For Those Who Do Think Avery was Framed & Evidence Planted - Discuss

[BigCityAccountant]

We know that no photos were taken of the discovery of the body, so we can assume that there is no evidence regarding where the remains were found. I would suggest that the discovery of the remains was staged, and that is why there are no photos.

Is there a photo of the memory card in the vehicle?

We know there is a photo of Teresa's spare key on the floor of Avery's bedroom. Are there photos of the scene before police touched anything in the bedroom?

Was Avery compensated for the years he spent in prison after being framed the first time?

There is a photo of "a" memory card being found in the vehicle.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/photos/

There are also multiple pictures of Avery's bedroom as well as some that were taken before police touched anything, we think they are before anything was touched anyway.

I believe he was given $25k, but then pursued the lawsuit for $36 million and IIRC settled for $400k that he burned through for his defense.

 

[dexter75]

Thanks for your reply. What theory do the investigators have for why some of the bones were at the quarry? I can't think of a logical explanation for why SA (if he were the perpetrator) to have moved them there. I'm very interested if Kathleen Zellner will be able to introduce new evidence or whatever else is needed for a new trial.

There is absolutely no logical explanation, IMO

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[BigCityAccountant]

I have a quick question about the bones that were found at the quarry. Was it ever determined whose bones they were?
Sorry I am not nearly as knowledgeable about the case as most here, but still very interested in seeing that true justice is done. I agree with otto and justiceseeker35 above that the investigation was botched and therefore the convictions are highly suspect.

Hi IDK!! :seeya:

There were multiple bones found in the quarry in multiple locations, some were determined to be non-human and the others were inconclusive, if my memory serves me correct. Oh where is Missy when you need her???

 

[dexter75]

IF MTSO was supposed to provide much needed equipment and evidence technicians to poor Calumet, then did a very shoddy job with the basics. One would think that the equipment would be in the form of working cameras and video equipment.

One would think🤔

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[BigCityAccountant]

LOL Dexter, we are both checking in on this case at the same time....

:laughing:

 

[dexter75]

I think of these three TH, SA and BD every day. It boggles my mind that BD is still in prison. That there's an appeal sitting on a judges desk somewhere waiting for a ruling. Why is he not released. why??? SA deserves a new trial and TH deserves a real investigation. She was treated so poorly. As far as the CJ system in the US? Are we at a point now where there needs to be properly trained jurors especially in capital/felony murder cases. Are we at a point now where forensics, dna, blood and scientific evidence is too far advanced for the understanding of the lay person? I mean look at how complicated this case is. Since the documentary people have been pouring over the evidence for nearly 6 months. Delved way more into what a jury did. There's even an FBI guy who hasn't posted on his blog since mid April because he still is undecided about SA's guilt.

Are we at a point, when each time a piece of evidence is sent to a crime lab, we must cross our fingers and HOPE this particular lab is on the up & up?
THIS lab, and it's employees, have integrity ( sobriety from employees for starters ) & are concerned more with TRUTH & JUSTICE, instead of the almighty dollar or granting favors for friends?

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[dexter75]

From your link:

"The idea of not photographing the evidence in the Steven Avery case, you just can't escape that," Turvey said. "It is either because of apathy, you just don't care, or corruption, they are willfully depriving the investigation of evidence in order to obscure the truth. It is not lack of training.

"Taking photos at a death scene is not some mysterious art form," Turvey added. "The question is: 'Why didn't they do it in this particular case?'"​

This pretty much sums it up as: corruption.

The first step to reversing this bizarre frame-up by local police is to fight for the rights of the nephew. There is absolutely no doubt that he was a pawn in this case. The forced, false statements from the nephew against Avery should form the basis of national education about what not to do in a police investigation.

Teresa Halbach's family should not be satisfied with the explanation they have been dealt to explain her murder.

Someone with authority needs to release Avery and his nephew from prison, and demand a thorough investigation in the death of Haibach. It is not sufficient to accept a statement from police about how her remains were found. The remains had to be photographed, and they weren't. Police botched the investigation from the beginning because they planned to frame Avery for her murder. They should all be fired for incompetence and corruption, and the entire investigation should be started from the beginning with fresh eyes and a fresh team. If there is no photographic evidence of bones in several burn barrels and locations, then it didn't happen. That's how it works in every other trial. That's how it should have worked in the trial for the murder of Teresa.

