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Disparus du fort de Tamié en Savoie: l'inconnu de la vidéo n'est pas Nordahl Lelandais
Disparus du fort de Tamié en Savoie: l'inconnu de la vidéo n'est pas Nordahl Lelandais
France - Maëlys De Araujo, 9, found deceased, Pont-de-Beauvoisin, 27 Aug 2017 #2
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We thought as much when the video appeared, and it was later confirmed. All info should be in thread 1.
Sometimes these inconsistencies occur because the reporter is new to the case.
A better report with pictures here:
Deux plaques commémoratives dévoilées en hommage aux disparus du fort de Tamié
Two commemorative plaques were unveiled in honour of the men missing from Fort de Tamié.
Eight and seven years after the disappearances of Jean-Christophe Morin and Ahmed Hamadou, two commemorative plaques were unveiled in their honour on Wednesday. The tribute was held directly in front of the Fort de Tamié, near Albertville. That is where they were last seen.
Their families have had no news of Jean-Christophe Morin and Ahmed Hamadou for eight and seven years respectively.
On September 10, 2011, Jean-Christophe, 22, is attending a music festival at Fort Tamié, near Albertville. He disappears in the night. One year later, on September 9, 2012, Ahmed Hamadou, 45, is participating in this event, still at the fort. He's disappearing too. The two men have not given any sign of life since these dates and their bodies have never been found.
While the investigation was at a standstill for a long time, everything was relaunched with the Maëlys case and that of Corporal Arthur Noyer. Soaring from the shadow of Nordahl Lelandais. These disappearances are part of the forty or so cases in which the trail of the former dog handler is being considered. A special cell, "Ariane", was launched in January 2018 to investigate the matter.
As the years go by, families are still looking for answers and they are especially afraid of oblivion. That is partly why they unveiled two commemorative plaques in honour of the two men on Wednesday, September 11. You can see their photos, the logo of the fort and the date they disappeared. These plaques were fixed on a tree, in front of the fort, where Jean-Christophe's bag was found. "This is the last sign of life we have of him, so that's why we put the plaques there," explains Adeline Morin, the sister of the missing young man. The aim is also to create public awareness and send a message to the courts, accused by the family of not taking this case seriously. "We need answers," Adeline Morin says.
A dozen people were present for the occasion, mostly the families of the two victims. Jean-Christophe's father, sister, nephew, cousin and former girlfriend are there, as well as Ahmed's two sisters. The parents of Anne-Cécile Pinel, a French student who died in 2014 and whose bones were found in Croatia in January 2018, are also present. They wanted to be there to support the relatives of the two men in their pain but also because, like the families of Jean-Christophe and Ahmed, they feel abandoned by the law, since they still do not know what has happened to their daughter.
The emotion is strong as Daniel Morin removes the sheet that covers both plaques." This is our cemetery," he says in a short speech. Ahmed's two sisters are in tears. "It's very hard, the tears are close," says Adeline Morin, Jean-Christophe's sister. "We don't have a grave, so this will be our place to meditate."
Very moved, Aïcha, Ahmed's sister acknowledges that being here is ultimately a therapy. "I don't even want to leave, I feel like I feel his presence, I feel like I'm with him. I think back to the moments we both had when he made me laugh."
The two families promise they will come back every year on this date to reflect.
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DRÔME. Disparition : une marche blanche pour Eric Foray
Disappearance: a white march for Eric Foray
It has been three years since Eric Foray disappeared in Chatuzange-le-Goubet, near Romans. The case was reportedly referred to the Ariane cell, responsible for investigating disappearances potentially linked to Nordahl Lelandais.
Eric Foray disappeared on 16 September 2016 in Chatuzange-le-Goubet, near Romans-sur-Isère. At 47 years of age, he had just left his home in an SUV to go shopping. Since then, his companion Régis Pique has had no news and has been moving heaven and earth to move the investigations forward, and to ensure that the matter is not forgotten. This is why a white march is organized on Saturday, October 5 at 3 p.m., from his home (225B impasse des mures in Chatuzange-le-Goubet). A 2km route is planned, people wishing to join the procession are invited to wear a white top.
The investigation was reactivated by the prosecutor's office of Valence in early 2018 and a call for witnesses was launched in June of the same year. At the time, the trail leading to Nodahl Lelandais was mentioned. Eric Foray's file is one of 900 examined by the Ariane cell, in charge of investigating the alleged murderer of little Maëlys and Corporal Noyer.
"One of many leads," according lawyer Bernard Boulloud. Then last March, the lawyer denounced in our columns "the lack of information given to the families of people who have disappeared in a worrying way". In fact, the Ariane cell reportedly identified 40 disappearances potentially linked to Lelandais. The names were not disclosed to the relatives, to the great dismay of their lawyer: "We can only imagine that Nordahl Lelandais is not behind each of these forty disappearances. But if the Lelandais gate is closed, we can focus on other tracks. However, it has to be said."
35 of these 40 cases are reported to be cases of worrying disappearances and 5 of suspicious deaths. Finally, a dozen cases would be defined as priorities, including those of Eric Foray and Nelly Balmain, who disappeared in Saint-Jean-en-Royans in August 2011 at the age of 29.
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Disappearance: a white march for Eric Foray
It has been three years since Eric Foray disappeared in Chatuzange-le-Goubet, near Romans. The case was reportedly referred to the Ariane cell, responsible for investigating disappearances potentially linked to Nordahl Lelandais.
Eric Foray disappeared on 16 September 2016 in Chatuzange-le-Goubet, near Romans-sur-Isère. At 47 years of age, he had just left his home in an SUV to go shopping. Since then, his companion Régis Pique has had no news and has been moving heaven and earth to move the investigations forward, and to ensure that the matter is not forgotten. This is why a white march is organized on Saturday, October 5 at 3 p.m., from his home (225B impasse des mures in Chatuzange-le-Goubet). A 2km route is planned, people wishing to join the procession are invited to wear a white top.
The investigation was reactivated by the prosecutor's office of Valence in early 2018 and a call for witnesses was launched in June of the same year. At the time, the trail leading to Nodahl Lelandais was mentioned. Eric Foray's file is one of 900 examined by the Ariane cell, in charge of investigating the alleged murderer of little Maëlys and Corporal Noyer.
