Found: a tooth

[peepers20056]

ARE ALL mY Fellow WEBSLEUTHERS OKAY. I am IN CANADA & WE were hit by abad storm last night. the pictures I see Of where it hit you are Worse than I can see right now for now us. Any way How are all my new friends fairing . my foPrayer's for all you folk's. Including friend's and family of course. Everyone !!! you know what I am saying ey ey .Take care eveyone .I know power may down where you are but I just wqnt you all to know I am thing Of you ALL. OKAY EY':angel:

 

[peepers20056]

I had to come back & Sorry for my spelling.I get nervous try my finger's do the running so to speak.I am burning a ST.Padre Pio candle Alll to be OKAY. :angel: :angel: :angel:

 

[raisincharlie]

I had to come back & Sorry for my spelling.I get nervous try my finger's do the running so to speak.I am burning a ST.Padre Pio candle Alll to be OKAY. :angel: :angel: :angel:

Peepers,

Thanks for your thoughts - we got hit with this storm - for us it was mostly ice - about an inch and a half then 12 inches of snow. We are doing okay, running on generators and have a couple of fireplaces and room for some neighbors. It will soon be back to normal and so far I have heard of no dire consequences resulting from the storm in this area. Again thank you for your kind thoughts - appreciate it.

 

[peepers20056]

Thank you so much for your reply. Much appreciated. When I read your reply all at the same the sun come blaring through my window onto the screen of my computer. good news often comes in mysteriousways. :angel: Happy to hear your okay.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I would think that they would replace the pad and carpet instead of having it cleaned. Blood would have soaked into the plywood flooring below the pad even. So did his sister find the tooth before it was cleaned? She would have had to if it was replaced. Were they just standing there looking at the bloody crime scene and the sisters says look , I just found a piece of a tooth? I just can't imagine them even looking at it. I wonder if Jason was there at the time. I could never see that bedroom the way it was after the murder of a loved one.

Exactly. We dont know if the carpet was saturated or how thick it was...it may have only been fine sprays on it but you are right if it is soaked then the carpet must be taken up and the plywood beneath it treated and this doesn't happen in just one day's cleaning either. Special chemicals have to be applied and then they bring in huge blowers. Biological materials will breed if not completely removed and will become a health hazard.

I think that most of the blood was found on the bed itself including headboard and walls. Maybe even some back swing blood spatter slung on the ceiling from the weapon used. I have seen cases where LE have investigated how tall someone would have to be and how high they would have to swing the weapon for blood to land on the ceiling. It gives them (if weapon was not left behind) a general size used.

I also think Michelle had multiple fractures and breaks to her teeth. Somehow they missed this one. Could have landed in a very out of the way place and overlooked.

At least it was found before any arrest has been made.

IMO

Ocean

 

[packerdog]

Exactly. We dont know if the carpet was saturated or how thick it was...it may have only been fine sprays on it but you are right if it is soaked then the carpet must be taken up and the plywood beneath it treated and this doesn't happen in just one day's cleaning either. Special chemicals have to be applied and then they bring in huge blowers. Biological materials will breed if not completely removed and will become a health hazard.

I think that most of the blood was found on the bed itself including headboard and walls. Maybe even some back swing blood spatter slung on the ceiling from the weapon used. I have seen cases where LE have investigated how tall someone would have to be and how high they would have to swing the weapon for blood to land on the ceiling. It gives them (if weapon was not left behind) a general size used.

I also think Michelle had multiple fractures and breaks to her teeth. Somehow they missed this one. Could have landed in a very out of the way place and overlooked.

At least it was found before any arrest has been made.

IMO

Ocean

Right Ocean, they have lots of ways to find out how tall the murderer was where he struck and with what forced was used. Just as blood splatters so could teeth if it was a forceful blow to the head. I just can't imagine not changing the carpet if they live there or sell the home. I also wonder what color the carpet was, if it's light and blood sat on it for 13 days, I would think it would be hard to remove.

 

[strach304]

strach, with such a FORCEFUL blow - teeth have been known 'to go flying'... Is it possible one tooth ricocheted off the waal, a bed post .. etc?