This is so well put, thanks for sharing.
I feel if this were my loved one, I wouldn't shut my mouth until I knew nothing but the truth, without a doubt, as to how my loved one died😔
This is perhaps one aspect of the case that bothers me the most.
If indeed TH family has looked at everything.. EVERY piece of paper written/not written. Photograph taken.
Photograph that should have been taken.
I wonder,
Do any of them ever wonder??


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[dexter75]

It's really unbelievable to read these details. This makes the investigators appear completely incompetent, or corrupt. What's hard to understand is how anyone could defend the investigation. No photos taken of the bones "in situ" at the discovery sites? Mind boggling.

Sure does

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[dexter75]

Main stream media is FINALLY reporting on what, at least IMHO, is the most mind-boggling aspect of the TH (not to mention the disservice done to TH's memory and her family in how this all played out!!). This is an article that highlights the deviation and discrepancies that surrounded the bizarre "evidence" handling of LE during that investigation. Of course, it was my favorite reporter who had the integrity to actually still be searching for the truth and brave enough to place it in local newspapers. http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/2016/06/28/absence-photos-mars-avery-investigation/86031274/

This guy nailed it!..Again!
And again, Manitowoc had already been investigated once by the DOJ.
Wouldn't you think they'd have taken TONS of pictures? Not only to cover their @$$, especially if it meant crucifying Avery!🙄
Close ups. You name it.
They couldn't photograph " evidence " that any layperson could have taken one look at & SHOUTED " liars! "
IMO

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[Jaiddie]

I think of these three TH, SA and BD every day. It boggles my mind that BD is still in prison. That there's an appeal sitting on a judges desk somewhere waiting for a ruling. Why is he not released. why??? SA deserves a new trial and TH deserves a real investigation. She was treated so poorly. As far as the CJ system in the US? Are we at a point now where there needs to be properly trained jurors especially in capital/felony murder cases. Are we at a point now where forensics, dna, blood and scientific evidence is too far advanced for the understanding of the lay person? I mean look at how complicated this case is. Since the documentary people have been pouring over the evidence for nearly 6 months. Delved way more into what a jury did. There's even an FBI guy who hasn't posted on his blog since mid April because he still is undecided about SA's guilt.

I agree 100% with you about Brendan. It was just as sickening what they did to him as what was done to SA. I recently saw a phone interview that TMZ did back in Jan with Kachenskey (sp?). While, normally, I don't hold that website in much regard, but I have to admit I found this interview to be unusually entertaining because Harvey chose to go in EXTREMELY HARD on LK, and would not let him spin any of the answers, so I greatly appreciated listening to him squirm here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfp4rFuyt-Y&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

 

[dexter75]

I agree 100% with you about Brendan. It was just as sickening what they did to him as what was done to SA. I recently saw a phone interview that TMZ did back in Jan with Kachenskey (sp?). While, normally, I don't hold that website in much regard, but I have to admit I found this interview to be unusually entertaining because Harvey chose to go in EXTREMELY HARD on LK, and would not let him spin any of the answers, so I greatly appreciated listening to him squirm here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfp4rFuyt-Y&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

😉 O, my, Gawd. Nope

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[Justiceseeker35]

Are we at a point, when each time a piece of evidence is sent to a crime lab, we must cross our fingers and HOPE this particular lab is on the up & up?
THIS lab, and it's employees, have integrity ( sobriety from employees for starters ) & are concerned more with TRUTH & JUSTICE, instead of the almighty dollar or granting favors for friends?

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My major concern is agendas are clouding justice. Agendas ranging from the first police contact- detectives- forensics- DA, judges- jury. If everyone involved in justice has their own personal agendas does justice get lost in this process? I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut here but we are staring it in the face on this case. I think it has been brewing a long time. Does this system really work? I think when we are talking about juries putting people away for life or putting people on death row. The current system doesn't cut it. Forensics and investigative science has gone so far above the lay persons head that we don't even know when LE, the forensic experts, the DA's office is pulling one over on us. Lying, fudging facts, misstating evidence, grandstanding was rampant here and still the jury believed that Kratz proved his case.

 

[dexter75]

My major concern is agendas are clouding justice. Agendas ranging from the first police contact- detectives- forensics- DA, judges- jury. If everyone involved in justice has their own personal agendas does justice get lost in this process? I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut here but we are staring it in the face on this case. I think it has been brewing a long time. Does this system really work? I think when we are talking about juries putting people away for life or putting people on death row. The current system doesn't cut it. Forensics and investigative science has gone so far above the lay persons head that we don't even know when LE, the forensic experts, the DA's office is pulling one over on us. Lying, fudging facts, misstating evidence, grandstanding was rampant here and still the jury believed that Kratz proved his case.

