. Furthermore, photographers have the cable to connect the camera to the computer, so they do not remove the memory card to transfer images. Removing the memory card in any other place for any other reason means there's a 95% chance you will misplace it. Furthermore, every photographer knows what it is to take a series of photos only to realize that the memory card is in the computer. That does not happen to experienced photographers.

The facts that the memory card is conveniently left in the vehicle while the camera is burned, and that the spare key (what happened to her original keys - shouldn't they be on Avery's property?) is conveniently found on the floor of Avery's bedroom after three officers spent 2.5 hours searching the room, are just not acceptable evidence for convicting someone of murder. That, combined with the obvious coercion of Avery's nephew, reveal that investigators as had a clear objective and that nothing would prevent them from achieving that objective.

 

[missy1974]

otto ~ thanks for your perspective, I never thought that much about it.

It had crossed my mind that maybe she would normally send the actual card to AutoTrader after taking the photo's and maybe it was at that point that something happened. None of her paperwork was found, IIRC, somewhere in the interviews or testimony, Dawn from AutoTrader said that TH told her she needed more envelopes or whatever. I'm assuming they were the prepaid one's so she could fedex her paperwork/pictures. I haven't read anything that TH would send physical pictures and it makes sense that she would just send a memory card and they would take the pics from there to put in the magazine, wouldn't it?

The one thing about that memory card is.... there is nothing in the reports that I have read that they even looked to see what was on that card!!!!

 

[otto]

otto ~ thanks for your perspective, I never thought that much about it.

It had crossed my mind that maybe she would normally send the actual card to AutoTrader after taking the photo's and maybe it was at that point that something happened. None of her paperwork was found, IIRC, somewhere in the interviews or testimony, Dawn from AutoTrader said that TH told her she needed more envelopes or whatever. I'm assuming they were the prepaid one's so she could fedex her paperwork/pictures. I haven't read anything that TH would send physical pictures and it makes sense that she would just send a memory card and they would take the pics from there to put in the magazine, wouldn't it?

The one thing about that memory card is.... there is nothing in the reports that I have read that they even looked to see what was on that card!!!!

In 2012, it would have been so much easier to upload the files electronically than to hand deliver them. Memory cards were expensive a few years ago, and it just doesn't add up that anyone would be careless with them. She may have sent in print ready photos, but even that seems incredibly out of date when electronic files are so much easier. The envelopes may have been for paperwork such as client signature and payment.

My impression is that the memory card was used to prove that she had taken the photos contracted by Avery.

 

[ZooSleuth]

What if the memory card in the RAV4 was removed from the camera because it was full and the camera had a different card in it when it was burned? Very common to have multiple memory cards IMO.

 

[otto]

What if the memory card in the RAV4 was removed from the camera because it was full and the camera had a different card in it when it was burned? Very common to have multiple memory cards IMO.

That would mean that she had two cards and each could hold a few hundred photos (my memory card from pre-2012 is 16 GB). That would also mean that she did not have a camera bag for her camera equipment.

Let's assume she was going to a photo shoot, realized the memory card was nearly full, so she replaced the card before taking photos at Avery's yard. She placed the full card in her car. It would be very careless to start a photo shoot with a nearly full memory card.

That would mean that the card with photos from Avery's yard was in the camera, and the memory card in the vehicle proved nothing about seeing Avery. However, investigators claim that the memory card proves that she met with Avery, so there must be photos of Avery's yard on the card. That would mean that she took the photos, got in the car, removed the memory card from the camera, and then she was murdered by Avery - after she had finished the photo shoot and was sitting in her car.

It doesn't add up for me. I think something happened to her after she left Avery's yard. I wonder if police had a tap on Avery's phone and were waiting for an opportunity to frame him. At the same time, they needed proof that she had been at Avery's yard, so they removed the memory card from the camera, placed it in the car where it could easily be found, and disposed of the camera.

If police had any real evidence, why did they corner a mentally challenged youth, coerce a false confession from him, and give him no option other than to accuse Avery? That's just the most disgusting police work I've ever seen. They had to have known full well that the nephew had nothing to do with it, but investigators were determined to force him to say what they wanted to hear.

The location of bones is equally bizarre, but it fits with the police theory - with bones placed on the nephew's property, and on Avery's property. Murders don't spread burned bones around the neighborhood burn barrels, and leave them sitting in plain sight, but having bones on the Avery and nephew property sure fits neatly with the police story.

 

[dexter75]

Awe!! I've got the greatest WS friends I've made over here! Thanks! Hope everyone is having a great summer! Dex~~I see you are following Lori Ruff case too! It is such a frustrating case!

Thank you, summer is going fabulous! Lots of lake days:happydance:
And girl, you aren't kidding about Lori Ruff! Between her & the Missy Beavers case, :gaah: I'm pulling my hair out over here!!!
Take care dear:wave: