GUILTY France - Fiona Chafoulais, 5, Clermont-Ferrand, 12 May 2013 *Arrest*

[zwiebel]

This translated article just posted says a custody battle is underway for little E, between bio-dad and grandparents. Dad says he never suspected that Cecile could have harmed their daughter. The video isn't available here, but some of you might be able to view it. There is translated text underneath, anyway.

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...=10&client=safari&sa=N&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=644

 

[zwiebel]

Both sides going for sole custody. Nicholas has also just revealed how he broke his leg during an 'altercation' with Berkane.
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...=10&client=safari&sa=N&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=644

 

[zwiebel]

Although grandmother seemed to be largely silent while Fiona's fate was unknown, she has now come forward to defend her daughter. She says Cecile was a victim of Berkane, and is not to blame.

I wish I could find that article where Cecile's 'abusive' upbringing was mentioned. I didn't bother mentioning it because it seemed to be laying the groundwork for Cecile to be presented as a victim herself. I really don't find myself with a lot of sympathy to spare for Cecile, the fully grown victim. All mine goes towards the five year old one, still lying out there alone and abandoned somewhere.

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...=10&client=safari&sa=N&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=644

ETA Sorry, translate function means I can't link the right article. Scroll to the bottom of the article I've linked and you will see the correct stories with grandmother's defence of Cecile and her 'Berkane is a monster' statement. (I tend to agree with that).

 

[SCHMAE]

Although grandmother seemed to be largely silent while Fiona's fate was unknown, she has now come forward to defend her daughter. She says Cecile was a victim of Berkane, and is not to blame.

I wish I could find that article where Cecile's 'abusive' upbringing was mentioned. I didn't bother mentioning it because it seemed to be laying the groundwork for Cecile to be presented as a victim herself. I really don't find myself with a lot of sympathy to spare for Cecile, the fully grown victim. All mine goes towards the five year old one, still lying out there alone and abandoned somewhere.

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...=10&client=safari&sa=N&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=644

ETA Sorry, translate function means I can't link the right article. Scroll to the bottom of the article I've linked and you will see the correct stories with grandmother's defence of Cecile and her 'Berkane is a monster' statement. (I tend to agree with that).

Cecile's mother is defending her daughter , Cecile? AND is the same grandparent wanting SOLE custody of the remaining 2 yr old daughter from her bio dad? Even though she did nothing to prevent her grand daughter living with drug addicts and abusive people? Please say I misunderstood .

 

[zwiebel]

'The father of the two girls had not seen them for almost a year since September 9, 2012. That day, Fiona told him that Berkane had hurt her.'

He goes on to explain how visitation was never a problem until Berkane came on the scene, and how Berkane was controlling and temperamental. If I am correct, there is now
Cecile saying Berkane beat Fiona to death
Nicholas saying Fiona told him Berkane had hurt her
Nicholas saying his leg was broken in an altercation with Berkane
Grandmother saying she found an injury on the two year old
Berkane's criminal history, which includes violence

That's only half of what police know, I'm sure. I'm hoping, Berkane's toast.

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...=fiona+chafoulais+cherche&client=safari&hl=en

Sadly, to me, it looks likely little E will be separated from her newborn half sister/brother when custody is decided. The newborn is Berkane and Cecile's child and it seems likely grandmother will be given custody of him/her. Poor little E has lost all her siblings, and her mom, at the same time.

If Cecile is found guilty and released after five years, does that mean she will be allowed to move back in with her mom and gain access to her newborn again? Who will then be five, the same age as Fiona when mom was so unable to cope, she stood by as Fiona was beaten to death?

 

[zwiebel]

Ah. Nicholas actually broke his leg because he kicked a post rather than kicking Berkane, during the altercation.

http://translate.googleusercontent....09.php&usg=ALkJrhiccILh69ffB1veawPNhMJy02eu0Q

 

[zwiebel]

Here is some of that abusive childhood stuff I was looking for.

In the course of a psychological examination, 'Cecile Bourgeon summarized her life, marked from an early age by traumatic events with her biological father, described as violent, a poor man, manic-depressive'

Her lawyer says bruises on Cecile were noted at the time.

http://translate.googleusercontent....39.php&usg=ALkJrhhHCq1GwJJwyjzOrWE85o5Dq7Vc3g

 

[SCHMAE]

Here is some of that abusive childhood stuff I was looking for.

In the course of a psychological examination, 'Cecile Bourgeon summarized her life, marked from an early age by traumatic events with her biological father, described as violent, a poor man, manic-depressive'

Her lawyer says bruises on Cecile were noted at the time.

http://translate.googleusercontent....39.php&usg=ALkJrhhHCq1GwJJwyjzOrWE85o5Dq7Vc3g

I have a manic depressive, schizophrenic mother. I never beat my kids or let them be beaten. Doesn't fly ! SORRY!

 

[FigTree]

Here is some of that abusive childhood stuff I was looking for.