Think of when us gals lose a pierced-aearring stud ... they bounce into the most inconceivable places.

Just thinking along with your thoughts ...

Oh yeah sure, not wondering how it got under the bed at all but rather how Jason's sister came to find it there? After reading some of the other posters threads I'm envisioning how hard she had to have been hit to make her teeth fly out is just awful! :sick:

 

[strach304]

Yes, I'd be bothered, too, strach. Until, that is, the prosecution show the court the velocity and viciousness of the blows ... and HOW many OTHER teeth were knocked out ... and that a few were found, one could easily have got lodged under a piece of carpet. .... OR ... It remained in the murder weapon and before JY got rid of it ... on one of his return trips home, he planted it.

That's why LE photograph and peg EVERY SINGLE SPEC of evidence - pick it up with gloves and bag it. Did JY's family do this? We don't and won't know right now. Nevertheless, this may have been overlooked and agreed: ERROR by LE.

If it was found in the room, it should not have been picked up and handed to LE. ERROR by family.

Equalizer!!

JY invested a fortune in Smith: should have called him in PLUS LE and photographed it in the usual way. We'd need to know if this happened 'procedurally correct', so to speak.

O/T !!! OMG!!! SA just won the Rugby 7's! minutes ago!! :woohoo:

No I wasn't talking about them overlooking the tooth being a problem but that it would be brought up by the defense yes. As a juror I'd be bothered that Jason didn't help investigators identify missing items from the house but are quick to run to them with what they did find and blab to the media. See? The situation being the tooth. Of course now add to that the lawyer right away because neither Jason or his family can say that he didn't have legal representation at that time because he did and could've surely taken his lawyer with him just like he did for the dna and fingerprinting order.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

"Right Ocean, they have lots of ways to find out how tall the murderer was where he struck and with what forced was used."

I disagree about "LOTS of ways". But, yes, if there is blood spatter, a blood spatter expert can testify.

 

[scandi]

Oh, blood spatter. We don't have a thread for the crime scene per se, but I just watched a Forensic Files about the death of Maria Lehner {sp} who was killed by John Memmer. The key piece of evidence in the case was on dark brown spot on his shoe about the size of a pin head.

They used a swab and pure water to get a sample of it, and sure enough it was Maria's blood. I believe she was pregnant too as he got two life sentences.

In our case, if they found a spot of Michelle's blood on his shoe or in the metal band of his watch, wouldn't that alone be enough to nail him for her murder?

I'm torn now with all of these fingerprints being taken to match one they have found that must be a meaningful one from where they found it. I wonder if LE thinks the crime looks like a two person crime and he had an assistant at the house with him. Then again the Sheriff saie 'the' arrest, so it leaves me going :waitasec:

I just hear 'Daddy did it' too clearly on that 911 tape.

Scandi

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No I wasn't talking about them overlooking the tooth being a problem but that it would be brought up by the defense yes. As a juror I'd be bothered that Jason didn't help investigators identify missing items from the house but are quick to run to them with what they did find and blab to the media. See? The situation being the tooth. Of course now add to that the lawyer right away because neither Jason or his family can say that he didn't have legal representation at that time because he did and could've surely taken his lawyer with him just like he did for the dna and fingerprinting order.

Would a jury be told that? I thought everyone had a right not to talk to police and that cant be held against him. I am not sure that would be entered at trial by the presiding Judge.

But Jason has not blabbed anything to the media has he? LOL I wish he "would" talk.

 

[fran]

Would a jury be told that? I thought everyone had a right not to talk to police and that cant be held against him. I am not sure that would be entered at trial by the presiding Judge.

But Jason has not blabbed anything to the media has he? LOL I wish he "would" talk.

Hi oceanblueeyes:

I think it can't be held against a defendent if he doesn't testify in his own behalf during trial. I got off on that point for jury duty. Long story, but because of an incident involving someone I know where there was a 'false' statement by one in authority, I've decided that anyone not testifying IF people are lying about them on the stand, then they should have just pleaded guilty and be ready to do their time. Otherwise, get up there and let the jury know whatever bad that has been spoken about them is just plain not true. Just my opinion

I do believe they could tell a jury that he never gave LE a statement after he returned. That, IMHO, speaks volumes. There's only one reason a husband would refuse or avoid LE if his wife were killed when he was supposed to be out of town. But of course, a jury would have to make up their own mind on why he didn't talk to LE.

