Found: a tooth

[Topsail Girl]

Well - I'm going to sign off now to watch the news and then go to bed. Early day tomorrow and busy weekend. I'll catch up with ya'll on Sunday afternoon or Monday. Have a good weekend everyone


Thanks to all for all the insight and info!!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

yes...red herring for sure...if this case involves overwhelming circumstantial evidence, (which i think it will) the tooth isn't going to be a big problem, IMO.......it could be that most all of Michelle's teeth were knocked out/shattered...that would be in the ME's report for sure....another tooth of MY's found later wouldn't surprise me really, when i think about it......

It doesn't surprise me. LE have been known to miss other evidence before......it happens sometimes. I think that the tooth is most likely Michelle's. In the Pamela Vitale bludgeoning wasn't part of her tooth found close to the doorway?

Sounds consistent with a bludgeoning imo.

Happy Holidays everyone!

IMO

Ocean

 

[close_enough]

It doesn't surprise me. LE have been known to miss other evidence before......it happens sometimes. I think that the tooth is most likely Michelle's. In the Pamela Vitale bludgeoning wasn't part of her tooth found close to the doorway?

Sounds consistent with a bludgeoning imo.

Happy Holidays everyone!

IMO

Ocean

& Happy Holidays to you too, lol...

i think you're right about the tooth being found after Pamela Vitale's murder...

 

[pack_fan]

It doesn't surprise me. LE have been known to miss other evidence before......it happens sometimes. I think that the tooth is most likely Michelle's. In the Pamela Vitale bludgeoning wasn't part of her tooth found close to the doorway?

Sounds consistent with a bludgeoning imo.

Happy Holidays everyone!

IMO

Ocean

Am I alone here thinking that the tooth is pretty much irrelevant? I would suspect with the blount force trauma, it wouldn't have been the only one. If it is indeed determined to be Michelle's, I don't see that any of it matters. I don't buy that the defense would get very far with the claim "what else did they miss". I think that the evidence is going to be in hotel records, possible bank account usage, and other things. As much time as LE spent in the house and the effort going into verifying his travel, phone records, etc..... I think the discovery of a tooth after the fact is going to be trivial. The case will be won or lost by them placing him at the scene through phone, travel, money, etc....

 

[close_enough]

Well - I'm going to sign off now to watch the news and then go to bed. Early day tomorrow and busy weekend. I'll catch up with ya'll on Sunday afternoon or Monday. Have a good weekend everyone


Thanks to all for all the insight and info!!

night Topsail...& thank YOU again, for all the info

 

[close_enough]

Am I alone here thinking that the tooth is pretty much irrelevant? I would suspect with the blount force trauma, it wouldn't have been the only one. If it is indeed determined to be Michelle's, I don't see that any of it matters. I don't buy that the defense would get very far with the claim "what else did they miss". I think that the evidence is going to be in hotel records, possible bank account usage, and other things. As much time as LE spent in the house and the effort going into verifying his travel, phone records, etc..... I think the discovery of a tooth after the fact is going to be trivial. The case will be won or lost by them placing him at the scene through phone, travel, money, etc....

no, you're not alone....i don't think the defense would get far with this tooth either....i think there will be overwhelming circumstantial evidence to place JY at the scene.....jmo

 

[close_enough]

Well, there you have it. The PR offense is starting already.

I did not see this article. Thanks!

you're welcome evelyn.....& yes, it's starting already...

 

[jilly]

Again something isn't right - The typing says sister in law but the video clearly says sister

I bet it's his sister then.

 

[close_enough]

She did star in Golden Girls but I think this was before Golden Girls. She was married to a guy and had a daughter named Phyllis - along the same time as All in the Family and The Jeffersons...OOOHH my head hurts :waitasec:

hmmm, was the daughter played by Adrienne Barbeau?? (sp?).....that show was actually called "Maude", i believe.....

sorry O/T, but just noticed this post...

 

[close_enough]

I bet it's his sister then.

evening jilly

i think so....

 

[close_enough]

I hadn't seen this article either. Thanks for posting it here RC. So many threads to keep up with now - not complaining....not complaining!!

So the tooth was found by Jason's sister-in-law. Do we know if Jason has a brother? I just seem to remember that he travelled back to Raleigh with his sister and brother-in-law. Maybe it was Meredith - she's his sister-in-law.

I agree Evelyn the offense has started. They were awfully quick to comment.

that's what i understand also, from what i've gathered....JY has a sister..(but i could be wrong)

 

[raisincharlie]

Am I alone here thinking that the tooth is pretty much irrelevant? I would suspect with the blount force trauma, it wouldn't have been the only one. If it is indeed determined to be Michelle's, I don't see that any of it matters. I don't buy that the defense would get very far with the claim "what else did they miss". I think that the evidence is going to be in hotel records, possible bank account usage, and other things. As much time as LE spent in the house and the effort going into verifying his travel, phone records, etc..... I think the discovery of a tooth after the fact is going to be trivial. The case will be won or lost by them placing him at the scene through phone, travel, money, etc....

I am in complete agreement with you on this. The tooth will be a toy for the defense team towards doubting the integrity of the LE involved but if everything else stacks up, it won't matter.

Personally, I think these folks need to be careful - especially if they have been on the web spreading misinformation - it may well come back to bite them when they are put on the stand, and they may well end up on the stand, at least in the defense CIC.

 

[jilly]

evening jilly

i think so....

'evening close!:blowkiss: Got 15 more minutes before CSI comes on. Gotta keep up with the latest techniques. lol. My hubby just shakes his head and keeps asking "Don't you ever get enough?" as I go from computer to TV. :crazy:

 

[pack_fan]

I am in complete agreement with you on this. The tooth will be a toy for the defense team towards doubting the integrity of the LE involved but if everything else stacks up, it won't matter.