"One of many leads," according lawyer Bernard Boulloud. Then last March, the lawyer denounced in our columns "the lack of information given to the families of people who have disappeared in a worrying way". In fact, the Ariane cell reportedly identified 40 disappearances potentially linked to Lelandais. The names were not disclosed to the relatives, to the great dismay of their lawyer: "We can only imagine that Nordahl Lelandais is not behind each of these forty disappearances. But if the Lelandais gate is closed, we can focus on other tracks. However, it has to be said."
35 of these 40 cases are reported to be cases of worrying disappearances and 5 of suspicious deaths. Finally, a dozen cases would be defined as priorities, including those of Eric Foray and Nelly Balmain, who disappeared in Saint-Jean-en-Royans in August 2011 at the age of 29.
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L'enquête sur la mort d'Arthur Noyer est terminée
The investigation into the death of Arthur Noyer has been closed
INFO BFMTV - The investigating judges have closed their investigation into the death of Arthur Noyer. The prosecutor now has one month to make his requisitions.
According to sources in agreement with BFMTV, the investigating judges closed their investigation into the death of Arthur Noyer and forwarded the case to the Prosecutor's Office in Chambéry. From now on, the prosecutor has a period of one month to make his requisitions, the most likely being that the latter would request referral to the Assises Court.
During this period, each party may also make requests or submit motions.
Nordahl Lelandais, the main suspect in this case, has already been heard several times by the investigators. In February 2018, at his first hearing, he admitted that he had crossed paths with the young corporal the night he disappeared. Then, in March, he admitted that the latter had died in a fight.
Nordahl Lelandais, who had already been indicted for the murder of the Maëlys girl, was indicted in December 2017 for "assassination" in the Arthur Noyer case.
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The investigation into the death of Arthur Noyer has been closed
INFO BFMTV - The investigating judges have closed their investigation into the death of Arthur Noyer. The prosecutor now has one month to make his requisitions.
According to sources in agreement with BFMTV, the investigating judges closed their investigation into the death of Arthur Noyer and forwarded the case to the Prosecutor's Office in Chambéry. From now on, the prosecutor has a period of one month to make his requisitions, the most likely being that the latter would request referral to the Assises Court.
During this period, each party may also make requests or submit motions.
Nordahl Lelandais, the main suspect in this case, has already been heard several times by the investigators. In February 2018, at his first hearing, he admitted that he had crossed paths with the young corporal the night he disappeared. Then, in March, he admitted that the latter had died in a fight.
Nordahl Lelandais, who had already been indicted for the murder of the Maëlys girl, was indicted in December 2017 for "assassination" in the Arthur Noyer case.
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Une ex-compagne de Nordahl Lelandais décrit une nuit d'horreur: "Il avait une tronçonneuse attachée dans le dos"
A former girlfriend of Nordahl Lelandais describes a night of horror: "He had a chainsaw tied behind his back"
A manipulative, violent, perverse, narcissistic man... Since his arrest in the murder of little Maëlys, Nordahl Lelandais' past has resurfaced. His personality is decoded and his movements are analyzed. Dozens of other cases are being reviewed by the gendarmes of the "Ariane cell". Because the former dog handler could be involved in many unsolved legal cases.
Faced with these new revelations, new victims dare to speak out. In the columns of the Dauphiné Libéré, a former companion of Nordahl Lelandais testifies. She describes a particularly violent man. The young woman, whom we will call Sophie, began dating the former soldier in 2015. A year and 7 months later, the couple split up.
According to Sophie, Nordahl would have gone through this break-up very badly. "He didn't accept it, it was difficult and violent," she explains. The following months were a real hell for the young woman. In the columns of the daily newspaper, she talks about harassment and death threats.
On April 10, 2017, she feared for her life. "I was walking in the forest with my dogs when I saw his car parked near the road. And then I saw him. He was with his dogs and had a chainsaw attached to his back. I leaned against a tree and made a sign of the cross. He passed in front of me, with a cold look on his face and I started running to save myself," she told the Dauphiné Libéré.
The next night, Arthur Noyer, a 23-year-old corporal, suddenly disappeared. Nordahl Lelandais had first denied any involvement, then admitted in March 2018, before the investigating judges of Chambéry, a fight between him and Arthur Noyer, which had led to his death.
Sophie also accuses Nordahl Lelandais of having broadcast, without her consent, intimate videos of their sexual activity on a pornographic site.
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This is very strange. The Dauphiné Libéré recently published what looks like a different interview. It is subscription only, so I could only read the headlines:
For the first time, Karine* (the first name has been changed to preserve anonymity), a former partner of Nordahl Lelandais, recounts the agonizing pressure she endured between March and August 2017....
In August 2017, Nordahl Lelandais was arrested. IMHO Karine and Sophie are the same person, so what is the point of changing a name that is an alias anyway?
A former girlfriend of Nordahl Lelandais describes a night of horror: "He had a chainsaw tied behind his back"
A manipulative, violent, perverse, narcissistic man... Since his arrest in the murder of little Maëlys, Nordahl Lelandais' past has resurfaced. His personality is decoded and his movements are analyzed. Dozens of other cases are being reviewed by the gendarmes of the "Ariane cell". Because the former dog handler could be involved in many unsolved legal cases.
Faced with these new revelations, new victims dare to speak out. In the columns of the Dauphiné Libéré, a former companion of Nordahl Lelandais testifies. She describes a particularly violent man. The young woman, whom we will call Sophie, began dating the former soldier in 2015. A year and 7 months later, the couple split up.
According to Sophie, Nordahl would have gone through this break-up very badly. "He didn't accept it, it was difficult and violent," she explains. The following months were a real hell for the young woman. In the columns of the daily newspaper, she talks about harassment and death threats.
On April 10, 2017, she feared for her life. "I was walking in the forest with my dogs when I saw his car parked near the road. And then I saw him. He was with his dogs and had a chainsaw attached to his back. I leaned against a tree and made a sign of the cross. He passed in front of me, with a cold look on his face and I started running to save myself," she told the Dauphiné Libéré.
