France - Machine Gun attack on magazine Charlie Hebdo #1

[Waddles]

I will send you one

That would be wonderful! I'll PM you

 

[Waddles]

I was surprised that when the hostages ran out of the grocery, they were not corralled/led to an area for debriefing. I understand the chaos, but one man ran out and appeared to not have any idea where to go, with police everywhere and no one approaching him.

I hope they are offered counselling services. I can't imagine the PSTD they will experience.

That struck me too, he was terrified and wasn't sure where to run, I felt so badly for him. That would be crazy if they haven't spoken to and identified everyone who was in there.

 

[Waddles]

Waddles, I pop in occasionally to check updates here and have thought of you often. I can only say I am so sorry for your country right now. And now I see LinasK also has family in the area. My best to both of you, and anyone else who is there or knows people who are. Prayers for all.

Thank you Spellbound, that's very kind of you:blowkiss:

 

[SStarr33]

Here is a translated version of the call with the terrorists and the news agency.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...french-journalist-here-is-their-conversation/

ETA a link would help

 

[CoolJ]

So do they think this woman snuck out of there? How the hell does that happen? Police were everywhere!
Are they still saying there may be a male gunman that snuck out, or is it the woman?
Boy oh boy, lots of misinformation the last few days!

 

[SStarr33]

You can listen to the call with the news agency and the terrorist here:

http://jgoulon.perso.sfr.fr/Kouachi.mp3

 

[dotr]

http://www.jpost.com/International/...bbat-for-first-time-since-World-War-II-387262
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"The synagogue was evacuated during the event, Le Monde reported on Friday, and did not reopen for services on Friday night.

Friday's closure marks the first time since World War II the synagogue, a Paris landmark, was not open for worship on the sabbath, according to the Orthodox Union.

“The Jewish community feels itself on the edge of a seething volcano,” said Dr. Shimon Samuels, the Paris-based director for international relations at the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

“Hostages in a kosher supermarket held [up] by an African jihadist, who reportedly already killed two victims… The scenes are out of a war movie,” he said. “But the war is undeclared as long as the sickness is not publicly named as a state of emergency. A culture of excuse exonerates the perpetrators as ‘disaffected, alienated, frustrated, unemployed.’ No other group of frustrated unemployed has resorted to such behavior.”

 

[Waddles]

Gosh he sounds so calm, crazy! So sure of himself that he is rightful, that he doesn't kill women etc blah blah. That is chilling to hear. His voice is so normal like he is chatting and then calmly arguing.

 

[Waddles]

Oh my goodness I wish I had never listened to that. It's eerie and so disturbing, he is speaking so normally.

 

[SStarr33]

I posted this video earlier. Other are saying it is the terrorist at about 30 seconds in:

http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-di...rs-de-l-assaut-porte-de-vincennes_793119.html

And I can't believe the people inside and to the left were right freaking there where the police went in. I would have turned myself inside out.

Here is uncensored version so you can see them take that out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKWtDn0RMYg

 

[GinaSeikwa]

Gosh he sounds so calm, crazy! So sure of himself that he is rightful, that he doesn't kill women etc blah blah. That is chilling to hear. His voice is so normal like he is chatting and then calmly arguing.

Yet they killed a woman police officer. Yes it was interesting to hear how they didn't kill "des civiles" while they were on the run. Actually in his words they didn't "kill". They "avenged". How is it in Paris Waddles? I heard our local tv station (in Montreal) stating that it was generally business as usual. What's your take on the tension?

 

[Waddles]

I have added edits to the translation linked as things were missing or mistranslated

Kouachi: All we are telling you is that we are the defenders of the prophet ... and that I was sent, me, Cherif Kouachi, by al-Qaeda to Yemen.
Sahiri: Okay.
Kouachi: And I went there and it was Anwar al-Awlaki who financed me.
Sahiri: Okay, and this was how long ago, about?
Kouachi: It was before he was killed [something inaudible].
Sahiri: Okay, so you came back to France not long ago?
Kouachi: No, it’s been a long time [something inaudible]. The secret service don't worry I know them well. I know very well how I was able to do things so well (air of pride and arrogance and secrecy in voice)
Sahiri: Okay, and there, it’s just the two of you — you and your brother?
Kouachi: That is not your problem.
Sahiri: Are there people behind you or not?
Kouachi: That, that is not your problem.
Sahiri: Okay. And are you planning to kill again in the name of Allah or not?
Kouachi: Kill who?
Sahiri: I don’t know. It’s a question I'm asking.
Kouachi: Did we kill civilians, in the two days you were looking for us?
Sahiri: You killed journalists.
Kouachi: No, but did we kill civilians or people, in the two days you were looking for us? (tries to end conversation)
Sahiri: Cherif, did you kill anyone this morning?
Kouachi: No, we are not murderers. We are the defenders of the Prophet, we don’t kill, we don’t kill women, we don’t kill anyone. We defend the Prophet those who offend him we can kill, it’s not a problem. But we don’t kill women. We're not like you, not like you. It is you who kill children and muslims in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, that's you, that's not us! we have codes of honour we do, in Islam.
Sahiri: Yes but here you took revenge though didn't you. You killed 12 people.
Kouachi: That’s right, well-said. We've had our revenge. There you go. You said it yourself.