Does Justice get lost in the process?

Yes.
I believe it absolutely does when the main objective is an agenda, be it personal or otherwise.

IMO, justice is lost.

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[concernedmother]

Do we know if TH ever had a relationship with anyone in LE? Just wondering who had motive if Avery didnt do this. jmo.

 

[dexter75]

Do we know if TH ever had a relationship with anyone in LE? Just wondering who had motive if Avery didnt do this. jmo.

Not sure about that.
IMO, her EX may have had motive.
Her roommate
The man she was known to have relations with. ( sorry, working on my first cup of coffee now )

Other pervs around at the time this happened just because we all know there are many perverts in this world, motive enough. IMO.

Could have just been a terrible accident & LE seized the opportunity.

We will most likely never know the REAL story, unless Zellner can get to the truth.

LE never even identified the unknown prints on the RAV. And that's just for starters.


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[missy1974]

New article out.... not that they are known for their journalism lol but they did post pictures of a letter that they say was sent to them by SA.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-netflix-109089
pictures of the full article (courtesy of a poster on reddit, the pictures are reversed, first pic is page 2)
https://imgur.com/a/Peojn#jlRJdi2

The majority of the letter attacks Buting/Strang and what they did wrong, but there are a few tidbits in there that I thought were interesting:

Lack of experts for blood spatter, EDTA, bones

Didn't re-enact the "shaking of the bookcase" as reported by Colborn.

They didn't follow up on the dog tracks.

They missed that there were 6 barrels.

They didn't investigate Randant's alibi.

They ignored the evidence in the quarry.

They didn't do anything when the investigators threatened some family to say what they want or they would be put in jail (or take things from them)



Here are my thoughts, without going back into documents to search specific things. The barrels.... there was always something wrong with those dang barrels. One went to the lab and back to the property and then back to the lab. I have read posts by others on reddit who went to great lengths and details to try to figure out the barrels, I have not found one yet that made any sense of them!!!!

The bookcase.... lets be honest, Colborn lied, even if the key was not planted, he lied about shaking it. It just does not make sense, period. There is no way, no how that he shook it the way he said and the paper/coins/remote remained in the same spots they were in before he shook the key lose. (isn't this one of the things the jurors asked for to? the pictures of the bookcase?) This was my push to leaning to the innocent/framed side of the fence, if they planted the key, why? and what would stop them from planting everything else?

The dog tracking, Randant and the quarry all kinda go together for me. One of the dogs tracked from SA's property through the quarry to a cul-de-sac, which was near the deer camp, owned by Randant. Randant was on the scene day 1, he is the first person to mention a fire, he admits to being at the deer camp that day, and now I am not even sure his "alibi" was looked into, or did he even have one? His statement said something about at shift change he drove to the deer camp and noticed the fire, did they check with those employees? The quarry where the "not determined to be human" were found in the quarry. I know this is a rabbit hole, but them bones!!!!!! The first forensic anthropologist that examined the bones (sorry, can't remember the name, but he was retired and they went to him because Eisenberg was away), it's stated in docs that it was an iliac/ilium bone and the only record I see of a bone referenced to as an iliac crest bone was found in the quarry!!!! Maybe I missed something, but this has always bothered me!

Anyway.... I think the fact that he is mentioning Randant in a letter a month before something is due to be filed is interesting! I don't know if he has been on "my list", but I did find it odd that he was the first to mention the fire and no one in the family or otherwise mentions it. Note: I still don't think there was a fire that night and the family was either convinced by LE that there was after being told repeatedly that there must have been or maybe they were told to say it.... like the letter implies? I have always thought it was more of a 'false memory' thing, but will be interesting to see what the family has to say now. I know that Barb has mentioned on facebook that ST and Bobby were told what to say (not in those words, but I don't feel like researching... I know, I'm slipping lol)

oh and..... Buting being the classy guy he is responded on twitter tonight....

Jerome Buting ‏@JButing 6h6 hours ago
Please don't blame S Avery for his misdirected frustration. In his spot we'd all be unhappy. Dean & I still support his cause for justice.