The next night, Arthur Noyer, a 23-year-old corporal, suddenly disappeared. Nordahl Lelandais had first denied any involvement, then admitted in March 2018, before the investigating judges of Chambéry, a fight between him and Arthur Noyer, which had led to his death.
Sophie also accuses Nordahl Lelandais of having broadcast, without her consent, intimate videos of their sexual activity on a pornographic site.
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This is very strange. The Dauphiné Libéré recently published what looks like a different interview. It is subscription only, so I could only read the headlines:
For the first time, Karine* (the first name has been changed to preserve anonymity), a former partner of Nordahl Lelandais, recounts the agonizing pressure she endured between March and August 2017....
In August 2017, Nordahl Lelandais was arrested. IMHO Karine and Sophie are the same person, so what is the point of changing a name that is an alias anyway?
But it was only one interview, the others quote the Dauphiné. The alias 'Karine' has been used before, this time by Le Parisien, longer story can be found in Thread 1:
Found Deceased - France - Maëlys De Araujo, 9, Pont-de-Beauvoisin, 27 Aug 2017
In that earlier account, "Karine" said he had a "taille-haie" (hedge trimmer?) in his hand. Now, "Sophie" says it was a chainsaw ("tronçonneuse") on his back.
Maybe it was both, Karine and Sophie, and various power tools, in the forest. Who knows. By the way, is Pierre-Alexandre Seenyen still missing?
AFFAIRE LELANDAIS : 40 AFFAIRES NON-RESOLUES POTENTIELLEMENT LIEES – Lyon 1ère
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That would make him a bigamist on top of everything because Karine and Sophie appear to mention the same timeline of events.
Well, why not? We have probably not seen the last of the crimes and pecadillos of NL.
No news about Pierre-Alexandre Seenyen that I can find. "Still missing" would be a breakthrough of sorts because the reports about the Ariane cell were the first mention of his existence & disappearance and no one has found out more in the meantime.
The same applies to Edwige Ukundirwase.
Short video of the Marche Blanche for the disappearance of Éric Foray:
Maëlys' parents were also there.
Régis Pique on FB 'Disparition d'Éric Foray':
How can I tell you how I feel tonight? A moment filled with so many emotions. Thank you all for coming here today to support me and shout out our anger and despair. My dad even came. The very warm presence of parents, Maelys' grandmother and aunt, Mohamed's sister Rachida, Nelly's parents, Maître Boulloud and his family, Mr Valezy from the arpd friends and inhabitants of our little village. All the press, radio and TV.
Everyone wrote their own little note of hope behind ERIC's portrait and attached it to the balloons. A time full of comfort and support.
A thought for Dalila and Marie France who could not be there for health reasons.
Once again a very big thank you to all of you.
François Régis Pique
Maëlys' parents were also there.
Régis Pique on FB 'Disparition d'Éric Foray':
How can I tell you how I feel tonight? A moment filled with so many emotions. Thank you all for coming here today to support me and shout out our anger and despair. My dad even came. The very warm presence of parents, Maelys' grandmother and aunt, Mohamed's sister Rachida, Nelly's parents, Maître Boulloud and his family, Mr Valezy from the arpd friends and inhabitants of our little village. All the press, radio and TV.
Everyone wrote their own little note of hope behind ERIC's portrait and attached it to the balloons. A time full of comfort and support.
A thought for Dalila and Marie France who could not be there for health reasons.
Once again a very big thank you to all of you.
François Régis Pique
More on Éric Foray et al.:
Drôme : les parents de Maëlys solidaires avec le compagnon d’Eric Foray, disparu il y a trois ans
Drôme : les parents de Maëlys solidaires avec le compagnon d’Eric Foray, disparu il y a trois ans
Affaire Lelandais : le père de Maëlys veut que le «meurtre» soit requalifié en «assassinat»
Lelandais case: Maëlys' father wants the "murder" to be reclassified as "assassination"
For Joachim de Araujo, the suspect premeditated his action. He asks that Lelandais be referred to the Isère assize court for "assassination" and not for "murder".
As the Grenoble judges are about to close their investigation, Joachim de Araujo, the father of the 9-year-old Maëlys, murdered by Nordahl Lelandais on 27 August 2017 in Pont-de-Beauvoisin (Isère), is asking the courts this Monday for a requalification of the facts. This father, whose words are rare, wants premeditation to be kept and for Lelandais to be sent back to the Isère assize court for "assassination" and not for "murder", the charge for which he is now being prosecuted.
"Yes, I await this requalification. I trust the justice system. I'm only a simple citizen," Maëlys' father says. A reclassification for "assassination" would expose Nordahl Lelandais to the heaviest sentence provided for in the Criminal Code: life imprisonment with an unlimited period of security.
Joachim de Araujo does not believe that Maëlys voluntarily got into Nordahl Lelandais' car in the middle of the night to visit his dogs. "For me, he forced her into his car," the girl's father says. According to Joachim de Araujo, Nordahl Lelandais planned the kidnapping of Maëlys. And by getting her into his vehicle, he knew he would never bring her back alive. "He was aware that this was going to end badly. When he says that Maëlys' death was just an accident, I don't believe him. You don't take a child by accident at 2 or 3 a.m.," he insists.
To explain the girl's death, Nordahl Lelandais first mentioned to the judges "a simple slap to silence her, because she was panicking in the car". He then admitted during the reconstruction that he had beaten the child violently because he knew that the experts had found several fractures on her skull.
Maëlys' parents are also convinced that Nordahl Lelandais kidnapped their daughter with the aim of sexually assaulting her, raping her. "I am trying to survive and continue the fight against this paedophile murderer whom I hate so much," Jennifer, Maëlys' mother, wrote on her Facebook page on August 27 to mark the second anniversary of her daughter's death.
For Joachim de Araujo, Nordahl Lelandais should therefore also be prosecuted for "sexual assault" and "rape". "For me, it would be this qualification, yes," says Maëlys' father. However, these facts could not be formally established by the courts because the child's body was too damaged after several months abandoned in the wild. Lelandais has always denied that he sexually assaulted the girl. But investigators and magistrates have serious doubts, especially after discovering the sexual assaults committed by the suspect on two young cousins aged 4 and 6.