Personally, I think these folks need to be careful - especially if they have been on the web spreading misinformation - it may well come back to bite them when they are put on the stand, and they may well end up on the stand, at least in the defense CIC.

You are right rc. I know more than I would ever post on this board or any other. Obviously second hand info but I don't feel like it's my place to throw it out there for everyone else to view. Although the the people that gave me the info I would trust with my life, they weren't there that night and I can't say it's the absolute truth so...... I'll keep it to myself.

Interesting that you spoke with JTF, I would just about bet that I know or know of this person. Part of me wants to know who and the smart half says leave it alone!

 

[raisincharlie]

You are right rc. I know more than I would ever post on this board or any other. Obviously second hand info but I don't feel like it's my place to throw it out there for everyone else to view. Although the the people that gave me the info I would trust with my life, they weren't there that night and I can't say it's the absolute truth so...... I'll keep it to myself.

Interesting that you spoke with JTF, I would just about bet that I know or know of this person. Part of me wants to know who and the smart half says leave it alone!

Pack - fan,

I think you have taken an admirable position in this and without a doubt, a smart choice in taking that position. I think you should be proud of yourself for this positon, it shows loyalty and great strength. I feel very sorry for all of those that are friends, and family. This is a position no one should ever have to be in IMO, but unfortunately I don't get to make the rules. There is a part of me that hopes JY is not involved, for baby Cassidy's sake.

I don't want to know who JTF is either.

Peace

 

[close_enough]

'evening close!:blowkiss: Got 15 more minutes before CSI comes on. Gotta keep up with the latest techniques. lol. My hubby just shakes his head and keeps asking "Don't you ever get enough?" as I go from computer to TV. :crazy:

nite jilly :blowkiss:

my hubby just shakes his head also..lol

i sure thought something would 'break' in this case this week....with the investigators briefing the DA today, maybe tomorrow????....(sighs)

 

[jilly]

nite jilly :blowkiss:

my hubby just shakes his head also..lol

i sure thought something would 'break' in this case this week....with the investigators briefing the DA today, maybe tomorrow????....(sighs)

I'm back...... Twas a repeat! But I had to finish my popcorn! hehe.

Maybe tomorrow but I'm not too optimistic somehow.

 

[scandi]

What a slew of grand posts! Thanks Charlie and Close for the link as it really said a lot. And Jilly, I just wish I had a man to shake his head! { remember this little icon during the Sp case? Baa Haa Haa Haaaaaaaaaaa :slap:

So I think the last line in that article says so much. The investigators confering with the DA or prosecutors office. I don't think they would do this unless they had a suspect well in mind and were counting all of the ducks to get an airtight case. I've read they've met before like this.

Hi pack_fan! I appreciate your attitude as well. I'm just nosey when it comes to crime and want to know every little tidbit I can. But in a case like this I don't want anything to interrupt the flow of justice for Michelle and her little boy. It's better to let these insiders be un-named and sink the person they are trying to defend.

Charlie, if they were in court and the prosecution brought up the fact a certain 'insider' had said in a post on a crime forum, and if true would mean the witness was possibly commiting perjury, would they subpena {sp} the posts from CTV.

You know Charlie I don't expect you to know that answer LOL but mainly want your thought on that.

Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

What a slew of grand posts! Thanks Charlie and Close for the link as it really said a lot. And Jilly, I just wish I had a man to shake his head! { remember this little icon during the Sp case? Baa Haa Haa Haaaaaaaaaaa :slap:

So I think the last line in that article says so much. The investigators confering with the DA or prosecutors office. I don't think they would do this unless they had a suspect well in mind and were counting all of the ducks to get an airtight case. I've read they've met before like this.

Hi pack_fan! I appreciate your attitude as well. I'm just nosey when it comes to crime and want to know every little tidbit I can. But in a case like this I don't want anything to interrupt the flow of justice for Michelle and her little boy. It's better to let these insiders be un-named and sink the person they are trying to defend.

Charlie, if they were in court and the prosecution brought up the fact a certain 'insider' had said in a post on a crime forum, and if true would mean the witness was possibly commiting perjury, would they subpena {sp} the posts from CTV.

You know Charlie I don't expect you to know that answer LOL but mainly want your thought on that.

Scandi

Seems to me, if a defense team is by any chance reading or keeping up at the forums, there is also a possibility it is being monitored as well by either the DA or LE. For all we know they may have downloaded those posts already but for court, it may be they would need to subpeona CTV for verification at a minimum. I don't have any clue how CTV would react...

I do know for example in the Bobbie Jo Stinnett case - the owner of a website actually helped the MHP track Lisa Montgomery down through reviewing posts and then going back to find the service provider to locate the area where she lived. That was done willingly and was actually instrumental in finding her so quickly. I know for trial purposes however the Feds went back and issued subpeonas in order to correctly preserve this evidence and to gather other posts etc from this website.

So, truthfully I don't know but I would be willing to bet there was a lawyer involved in removing the posts about the boy IMO.

 

[jilly]

What a slew of grand posts! Thanks Charlie and Close for the link as it really said a lot. And Jilly, I just wish I had a man to shake his head! { remember this little icon during the Sp case? Baa Haa Haa Haaaaaaaaaaa :slap:

So I think the last line in that article says so much. The investigators confering with the DA or prosecutors office. I don't think they would do this unless they had a suspect well in mind and were counting all of the ducks to get an airtight case. I've read they've met before like this.

Scandi

Well Scandi if he would limit it to shaking his head I wouldn't mind but he's actually interrupted me far too much today while I'm trying to focus here!
And yes :laugh: I do remember, lol.

eta Regarding the DA - you could be right. One thing, this DA is very involved and that's encouraging.