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[Lanie]

> Respectfully snipped<

He also asked who *I* did in.... Nice.

He doesn't follow this case at all but said it's obvios to him that *whomever this Caylee is* she is dead, he body was in the car without being placed in any bag or anything for 2-3 days and choloroform was used either on her or in the trunk. Hair won't normally have cloroform in it even in trace amounts due to death so unless a trace amount was spilled on it it was chemically induced as in ingested prior to death, even more than once.

He said he'd like to see the fiber samples which would most likely contain skin samples from fluids that they can pull DNA from.


Ok, that's what I got before he had to leave.


Hope this helps!

That's funny!

Tell him thank you so much for the info.
Lanie

 

[sweetwater]

Not that I agree with Cindy's rationale (beacuse I DO NOT) but I read her comments about the car and LE not being in any hurry to collect it, together with the rest of her commentary, as her way of trying to make a defense of whatever *someone(s)* did to the car before LE finally collected it. She's like " well, who really cares what so-and-so did to it, washed or otherwise, since it wasn't that important to LE anyway, right?" :bang: , I know, but it's the way I read her mind...

I'm pretty much with you on this. However, it's all about context. LE came out to check out a whacked-out series of 911 calls and a possible missing child report. They spent from around midnight til noon the next day getting blown-away by the sheer BS and chillingly psychopathic responses of Casey until they finally said this is creepy bad, your daughter is missing and you could care less and you are under arrest. Then they processed their report and went for the car. Cindy and George, I suppose, spent the day cleaning the car. They had to know that it would come into play as evidence or even as a crime scene.
Cindy takes advantage of whatever she can.:furious::behindbar

 

[tehcloser]

This makes the a's look more involved in the cover up. Imo.

 

[karen7868]

There are several photos of the car, sitting in the Forensics Bay the day it was towed in for testing. Although the car had sat out for a least 2 weeks, Amscot, tow yard,... and who knows where before that, it is shiny, sparkly clean.
You don't think Cindy let that car sit dirty, do you? And where do you think her disclaimer came from- she threw out that LE hadn't seemed the least bit interested in the car the night of the 15th. That's Cindyspeak for, what, I did something wrong having my "OCD car cleaning" husband detail the car??? Caylee died and was left to decompose in the trunk.
:bang:There were maggots in the car.

ITA! The "shiny , sparkly clean" is exactly what noticed right off when they were showing those pics. The Tow Manager, Simon, do you think they have had him look at the car again for comparisons?

 

[Chezhire]

This claim of Dr. Baden and LP doesn't really have anything to do with this latest doc dump. Maybe that should be another thread.

Yes, it does. The reason is that WSers are herein speculating upon and discussing what is NOT contained in the docs. produced. The discussion goes straight to WHY they wouldn't be produced (as in, a 3rd party, and not LE, performed the DNA analysis.)

 

[darlin gal]

All they need to do is look at Caylee's DNA profile (which they have) and they can tell if her parents were related.

 

[shelbar53]

I thought I read somewhere earlier that LE said they could tell what position caylee was laying in the tunk of the car. So far I dont think I saw any forenics about the "stain" yet. I think there is so much more info to come.

 

[lizzysf]

I think the trunk itself is a low oxygen environment.

In death, the body's cell no longer are oxygenated. There are both aerobic and anaerobic microorganisms....those that thrive in oxygen rich environments, and those that thrive in oxygen poor or oxygen absent environments. Anaerobic decomposition, therefore would occur in a decomposing body (non-oxygenated)...either human or animal. The compounds they found in the air sample showed 80% human related decompostion byproducts.
It has nothing to do with the body being oxygen deprived in any way other than by the cellular death and decomp process itself. Organic chemistry 101.
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[Mendara]

lets also not forget that any scientific evidence has to be taken in context with all the circumstanial evidence
the non reporting, the odd behavior, the lies etc

with that said, I don't believe this is it, I believe they have even more

This may only be the very early stages of the forensic info that was "leaked" to the media early on. I bet there are additional pages with further testing. There is a lot missing from this report. I am sure they tested other parts of the car and took photos as well.