A former prisoner of Nordahl Lelandais also told the judges that he had been told by Nordahl Lelandais that he had "raped Maëlys". This is fiercely denied by Lelandais. "What I want is for him to finally tell us the truth. Because right now, I don't believe his confession. I will fight to the end for Maëlys," a determined Joachim de Araujo explains. Before concluding: "I am waiting for the trial so that Lelandais can be sentenced to his just sentence. And it will depend on this sentence if I will be at peace, or not..."
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The picture of Maëlys' parents was taken at the White March for Éric Foray.
Lelandais case: Maëlys' father wants the "murder" to be reclassified as "assassination"
For Joachim de Araujo, the suspect premeditated his action. He asks that Lelandais be referred to the Isère assize court for "assassination" and not for "murder".
As the Grenoble judges are about to close their investigation, Joachim de Araujo, the father of the 9-year-old Maëlys, murdered by Nordahl Lelandais on 27 August 2017 in Pont-de-Beauvoisin (Isère), is asking the courts this Monday for a requalification of the facts. This father, whose words are rare, wants premeditation to be kept and for Lelandais to be sent back to the Isère assize court for "assassination" and not for "murder", the charge for which he is now being prosecuted.
"Yes, I await this requalification. I trust the justice system. I'm only a simple citizen," Maëlys' father says. A reclassification for "assassination" would expose Nordahl Lelandais to the heaviest sentence provided for in the Criminal Code: life imprisonment with an unlimited period of security.
Joachim de Araujo does not believe that Maëlys voluntarily got into Nordahl Lelandais' car in the middle of the night to visit his dogs. "For me, he forced her into his car," the girl's father says. According to Joachim de Araujo, Nordahl Lelandais planned the kidnapping of Maëlys. And by getting her into his vehicle, he knew he would never bring her back alive. "He was aware that this was going to end badly. When he says that Maëlys' death was just an accident, I don't believe him. You don't take a child by accident at 2 or 3 a.m.," he insists.
To explain the girl's death, Nordahl Lelandais first mentioned to the judges "a simple slap to silence her, because she was panicking in the car". He then admitted during the reconstruction that he had beaten the child violently because he knew that the experts had found several fractures on her skull.
Maëlys' parents are also convinced that Nordahl Lelandais kidnapped their daughter with the aim of sexually assaulting her, raping her. "I am trying to survive and continue the fight against this paedophile murderer whom I hate so much," Jennifer, Maëlys' mother, wrote on her Facebook page on August 27 to mark the second anniversary of her daughter's death.
For Joachim de Araujo, Nordahl Lelandais should therefore also be prosecuted for "sexual assault" and "rape". "For me, it would be this qualification, yes," says Maëlys' father. However, these facts could not be formally established by the courts because the child's body was too damaged after several months abandoned in the wild. Lelandais has always denied that he sexually assaulted the girl. But investigators and magistrates have serious doubts, especially after discovering the sexual assaults committed by the suspect on two young cousins aged 4 and 6.
A former prisoner of Nordahl Lelandais also told the judges that he had been told by Nordahl Lelandais that he had "raped Maëlys". This is fiercely denied by Lelandais. "What I want is for him to finally tell us the truth. Because right now, I don't believe his confession. I will fight to the end for Maëlys," a determined Joachim de Araujo explains. Before concluding: "I am waiting for the trial so that Lelandais can be sentenced to his just sentence. And it will depend on this sentence if I will be at peace, or not..."
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The picture of Maëlys' parents was taken at the White March for Éric Foray.
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So - I'm going to put his case on 11/1/19 as the deadline for the prosecutors to do something about the Noyer case. 
"La mort de Maëlys aurait pu être évitée", une ex-compagne de Nordahl Lelandais va porter plainte contre les gendarmes
"Maëlys' death could have been avoided"
Aformer companion of Nordahl Lelandais will file a complaint against the gendarmes
An ex-girlfriend of Lelandais is going to file a complaint against the gendarmerie. She believes that if the gendarmes had listened to her calls for help, Maëlys would not have died. She says she feels guilty for not being able to protect the girl. Her lawyer speaks for his client.
Karine (her first name has been changed) was Nordahl Lelandais' partner between 2015 and 2016. She finally left him, after discovering his "demonic" side, as she told the daily Le Parisien Aujourd'hui en France.
She then experienced several months of harassment and threats. One day, while she was driving, Lelandais ran into her with his car, before, at the last moment, kicking the wheel to avoid her.
Terrorized, on July 18, 2017, she filed a complaint for endangering the lives of others at the gendarmerie of Pont de Beauvoisin (Savoie). She explains, still in Le Parisien Aujourd'hui en France, that she had to cry and beg for her complaint to be taken.
Her lawyer, Maître Gallo, will therefore, at the request of his client, soon file a complaint against the gendarme of Pont de Beauvoisin who "decided to bury her complaint, rather than to investigate it." The complaint was only forwarded to the Prosecutor's Office in Chambéry after Lelandais' arrest.
"My client believes that if she had been taken seriously, Maëlys would not have died" - Maître Ronald Gallo
"It is the story of these many women who come to the police, the gendarmerie, to report the domestic violence they suffer and they are not taken seriously," the lawyer explains. "Except that in the case of my client, who had the strength to leave Lelandais, in the end, it was not her, but Maëlys who suffered her violence because of this inertia. There is a chronological relationship, July 2017-August 2017.... A month after my client filed a complaint, Lelandais went after Maëlys! Perhaps the gendarme who reluctantly took Karine's complaint should be called to order."
Mr. Gallo concludes: "Karine has suffered a major trauma, she wants to be recognized as a victim. She feels guilty about Maëlys' death, even though she had nothing to do with it. She wants to denounce the culpable slowness of the gendarmerie, the prosecutor's office, who did not take her seriously, even though she had anticipated Lelandais' dangerousness."
Karine had also filed a complaint when she discovered that Lelandais had posted their sexual activity on the Internet. This complaint was dismissed without further action.