JMHO
fran

 

[Samiya]

Maybe the reason he hasn't been interviewed is, apart from being told not to...they may not want to interview him because the last thing LE need is two different statements from him in court..one where he denies it all the way through and second one where he may just break down and admit it.....and JY's stepfather screaming they forced the confession out of him, and in court JY's Lawyer deliberately mixing up the statements to confuse a jury and force reasonable doubt in their minds.

 

[strach304]

Would a jury be told that? I thought everyone had a right not to talk to police and that cant be held against him. I am not sure that would be entered at trial by the presiding Judge.

But Jason has not blabbed anything to the media has he? LOL I wish he "would" talk.

I'm sure his lawyer would file a motion not to allow it in because it would be prejudicial but otherwise I don't see why not. If the prosecutor wants it in he'd have to argue it on merits. What do I know I'm not a lawyer. I guess after Scott Peterson they all know not to talk to the media but my point about that was his family which I specified in the first post but ran it together I see to make it look like I meant Jason only.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

scandi and Ocean - hiya

Re blood spatter: my speculation on a different theory ONLY...

For argument's sakes, let's say MY was on the floor, near the bed and wall. If there was low-lying blood spatter and Meredith could not move her, we have to assume (or imagine) that MY was almost 'boxed in' or in a really difficult position.

Cassie had been wandering all over the place as is testimony to the bloody foortprints. Cassie may easily have obliviously squeezed past and therefore smeared, critical blood spatter identification as she trotted around, over and next to her mommy. This is only a possibility - but fairly valid especially if Cassie had been there all morning and wondering why her mommy didn't wake up.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I'm sure his lawyer would file a motion not to allow it in because it would be prejudicial but otherwise I don't see why not. If the prosecutor wants it in he'd have to argue it on merits. What do I know I'm not a lawyer. I guess after Scott Peterson they all know not to talk to the media but my point about that was his family which I specified in the first post but ran it together I see to make it look like I meant Jason only.

Geez, Scott Peterson didn't just take the birthday cake re the media-chats. He stormed the entire party! :doh:

As an aside, strach... Sometimes I have difficulty with the right to remain silent .... which law, in and of itself I do recognize and appreciate. However, it seems to me (in my own dimbulb brain that is) that this often overlaps to border on "the right not to co-operate". Now that's where these court-ordered search warrants, docs, probable cause etc comes in - I agree but raise my eyebrows to be forced to "willingly comply with the basics only".

HOWEVER... when one is so heavily lawyered up within hours of your spouse being murdered then this right transcends into the safety and security of many people in a given community. They too, really need evidence that there was indeed: "no random killer...". They have rights, too, surely?

Sorry, I think the above is garbled - but I'm just mad this guy has shut up and shut out. Again: why criminal defense attornies? What crime does he want to defend?

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Re: fingerprinting friends and family members. I think they do this to eliminate prints they have found in the house, so they can determine if there are any stranger's prints in the house.

I do not think it means they are trying to "match" a fingerprint at this time.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Re: fingerprinting friends and family members. I think they do this to eliminate prints they have found in the house, so they can determine if there are any stranger's prints in the house.

I do not think it means they are trying to "match" a fingerprint at this time.

Sure, AlwaysShocked .... I also don't think there's a sinister print hanging around. Also, MY had friends over the night before, so there are already multiple sets of prints involved ..

 

[fran]

Sure, AlwaysShocked .... I also don't think there's a sinister print hanging around. Also, MY had friends over the night before, so there are already multiple sets of prints involved ..

I think it's also not just 'who's' prints they may find, but 'where' they find them. If they find someone's prints somewhere in the house where they shouldn't be, well.............

JMHO
fran

 

[Taximom]

I think it's also not just 'who's' prints they may find, but 'where' they find them. If they find someone's prints somewhere in the house where they shouldn't be, well.............

JMHO
fran

This made me chuckle thinking about those people that peek into your medicine cabinets or other places when visiting.