Ineffective counsel is always a part of an appeal, and I'm sure there are things that they wish they had done differently, I remember reading the testimony and thinking 'omg, why didn't they ask this.... or that..." Regardless, great response from Buting IMO

Sorry for the long post. It's been awhile and when I read this earlier, I thought I would bring over here to share

 

[dexter75]

New article out.... not that they are known for their journalism lol but they did post pictures of a letter that they say was sent to them by SA.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-netflix-109089
pictures of the full article (courtesy of a poster on reddit, the pictures are reversed, first pic is page 2)
https://imgur.com/a/Peojn#jlRJdi2

The majority of the letter attacks Buting/Strang and what they did wrong, but there are a few tidbits in there that I thought were interesting:

Lack of experts for blood spatter, EDTA, bones

Didn't re-enact the "shaking of the bookcase" as reported by Colborn.

They didn't follow up on the dog tracks.

They missed that there were 6 barrels.

They didn't investigate Randant's alibi.

They ignored the evidence in the quarry.

They didn't do anything when the investigators threatened some family to say what they want or they would be put in jail (or take things from them)



Here are my thoughts, without going back into documents to search specific things. The barrels.... there was always something wrong with those dang barrels. One went to the lab and back to the property and then back to the lab. I have read posts by others on reddit who went to great lengths and details to try to figure out the barrels, I have not found one yet that made any sense of them!!!!

The bookcase.... lets be honest, Colborn lied, even if the key was not planted, he lied about shaking it. It just does not make sense, period. There is no way, no how that he shook it the way he said and the paper/coins/remote remained in the same spots they were in before he shook the key lose. (isn't this one of the things the jurors asked for to? the pictures of the bookcase?) This was my push to leaning to the innocent/framed side of the fence, if they planted the key, why? and what would stop them from planting everything else?

The dog tracking, Randant and the quarry all kinda go together for me. One of the dogs tracked from SA's property through the quarry to a cul-de-sac, which was near the deer camp, owned by Randant. Randant was on the scene day 1, he is the first person to mention a fire, he admits to being at the deer camp that day, and now I am not even sure his "alibi" was looked into, or did he even have one? His statement said something about at shift change he drove to the deer camp and noticed the fire, did they check with those employees? The quarry where the "not determined to be human" were found in the quarry. I know this is a rabbit hole, but them bones!!!!!! The first forensic anthropologist that examined the bones (sorry, can't remember the name, but he was retired and they went to him because Eisenberg was away), it's stated in docs that it was an iliac/ilium bone and the only record I see of a bone referenced to as an iliac crest bone was found in the quarry!!!! Maybe I missed something, but this has always bothered me!

Anyway.... I think the fact that he is mentioning Randant in a letter a month before something is due to be filed is interesting! I don't know if he has been on "my list", but I did find it odd that he was the first to mention the fire and no one in the family or otherwise mentions it. Note: I still don't think there was a fire that night and the family was either convinced by LE that there was after being told repeatedly that there must have been or maybe they were told to say it.... like the letter implies? I have always thought it was more of a 'false memory' thing, but will be interesting to see what the family has to say now. I know that Barb has mentioned on facebook that ST and Bobby were told what to say (not in those words, but I don't feel like researching... I know, I'm slipping lol)

oh and..... Buting being the classy guy he is responded on twitter tonight....

Jerome Buting ‏@JButing 6h6 hours ago
Please don't blame S Avery for his misdirected frustration. In his spot we'd all be unhappy. Dean & I still support his cause for justice.


Ineffective counsel is always a part of an appeal, and I'm sure there are things that they wish they had done differently, I remember reading the testimony and thinking 'omg, why didn't they ask this.... or that..." Regardless, great response from Buting IMO

Sorry for the long post. It's been awhile and when I read this earlier, I thought I would bring over here to share

Excellent points made😉

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[BigCityAccountant]

New article out.... not that they are known for their journalism lol but they did post pictures of a letter that they say was sent to them by SA.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-netflix-109089
pictures of the full article (courtesy of a poster on reddit, the pictures are reversed, first pic is page 2)
https://imgur.com/a/Peojn#jlRJdi2

The majority of the letter attacks Buting/Strang and what they did wrong, but there are a few tidbits in there that I thought were interesting:

Lack of experts for blood spatter, EDTA, bones

Didn't re-enact the "shaking of the bookcase" as reported by Colborn.

They didn't follow up on the dog tracks.

They missed that there were 6 barrels.

They didn't investigate Randant's alibi.

They ignored the evidence in the quarry.