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"Maëlys' death could have been avoided"
Aformer companion of Nordahl Lelandais will file a complaint against the gendarmes
An ex-girlfriend of Lelandais is going to file a complaint against the gendarmerie. She believes that if the gendarmes had listened to her calls for help, Maëlys would not have died. She says she feels guilty for not being able to protect the girl. Her lawyer speaks for his client.
Karine (her first name has been changed) was Nordahl Lelandais' partner between 2015 and 2016. She finally left him, after discovering his "demonic" side, as she told the daily Le Parisien Aujourd'hui en France.
She then experienced several months of harassment and threats. One day, while she was driving, Lelandais ran into her with his car, before, at the last moment, kicking the wheel to avoid her.
Terrorized, on July 18, 2017, she filed a complaint for endangering the lives of others at the gendarmerie of Pont de Beauvoisin (Savoie). She explains, still in Le Parisien Aujourd'hui en France, that she had to cry and beg for her complaint to be taken.
Her lawyer, Maître Gallo, will therefore, at the request of his client, soon file a complaint against the gendarme of Pont de Beauvoisin who "decided to bury her complaint, rather than to investigate it." The complaint was only forwarded to the Prosecutor's Office in Chambéry after Lelandais' arrest.
"My client believes that if she had been taken seriously, Maëlys would not have died" - Maître Ronald Gallo
"It is the story of these many women who come to the police, the gendarmerie, to report the domestic violence they suffer and they are not taken seriously," the lawyer explains. "Except that in the case of my client, who had the strength to leave Lelandais, in the end, it was not her, but Maëlys who suffered her violence because of this inertia. There is a chronological relationship, July 2017-August 2017.... A month after my client filed a complaint, Lelandais went after Maëlys! Perhaps the gendarme who reluctantly took Karine's complaint should be called to order."
Mr. Gallo concludes: "Karine has suffered a major trauma, she wants to be recognized as a victim. She feels guilty about Maëlys' death, even though she had nothing to do with it. She wants to denounce the culpable slowness of the gendarmerie, the prosecutor's office, who did not take her seriously, even though she had anticipated Lelandais' dangerousness."
Karine had also filed a complaint when she discovered that Lelandais had posted their sexual activity on the Internet. This complaint was dismissed without further action.
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«Je me sens coupable vis-à-vis de Maëlys» : l’ex-compagne de Lelandais se confie
"I feel guilty towards Maëlys": Lelandais' ex-girlfriend confesses.
Nordahl Lelandais' former girlfriend agreed to talk about her relationship with the alleged murderer of Maëlys and Corporal Noyer. She paints a portrait of a manipulative and ice-cold man.
For the past two years, her voice has been rare. To respect the grief and sorrow of the relatives of Maëlys and Arthur Noyer, the two victims of Nordahl Lelandais. But today, Karine (the first name has been changed) wants to be heard. This 39-year-old woman was Lelandais' partner for two years, until 2016. "Nono", as she called it at the time. First very much in love, she then discovered a very dark character. When she decided to leave him, he put her through hell. She says she even thought about killing him....
Today, she wants to tell everything and says that Maëlys' death could have been prevented if the gendarmerie had listened to her pleas for help. This wounded woman also wants to file a complaint against the gendarmes who, according to her, did not take her seriously.
Karine now wants to get out of the nightmare that Nordahl Lelandais has plunged her into. A nightmare that almost drove her to suicide.
How did your relationship with Nordahl Lelandais begin?
KARINE. I had known him by sight since 2003, but we really got in touch in May 2015 through a dating site. When our story began, Nordahl was eager to pretend to be a man of exemplary righteousness. He told me that he was the son of a doctor, that he had been vice-champion of the amateur Thai boxing world. But all this was not true. He came into my life with lies. He's a mythomaniac. He never tells the truth. He's very sick in his mind.
Were you very much in love?
We were in a committed relationship. He even wanted to have a child. He was very jealous and didn't want me to wear low-cut necklines. With his friends, Nordahl was nice, smiling. But in private, he always pouted, never laughed. If our relationship has lasted, it's because it has been shaped by my personality. As I have a strong character, I had to reassure him about his anxieties.
In December 2015, there is a first break?
I was tired of not seeing him work. So I decided to end our relationship. Finally, in January 2016, we spoke again. And he agreed to work as a temporary employee. He was an impulsive person. I saw him chasing a driver who would have cut him off. I was afraid of my life in the car. Nordahl pulled out a "security" armband and a blue light. Like he's a police officer.
And one year later, in December 2016, you definitively separate?
He had become unbearable, too impulsive. He had anxieties, mood swings, a discrepancy with reality. He also took a lot of cocaine. I told him on the phone that it was over. Within five minutes, he came to my house, totally anxious. He had trouble breathing. He had a seizure and fell head first into the bathtub. When he regained consciousness, he begged me to reconsider my decision, promised me that he would change.
And yet it is there that he will then become violent....
When I went to his house to get my stuff back, he slapped me in the face. I managed to escape and ran towards the gendarmerie of Pont-de-Beauvoisin (Isère). He chased me. I didn't want to file a complaint so as not to make things worse. I then discovered that he was in a relationship with another woman. So it was over for me. But not for him. He said to me, "It's not going to happen like that. I'm not going to let it happen. So I went to the gendarmes to tell them that he was threatening me.
Did he harass you?
He would come to my house at night, spy on me when I was jogging, follow me everywhere by car. I was terrified. On April 10, 2017, while I was walking my dogs in a wood, he arrived very threatening. I thought I was going to get slaughtered. I made a sign of the cross. That's when I saw that he had a chainsaw in his backpack. I ran away. One day, he blocked my car. He was screaming in the middle of the road, making fingers of honour at motorists who were honking their horns. When he came back to me, he had a different face. He had become a cold man. It froze my blood. He said to me, "You'll see what will happen to you." I realized at that moment that I was going to die.
Lelandais came at me with his car. I went to the gendarmerie for the fourth time. The gendarmes initially refused to take my complaint. I had to insist, cry, that they do it. They didn't ask me any details, they didn't ask any questions. They believed Lelandais, who, before I arrived, had come to tell them that I was the one who ran into him. The gendarmes even asked me to stop provoking him. While I was the one who was going through hell. And that another of Lelandais' partners had also come to tell the gendarmes that he had threatened her. I left the gendarmerie desperate.