In the course of a psychological examination, 'Cecile Bourgeon summarized her life, marked from an early age by traumatic events with her biological father, described as violent, a poor man, manic-depressive'

Her lawyer says bruises on Cecile were noted at the time.

http://translate.googleusercontent....39.php&usg=ALkJrhhHCq1GwJJwyjzOrWE85o5Dq7Vc3g

So Ceciles mother is defending her daughter - the daughter she didnt protect from her own 1st husband - and now Cecile has dome the same thing with her daughters except worst, one of her daughter is dead.

And now the grandmother is protecting the Granddaughter?
And both child are fathered by addicts.

The court need to seriously look at this case and place them in a home where they can develop with love and kindness.

What a mess.

And where are you little Fiona - they have not given up on you.


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[zwiebel]

I have a manic depressive, schizophrenic mother. I never beat my kids or let them be beaten. Doesn't fly ! SORRY!

Sorry to hear that Schmae, but so happy to hear you didn't perpetuate the cycle, and glad to get your opinion on Cecile as the 'victim'.

 

[zwiebel]

I know Cecile is now being presented as abused, of only middling to low intelligence and easily led, but that doesn't stop a person being cunning, in my opinion.

Berkane was not beside her when she held all those press conferences and lied again and again about what happened to her daughter, and tried to blame other people. Cecile did that all by herself. And I have not forgotten how she used the 'abusive' card to try and stop people helping with the search and running FB pages etc. She was attempting to lead us all then - in the wrong direction, to close down publicity for little Fiona.

 

[zwiebel]

I suspect, when Fiona is found, her skull will be found with fractures. And there are quite likely to be other, older injuries. That is why Berkane is not revealing where she is. He has backed himself into a corner now, with his own stupid story that Fiona was not beaten and accidentally choked on her own vomit.

If she is now found with obvious signs of beating, he will be shown to be a liar. So he can't let her be found. I wish they had both just blamed each other for killing Fiona, because then neither of them would have anything to lose by her body being found.

 

[zwiebel]

He is also saying he threw the leather suitcase away separately. So why hasn't that been found, at least? Is he saying he can't remember where he buried Fiona, or where he threw the case away?

I am wondering if Fiona was left in the suitcase, along with some heavy weights, and is actually in the lake. Not buried at all.

 

[zwiebel]

If Fiona is in the lake in a case, and it is cold water, her body will be better preserved than if she had been buried. There will be more forensic evidence.

 

[zwiebel]

These people could and would help....but they're in Idaho.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-victims-using-advanced-sonar-technology.html

 

[FigTree]

These people could and would help....but they're in Idaho.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-victims-using-advanced-sonar-technology.html

wow - what a great couple they are!!
Wonderful people.

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About Fionas location ...
I thought that B had dumped the bag in a dumpster?
I hope to heavens that he did bury Fiona, and not leave her in the bag.
Im sorry but as each day passes and Fiona isn't found, I feel he is playing the Police .. I dont trust him at all ... and I'm sure the Police are well aware of what he's trying to do.
I think Cecile is still covering for him (B) somehow - she should be demanding he tell them where he buried little Fiona.

 

[zwiebel]

I know. How can we get them and their boat to France?

 

[Quester]

wow - what a great couple they are!!
Wonderful people.

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About Fionas location ...
I thought that B had dumped the bag in a dumpster?
I hope to heavens that he did bury Fiona, and not leave her in the bag.
Im sorry but as each day passes and Fiona isn't found, I feel he is playing the Police .. I dont trust him at all ... and I'm sure the Police are well aware of what he's trying to do.
I think Cecile is still covering for him (B) somehow - she should be demanding he tell them where he buried little Fiona.

RE: the leather bag

I read two articles with differing accounts. The first said Cecile dumped the bag in a garbage ?dumpster?. The second said Cecile launched it out the window after they buried the body. So who knows what happened to the bag and if Cecile and BM are just continuing to lie left and right. Rot in hell, I say, to both of them! JMO

 

[zwiebel]

I'd be really happy never to have to mention them again, but I really want petite Fiona to come home.

As I see it, Cecile doesn't have much to lose if Fiona's found now - she gets to say she helped police, and she has already said her daughter was fatally injured. So I think it may be true she doesn't know exactly where Fiona is buried. I think Berkane does though, and is counting on her body not being found, and a jury believing his version of events.

I think that's an extremely risky tactic because he will be found guilty and get a longer sentence because of his deceit, myself.

 

[Quester]

I'd be really happy never to have to mention them again, but I really want petite Fiona to come home.

As I see it, Cecile doesn't have much to lose if Fiona's found now - she gets to say she helped police, and she has already said her daughter was fatally injured. So I think it may be true she doesn't know exactly where Fiona is buried. I think Berkane does though, and is counting on her body not being found, and a jury believing his version of events.

I think that's an extremely risky tactic because he will be found guilty and get a longer sentence because of his deceit, myself.

BBM - Unless the body is drug tested and found positive for drugs, or proof of long term physical abuse, or ???

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I am so angry at that woman!
Cecile chose to keep, and presumably continued to expose, small children in a druggie house and chose an alleged abusive partner who was not the bio dad. I don't care what sob story of an upbringing she had, Cecile is no victim. She made choices that endangered her children and one ended up dead and it was directly due to her choices. Shame on her!

Tie her tubes, throw her in jail, she should never again have custody of her children. Despicable creature! JMO