They didn't do anything when the investigators threatened some family to say what they want or they would be put in jail (or take things from them)



Here are my thoughts, without going back into documents to search specific things. The barrels.... there was always something wrong with those dang barrels. One went to the lab and back to the property and then back to the lab. I have read posts by others on reddit who went to great lengths and details to try to figure out the barrels, I have not found one yet that made any sense of them!!!!

The bookcase.... lets be honest, Colborn lied, even if the key was not planted, he lied about shaking it. It just does not make sense, period. There is no way, no how that he shook it the way he said and the paper/coins/remote remained in the same spots they were in before he shook the key lose. (isn't this one of the things the jurors asked for to? the pictures of the bookcase?) This was my push to leaning to the innocent/framed side of the fence, if they planted the key, why? and what would stop them from planting everything else?

The dog tracking, Randant and the quarry all kinda go together for me. One of the dogs tracked from SA's property through the quarry to a cul-de-sac, which was near the deer camp, owned by Randant. Randant was on the scene day 1, he is the first person to mention a fire, he admits to being at the deer camp that day, and now I am not even sure his "alibi" was looked into, or did he even have one? His statement said something about at shift change he drove to the deer camp and noticed the fire, did they check with those employees? The quarry where the "not determined to be human" were found in the quarry. I know this is a rabbit hole, but them bones!!!!!! The first forensic anthropologist that examined the bones (sorry, can't remember the name, but he was retired and they went to him because Eisenberg was away), it's stated in docs that it was an iliac/ilium bone and the only record I see of a bone referenced to as an iliac crest bone was found in the quarry!!!! Maybe I missed something, but this has always bothered me!

Anyway.... I think the fact that he is mentioning Randant in a letter a month before something is due to be filed is interesting! I don't know if he has been on "my list", but I did find it odd that he was the first to mention the fire and no one in the family or otherwise mentions it. Note: I still don't think there was a fire that night and the family was either convinced by LE that there was after being told repeatedly that there must have been or maybe they were told to say it.... like the letter implies? I have always thought it was more of a 'false memory' thing, but will be interesting to see what the family has to say now. I know that Barb has mentioned on facebook that ST and Bobby were told what to say (not in those words, but I don't feel like researching... I know, I'm slipping lol)

oh and..... Buting being the classy guy he is responded on twitter tonight....

Jerome Buting ‏@JButing 6h6 hours ago
Please don't blame S Avery for his misdirected frustration. In his spot we'd all be unhappy. Dean & I still support his cause for justice.


Ineffective counsel is always a part of an appeal, and I'm sure there are things that they wish they had done differently, I remember reading the testimony and thinking 'omg, why didn't they ask this.... or that..." Regardless, great response from Buting IMO

Sorry for the long post. It's been awhile and when I read this earlier, I thought I would bring over here to share

Hi Missy!!! :seeya: Hope your having a great summer!!! Thanks for posting this!!! I noted the "new info" SA had in his letter too. Randant is on my short list. IIRC, he was at the deer camp at 4:30 pm and yes, his alibi has never been followed up on. I thought I had connected him to someone else (SS, maybe) through property records. The family member I'm thinking he is referring to is Brendan, but I could be wrong.

Do we know if there was a relationship between Randant and GZ or his family?

 

[missy1974]

Hi BCA My summer is going okay..... hope you are enjoying yours!

I don't know if we were able to connect him with anyone, if I get a chance, I will look back! I was thinking though.... the lights that SA/CA saw on the Thursday and Friday nights. SA's trailer was pretty easily accessible from the quarry, especially if it was an ATV and not a vehicle (would explain why it was gone so quick when SA went back to investigate). Where the RAV4 was found.... is also pretty easily accessible from the quarry. The flyover video that we saw, or the parts that were released.... there was a burning barrel in the quarry. I know he was on the scene and signed the log the first day, but I'm also pretty sure that he was there more than just that 1 time.... what for?

In SA's letter to the magazine, he said "some of my people" were told what to say.... so I think he means more than just Brendan.

I really can't wait for KZ to file something LOL I want some of these dots connected... especially that cell phone info!!!!!

 

[Jaiddie]

New article out.... not that they are known for their journalism lol but they did post pictures of a letter that they say was sent to them by SA.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-netflix-109089
pictures of the full article (courtesy of a poster on reddit, the pictures are reversed, first pic is page 2)
https://imgur.com/a/Peojn#jlRJdi2

The majority of the letter attacks Buting/Strang and what they did wrong, but there are a few tidbits in there that I thought were interesting:

Lack of experts for blood spatter, EDTA, bones

Didn't re-enact the "shaking of the bookcase" as reported by Colborn.