Desperate and ready for the worst?
Yes, because it was him or me. Lelandais always told me that to neutralize someone, the ideal was a taser. So I thought I'd set a trap for him to taser him. And then get rid of it permanently. But I couldn't do it because we went on vacation with my new partner. It was during my holidays that Maëlys was kidnapped. And that Lelandais was arrested.
You believe that Maëlys' kidnapping could have been avoided...
If I had been taken seriously, it would have stopped Lelandais. Instead, he has remained in his omnipotence. There was no investigation after my complaint. And on August 27, 2017, he kidnapped Maëlys. My complaint was only forwarded to the Prosecutor of Chambéry in September. If the gendarmerie had listened to me, Maëlys' death could have been avoided, that's for sure. I will therefore file a complaint against the gendarme who did not handle my complaint. But also against the gendarmes who then questioned me in the context of the Lelandais cases and who wanted to make me look like the villain in this story. While I'm a victim.
Does Maëlys' death haunt you?
I would have preferred to die in her place (Karine is crying). Knowing that a child has passed away when you could have avoided it is very difficult. Maëlys, she is in my heart. I haven't been able to offer my condolences to his family yet. I also have a great sense of guilt. The feeling of not having done everything for her. For not having gone all the way by preventing Lelandais from doing harm and by persuading the gendarmes of his dangerousness. There are still pictures of Maëlys in Pont-de-Beauvoisin everywhere. And when I look at her, I would like to say to her: "I'm sorry. I wish I could have done more for you than that."
What was your reaction when you learned that Nordahl was involved in Maëlys' death?
I wanted to throw up. He disgusted me. He' s the devil. It caused me an emotional shock that lasted 4 months. I didn't eat anymore, I didn't go out anymore. I even thought about suicide. I feel dirty. To say to yourself that you had some kind of demon in your life, that you touched him, it destroyed me.
During your relationship, you never had the slightest doubt about him?
No. I've been fooled. His crimes, pedophilia, homosexuality, I discovered everything in the press. He's manipulative, psychopathic. There's only bad in him.
When he says he didn't rape Maëlys, do you believe him?
I am convinced that this is not the case. He wanted to fulfill a fantasy. And he must have filmed the attack. Because he was filming all his sexual relations with his phone. With women, with children. He put several videos of me on the pornographic site You
. He also filmed the attacks of his little cousins. Before his arrest, his last girlfriend said he threw one of his phones into the river. Maybe because there was the video of Maëlys.
You also say that Lelandais was very interested in investigative techniques?
He watched all the programs on gendarmes, police, criminal investigations on TV. By letting his victims' bodies rot in the wild, he knew that no traces would be found. He wanted to become a policeman. He told me that he had taken the entrance exam but had failed it.
Do you think that Lelandais is at the origin of other disappearances, other murders?
For me, there are others. In particular, the case of the young Thomas Rauschkolb, 18 years old, found dead next to a nightclub in Grésy-sur-Aix (Savoie) near Chambéry, should be examined on 27 December 2015. At that time, I had just left Lelandais for the first time and he was in the same state of anger and frustration as when he killed Corporal Arthur Noyer on the night of April 11-12, 2017. The day before, on April 10, 2017, he had frightened me with his chainsaw.
What are you waiting for now?
That I be recognized as a victim. I have written to the Minister of Justice to ensure that my case is finally taken into account. They tried to make me look like the bad girl compared to the Lelandais. And that is unacceptable.
BBM
So there was a Sophie after all, another girlfriend around the same time.
I'm surprised about the possible link to Thomas Rauschkolb. IMHO his seemed a case of a delirium of sorts, in relation to drugs, drinks or medication. Never even considered that this might coincide with a significant date in the relationship of Lelandais and Karine. What a horrible notion for Karine to live with!!
"I feel guilty towards Maëlys": Lelandais' ex-girlfriend confesses.
Nordahl Lelandais' former girlfriend agreed to talk about her relationship with the alleged murderer of Maëlys and Corporal Noyer. She paints a portrait of a manipulative and ice-cold man.
For the past two years, her voice has been rare. To respect the grief and sorrow of the relatives of Maëlys and Arthur Noyer, the two victims of Nordahl Lelandais. But today, Karine (the first name has been changed) wants to be heard. This 39-year-old woman was Lelandais' partner for two years, until 2016. "Nono", as she called it at the time. First very much in love, she then discovered a very dark character. When she decided to leave him, he put her through hell. She says she even thought about killing him....
Today, she wants to tell everything and says that Maëlys' death could have been prevented if the gendarmerie had listened to her pleas for help. This wounded woman also wants to file a complaint against the gendarmes who, according to her, did not take her seriously.
Karine now wants to get out of the nightmare that Nordahl Lelandais has plunged her into. A nightmare that almost drove her to suicide.
How did your relationship with Nordahl Lelandais begin?
KARINE. I had known him by sight since 2003, but we really got in touch in May 2015 through a dating site. When our story began, Nordahl was eager to pretend to be a man of exemplary righteousness. He told me that he was the son of a doctor, that he had been vice-champion of the amateur Thai boxing world. But all this was not true. He came into my life with lies. He's a mythomaniac. He never tells the truth. He's very sick in his mind.
Were you very much in love?
We were in a committed relationship. He even wanted to have a child. He was very jealous and didn't want me to wear low-cut necklines. With his friends, Nordahl was nice, smiling. But in private, he always pouted, never laughed. If our relationship has lasted, it's because it has been shaped by my personality. As I have a strong character, I had to reassure him about his anxieties.
In December 2015, there is a first break?
I was tired of not seeing him work. So I decided to end our relationship. Finally, in January 2016, we spoke again. And he agreed to work as a temporary employee. He was an impulsive person. I saw him chasing a driver who would have cut him off. I was afraid of my life in the car. Nordahl pulled out a "security" armband and a blue light. Like he's a police officer.
And one year later, in December 2016, you definitively separate?