 

[Blink34]

la...

Not true, Chez, he refused to give a sample of his DNA without a warrant.
A DNA test to establish or exclude paternity needs to be specifically referenced in the warrant, but I cant recall if it was sealed.

 

[Chezhire]

What would be considered "debris" in this case exactly?

Random bits and pieces of things that aren't worth designating as specific category.

 

[impatientredhead]

I thought the 2.6 days meant the age of the corpse at the time it was in the car. I wonder if KC put the body in the car on Jun 19th and actually disposed of her then but some of the fluid stayed and the odor worsened as time went on. I looked at the time line and cell pings for June 19th, apparently she did not use the phone for 12 hrs that day.

It does refer to the aging of the corpse. If you go to any of the bodyfarm links they talk in length about the purpose/design of these tests and the different amounts and types of gases that will be present at different times of decomp.

June 19th is the day she looks at the apartment with Tony isn't it? 2.6 days if she died on the 16th would be early morning of the 19th.

 

[princess]

All they need to do is look at Caylee's DNA profile (which they have) and they can tell if her parents were related.

I will have to look for the link here..but a poster who is knowledgeable said that was untrue. And explained the whole reason why..

 

[butwhatif?]

If this is the best they have and I was Jose Baez I would go to trial. KC was damned lucky she put those gasoline cans in the trunk.

My thoughts exactly... And lucky she had all those texts messages and stolen petrol incidents on record....to prove she always had lots of 'em rollin' around back there in the trunk.

 

[Blink34]

Well, LP has been a telling us for a looong time now that he knows who the father is. :waitasec: Just a reminder, folks.

NOT you too! I dont think I could win an argument with you- your too smart for me!! LP just overtalks me..lol

No I DO NOT think it is who he believes it is, but admittedly, he and TP think I am just naive on that issue. I am sticking to my original pick, which I think makes sense if you string the dates for testing, Baez motion, test results, etc, and have been pretty vocal about it. I think compelling also is that Kobi after being hired, pointed out specifically that the mtdna result could also be that of LA. He was not prompted on that, and if you were trying to deflect, you would not bring that up.

I took that to mean that they were of the opinion that LE was not going to be able to establish paternity, thus a complete DNA profile of the person owning the " decomposed hair". Thus, in there opinion, short of findind her remains- somewhat easily refutable evidence.

ALSO- THEIR IS/WAS a root on the sample... hint hint..

 

[Noway]

Hmm ... I took the no pizza in the trunk to mean when they got the car and did their testing, not that there had never been pizza in the trunk.

Because the bag with the pizza and papers had been thrown into the towyard garbage and later retrieved by LE.

 

[Capri]

Ok....I havent read past the first few pages, but people are saying it proves the death band and what i'm reading is the first test showed characteristics of apparent decomp.
Then the FBI tests it and concludes....
"Specimens Q22 through Q25 and debris collected from specimens Q26 through Q28 were examined for the presence of hairs exhibiting characteristics of apparent decomposition; however none were found.
None were found by the FBI.

keep reading, esp. pg. 24

 

[Apex-mom]

..tony had a pic since deleted in his facebook that showed a man and woman in a sexual manner and a statement about choloform,..i dont know how to add a link, but the pic i saved as is in my profile pics

can we see this pic???this would seem to be very important!! can we see it on your profile?

 

[karen7868]

I believe most tow yards take photographs of impounded autos to prove the reason for impounding it. If they did, it could show if the car had been washed or not.

But what about inside the trunk? Simon was there when George opened the trunk, right?

 

[sweetwater]

Please tell me they got that shop vac!

Me, too, I've wondered and wished for this for months.
I'm sure it's been chloroformed, too, though.
In fact, I would go to the landfill and go through all the anthony's garbage, if I ran the world.