They didn't follow up on the dog tracks.

They missed that there were 6 barrels.

They didn't investigate Randant's alibi.

They ignored the evidence in the quarry.

They didn't do anything when the investigators threatened some family to say what they want or they would be put in jail (or take things from them)



Here are my thoughts, without going back into documents to search specific things. The barrels.... there was always something wrong with those dang barrels. One went to the lab and back to the property and then back to the lab. I have read posts by others on reddit who went to great lengths and details to try to figure out the barrels, I have not found one yet that made any sense of them!!!!

The bookcase.... lets be honest, Colborn lied, even if the key was not planted, he lied about shaking it. It just does not make sense, period. There is no way, no how that he shook it the way he said and the paper/coins/remote remained in the same spots they were in before he shook the key lose. (isn't this one of the things the jurors asked for to? the pictures of the bookcase?) This was my push to leaning to the innocent/framed side of the fence, if they planted the key, why? and what would stop them from planting everything else?

The dog tracking, Randant and the quarry all kinda go together for me. One of the dogs tracked from SA's property through the quarry to a cul-de-sac, which was near the deer camp, owned by Randant. Randant was on the scene day 1, he is the first person to mention a fire, he admits to being at the deer camp that day, and now I am not even sure his "alibi" was looked into, or did he even have one? His statement said something about at shift change he drove to the deer camp and noticed the fire, did they check with those employees? The quarry where the "not determined to be human" were found in the quarry. I know this is a rabbit hole, but them bones!!!!!! The first forensic anthropologist that examined the bones (sorry, can't remember the name, but he was retired and they went to him because Eisenberg was away), it's stated in docs that it was an iliac/ilium bone and the only record I see of a bone referenced to as an iliac crest bone was found in the quarry!!!! Maybe I missed something, but this has always bothered me!

Anyway.... I think the fact that he is mentioning Randant in a letter a month before something is due to be filed is interesting! I don't know if he has been on "my list", but I did find it odd that he was the first to mention the fire and no one in the family or otherwise mentions it. Note: I still don't think there was a fire that night and the family was either convinced by LE that there was after being told repeatedly that there must have been or maybe they were told to say it.... like the letter implies? I have always thought it was more of a 'false memory' thing, but will be interesting to see what the family has to say now. I know that Barb has mentioned on facebook that ST and Bobby were told what to say (not in those words, but I don't feel like researching... I know, I'm slipping lol)

oh and..... Buting being the classy guy he is responded on twitter tonight....

Jerome Buting ‏@JButing 6h6 hours ago
Please don't blame S Avery for his misdirected frustration. In his spot we'd all be unhappy. Dean & I still support his cause for justice.


Ineffective counsel is always a part of an appeal, and I'm sure there are things that they wish they had done differently, I remember reading the testimony and thinking 'omg, why didn't they ask this.... or that..." Regardless, great response from Buting IMO

Sorry for the long post. It's been awhile and when I read this earlier, I thought I would bring over here to share

Hi, missy, (& evry1 else here that has just been biding their time till Aug 29 hits! ) Just wanted to drop my :twocents: in here. About the letter, Steven DEFINITELY wrote the letter and Zellner did NOT set it up or know about it. This is from Sandra G who left a post about it on the family FB page (I am leaving a link to her statement she made about it below) and from what I understood about the conversation SG was saying that Steven had a "friend" (quotation marks around friend was also included from Sandra, LOL) who set this up and now it was left to Sandra to have to try to clean it up. She seems to have much animosity towards this "friend", which is understandable, considering the letter to IN TOUCH makes mention of Lynn and that SA loves her. Lynn seems to be the new "girlfriend" of SA and if it is true she was instrumental in setting this article up, SA is a fool for just trusting someone that he doesn't know to have his best interests at heart over someone (namely SG) who HAS been instrumental in getting to Zellner in the first place years ago. How does he know that this Lynn person wasn't setup by someone from the prosecution side to be in contact and get close to him in order to do something JUST LIKE THIS. SA is known to be very reactionary and a hothead so I have no problem envisioning this as a possible tool to throw a money wrench in SA appeal process. He needs to start listening to his attorney and stop making her job more difficult that it already is. http://imgur.com/vMEBvfA