He had become unbearable, too impulsive. He had anxieties, mood swings, a discrepancy with reality. He also took a lot of cocaine. I told him on the phone that it was over. Within five minutes, he came to my house, totally anxious. He had trouble breathing. He had a seizure and fell head first into the bathtub. When he regained consciousness, he begged me to reconsider my decision, promised me that he would change.
And yet it is there that he will then become violent....
When I went to his house to get my stuff back, he slapped me in the face. I managed to escape and ran towards the gendarmerie of Pont-de-Beauvoisin (Isère). He chased me. I didn't want to file a complaint so as not to make things worse. I then discovered that he was in a relationship with another woman. So it was over for me. But not for him. He said to me, "It's not going to happen like that. I'm not going to let it happen. So I went to the gendarmes to tell them that he was threatening me.
Did he harass you?
He would come to my house at night, spy on me when I was jogging, follow me everywhere by car. I was terrified. On April 10, 2017, while I was walking my dogs in a wood, he arrived very threatening. I thought I was going to get slaughtered. I made a sign of the cross. That's when I saw that he had a chainsaw in his backpack. I ran away. One day, he blocked my car. He was screaming in the middle of the road, making fingers of honour at motorists who were honking their horns. When he came back to me, he had a different face. He had become a cold man. It froze my blood. He said to me, "You'll see what will happen to you." I realized at that moment that I was going to die.
Lelandais came at me with his car. I went to the gendarmerie for the fourth time. The gendarmes initially refused to take my complaint. I had to insist, cry, that they do it. They didn't ask me any details, they didn't ask any questions. They believed Lelandais, who, before I arrived, had come to tell them that I was the one who ran into him. The gendarmes even asked me to stop provoking him. While I was the one who was going through hell. And that another of Lelandais' partners had also come to tell the gendarmes that he had threatened her. I left the gendarmerie desperate.
Desperate and ready for the worst?
Yes, because it was him or me. Lelandais always told me that to neutralize someone, the ideal was a taser. So I thought I'd set a trap for him to taser him. And then get rid of it permanently. But I couldn't do it because we went on vacation with my new partner. It was during my holidays that Maëlys was kidnapped. And that Lelandais was arrested.
You believe that Maëlys' kidnapping could have been avoided...
If I had been taken seriously, it would have stopped Lelandais. Instead, he has remained in his omnipotence. There was no investigation after my complaint. And on August 27, 2017, he kidnapped Maëlys. My complaint was only forwarded to the Prosecutor of Chambéry in September. If the gendarmerie had listened to me, Maëlys' death could have been avoided, that's for sure. I will therefore file a complaint against the gendarme who did not handle my complaint. But also against the gendarmes who then questioned me in the context of the Lelandais cases and who wanted to make me look like the villain in this story. While I'm a victim.
Does Maëlys' death haunt you?
I would have preferred to die in her place (Karine is crying). Knowing that a child has passed away when you could have avoided it is very difficult. Maëlys, she is in my heart. I haven't been able to offer my condolences to his family yet. I also have a great sense of guilt. The feeling of not having done everything for her. For not having gone all the way by preventing Lelandais from doing harm and by persuading the gendarmes of his dangerousness. There are still pictures of Maëlys in Pont-de-Beauvoisin everywhere. And when I look at her, I would like to say to her: "I'm sorry. I wish I could have done more for you than that."
What was your reaction when you learned that Nordahl was involved in Maëlys' death?
I wanted to throw up. He disgusted me. He' s the devil. It caused me an emotional shock that lasted 4 months. I didn't eat anymore, I didn't go out anymore. I even thought about suicide. I feel dirty. To say to yourself that you had some kind of demon in your life, that you touched him, it destroyed me.
During your relationship, you never had the slightest doubt about him?
No. I've been fooled. His crimes, pedophilia, homosexuality, I discovered everything in the press. He's manipulative, psychopathic. There's only bad in him.
When he says he didn't rape Maëlys, do you believe him?
I am convinced that this is not the case. He wanted to fulfill a fantasy. And he must have filmed the attack. Because he was filming all his sexual relations with his phone. With women, with children. He put several videos of me on the pornographic site You
. He also filmed the attacks of his little cousins. Before his arrest, his last girlfriend said he threw one of his phones into the river. Maybe because there was the video of Maëlys.You also say that Lelandais was very interested in investigative techniques?
He watched all the programs on gendarmes, police, criminal investigations on TV. By letting his victims' bodies rot in the wild, he knew that no traces would be found. He wanted to become a policeman. He told me that he had taken the entrance exam but had failed it.
Do you think that Lelandais is at the origin of other disappearances, other murders?
For me, there are others. In particular, the case of the young Thomas Rauschkolb, 18 years old, found dead next to a nightclub in Grésy-sur-Aix (Savoie) near Chambéry, should be examined on 27 December 2015. At that time, I had just left Lelandais for the first time and he was in the same state of anger and frustration as when he killed Corporal Arthur Noyer on the night of April 11-12, 2017. The day before, on April 10, 2017, he had frightened me with his chainsaw.
What are you waiting for now?
That I be recognized as a victim. I have written to the Minister of Justice to ensure that my case is finally taken into account. They tried to make me look like the bad girl compared to the Lelandais. And that is unacceptable.
BBM
So there was a Sophie after all, another girlfriend around the same time.
I'm surprised about the possible link to Thomas Rauschkolb. IMHO his seemed a case of a delirium of sorts, in relation to drugs, drinks or medication. Never even considered that this might coincide with a significant date in the relationship of Lelandais and Karine. What a horrible notion for Karine to live with!!
Mort de Thomas Rauschkolb : les parents de la victime soupçonnent Nordahl Lelandais
The parents of Thomas Rauschkolb, the young man found dead on 28 December 2015, are calling for the investigation to be reopened and they are filing a complaint against X.
Nordahl Lelandais is once again under suspicion. Is the former dog-handler, already prosecuted for the murder of little Maëlys and the murder of Corporal Arthur Noyer, also involved in the death of Thomas Rauschkolb? The body of the 18-year-old man was found on 28 December 2015 at a riverside near a disco in Grésy-sur-Aix in Savoie, where he had spent the evening.
A nightclub in front of which Nordahl Lelandais had already been photographed three years earlier. For Thomas Rauschkolb's father, the death of his son was not a mere accident, as the investigation concluded. The family's lawyer, Maître Bernard Boulloud, has now filed a complaint against X for murder, with the dean of the investigating judges of Chambéry, according to Le Parisien and RT. But underlying this procedure, Nordahl Lelandais is indeed the one targeted.
The family's lawyer will also request the exhumation of the young man's body to perform an autopsy that may reveal new evidence. Thomas Rauschkolb's case is one of 40 unsolved cases in the gendarmerie's Ariane cell, which could potentially be linked to the former dog handler.
It was the testimony of Nordahl Lelandais' former girlfriend, published in Le Parisien on Monday, that set in motion this complaint. When asked about the possibility that her former partner might be the cause of other disappearances or murders, the young woman replied: "For me, there are others. In particular, the case of the young Thomas Rauschkolb, found dead on 28 December 2015, should be examined."
"At that time, I had just left Lelandais for the first time and he was in the same state of anger and frustration as when he killed Corporal Noyer on the night of 11-12 April 2017 in Chambéry. The day before, on April 10, 2017, he had frightened me with a chainsaw," the young woman testified in the newspaper.
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The parents of Thomas Rauschkolb, the young man found dead on 28 December 2015, are calling for the investigation to be reopened and they are filing a complaint against X.
Nordahl Lelandais is once again under suspicion. Is the former dog-handler, already prosecuted for the murder of little Maëlys and the murder of Corporal Arthur Noyer, also involved in the death of Thomas Rauschkolb? The body of the 18-year-old man was found on 28 December 2015 at a riverside near a disco in Grésy-sur-Aix in Savoie, where he had spent the evening.
A nightclub in front of which Nordahl Lelandais had already been photographed three years earlier. For Thomas Rauschkolb's father, the death of his son was not a mere accident, as the investigation concluded. The family's lawyer, Maître Bernard Boulloud, has now filed a complaint against X for murder, with the dean of the investigating judges of Chambéry, according to Le Parisien and RT. But underlying this procedure, Nordahl Lelandais is indeed the one targeted.
The family's lawyer will also request the exhumation of the young man's body to perform an autopsy that may reveal new evidence. Thomas Rauschkolb's case is one of 40 unsolved cases in the gendarmerie's Ariane cell, which could potentially be linked to the former dog handler.
It was the testimony of Nordahl Lelandais' former girlfriend, published in Le Parisien on Monday, that set in motion this complaint. When asked about the possibility that her former partner might be the cause of other disappearances or murders, the young woman replied: "For me, there are others. In particular, the case of the young Thomas Rauschkolb, found dead on 28 December 2015, should be examined."
"At that time, I had just left Lelandais for the first time and he was in the same state of anger and frustration as when he killed Corporal Noyer on the night of 11-12 April 2017 in Chambéry. The day before, on April 10, 2017, he had frightened me with a chainsaw," the young woman testified in the newspaper.
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Affaire Maëlys : l’avocat de Nordahl Lelandais veut faire annuler un témoignage glaçant
Nordahl Lelandais' lawyer will request the investigating judges of the Grenoble Court of Appeal this Thursday, October 24, to cancel the chilling testimony of a former co-detainee, who is accusing his client, reports Le Parisien.
At the end of 2018, Nordahl Lelandais' cell neighbour at Saint-Quentin-Fallavier prison (Isère) alerted the prison administration after confidences from the former soldier. According to his testimony, Nordahl Lelandais told him that he had raped Maëlys, giving many details about the sexual assault, before beating her to death to prevent her from struggling.
These statements go against the version delivered by the former soldier, who calls it an "accident". He claims to have hit the girl without intending to kill her.
While Nordahl Lelandais denied having made such comments to his former cellmate, the investigating judges took the testimony seriously. Especially since this man had no personal interest in alerting the authorities. Released in April 2019, he could not obtain a remission of his sentence. "I couldn't keep it to myself," he justified, quoted by Le Parisien.
For the former soldier's lawyer, Alain Jakubowicz, the cancellation of this testimony is a major issue for the future of the case. Rape could constitute an aggravating circumstance, synonymous with a much harsher sentence. On the other hand, if the testimony is withdrawn from the case, "it would make it possible to avoid a very damaging evidence, very compromising for the accused," according to Yves Crespin, lawyer of L'Enfant Bleu and La Voix de l'enfant, civil parties in the case.
Nordahl Lelandais has been indicted for murder and incarcerated since September 2017. He is also under investigation for the murder of Corporal Arhur Noyer and for sexually touching his little cousins.
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Nordahl Lelandais' lawyer will request the investigating judges of the Grenoble Court of Appeal this Thursday, October 24, to cancel the chilling testimony of a former co-detainee, who is accusing his client, reports Le Parisien.
At the end of 2018, Nordahl Lelandais' cell neighbour at Saint-Quentin-Fallavier prison (Isère) alerted the prison administration after confidences from the former soldier. According to his testimony, Nordahl Lelandais told him that he had raped Maëlys, giving many details about the sexual assault, before beating her to death to prevent her from struggling.
These statements go against the version delivered by the former soldier, who calls it an "accident". He claims to have hit the girl without intending to kill her.
While Nordahl Lelandais denied having made such comments to his former cellmate, the investigating judges took the testimony seriously. Especially since this man had no personal interest in alerting the authorities. Released in April 2019, he could not obtain a remission of his sentence. "I couldn't keep it to myself," he justified, quoted by Le Parisien.
For the former soldier's lawyer, Alain Jakubowicz, the cancellation of this testimony is a major issue for the future of the case. Rape could constitute an aggravating circumstance, synonymous with a much harsher sentence. On the other hand, if the testimony is withdrawn from the case, "it would make it possible to avoid a very damaging evidence, very compromising for the accused," according to Yves Crespin, lawyer of L'Enfant Bleu and La Voix de l'enfant, civil parties in the case.
Nordahl Lelandais has been indicted for murder and incarcerated since September 2017. He is also under investigation for the murder of Corporal Arhur Noyer and for sexually touching his little cousins.
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