 

[Waddles]

Yet they killed a woman police officer. Yes it was interesting to hear how they didn't kill "des civiles" while they were on the run. Actually in his words they didn't "kill". They "avenged". How is it in Paris Waddles? I heard our local tv station (in Montreal) stating that it was generally business as usual. What's your take on the tension?

Thank you Gina, It's definitely business as usual, we are not going to let them stop us going about our lives, we are all defiant on that on social networks, out on Place de la Republique. We are so united and together, I have never experienced that before, it is very powerful.

 

[Waddles]

I posted this video earlier. Other are saying it is the terrorist at about 30 seconds in:

http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-di...rs-de-l-assaut-porte-de-vincennes_793119.html

And I can't believe the people inside and to the left were right freaking there where the police went in. I would have turned myself inside out.

Here is uncensored version so you can see them take that out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKWtDn0RMYg

That officer that goes in first, in the words of someone on twitter "he's got some balls!"! wow

 

[ZaZara]

It is scary but you're doubling up your gunmen I think. Gunman at grocery store and police officer murderer one and the same.
Also it's pretty much established that what was originally thought to be number 3 of Charlie Hebdo attack, the 18 year old brother in law is innocent, he was in school, turned himself in when his name was splashed everywhere and no involvement has been found as of yet.

The gunman of the police shooting on Wednesday left a fingerprint on the crime scene and was identified via DNA as Amedy Coulibaly.
Amedy Coulibaly assaulted the grocery store on Friday and killed hostages.

The news about the other accomplice in the store is mixed.
Some sources say the girlfriend was there, others say it was an unknown male.
There were rumours about another terrorist taking hostages on the same street in the aftermath of the liberation of the grocery store, but I haven't heard an end to that story, nor any news about developments.

 

[dandan08]

I was surprised that when the hostages ran out of the grocery, they were not corralled/led to an area for debriefing. I understand the chaos, but one man ran out and appeared to not have any idea where to go, with police everywhere and no one approaching him.

I hope they are offered counselling services. I can't imagine the PSTD they will experience.

There were 2 women too who ran left out of the grocery store with no police around them at all. When reports were coming out about the female terrorist escaping I was thinking 'could that be her?'

The cameraman follows the 2 women in this video @ 3:17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZX6Bjp--VU

 

[SStarr33]

I have added edits to the translation linked as things were missing or mistranslated

Kouachi: All we are telling you is that we are the defenders of the prophet ... and that I was sent, me, Cherif Kouachi, by al-Qaeda to Yemen.
Sahiri: Okay.
Kouachi: And I went there and it was Anwar al-Awlaki who financed me.
Sahiri: Okay, and this was how long ago, about?
Kouachi: It was before he was killed [something inaudible].
Sahiri: Okay, so you came back to France not long ago?
Kouachi: No, it’s been a long time [something inaudible]. The secret service don't worry I know them well. I know very well how I was able to do things so well (air of pride and arrogance and secrecy in voice)
Sahiri: Okay, and there, it’s just the two of you — you and your brother?
Kouachi: That is not your problem.
Sahiri: Are there people behind you or not?
Kouachi: That, that is not your problem.
Sahiri: Okay. And are you planning to kill again in the name of Allah or not?
Kouachi: Kill who?
Sahiri: I don’t know. It’s a question I'm asking.
Kouachi: Did we kill civilians, in the two days you were looking for us?Sahiri: You killed journalists.
Kouachi: No, but did we kill civilians or people, in the two days you were looking for us? (tries to end conversation)
Sahiri: Cherif, did you kill anyone this morning?
Kouachi: No, we are not murderers. We are the defenders of the Prophet, we don’t kill, we don’t kill women, we don’t kill anyone. We defend the Prophet [something] those who offend him we can kill, it’s not a problem. But we don’t kill women. We're not like you, not like you. It is you who children and muslims in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, that's you, that's not us! we have codes of honour we do, in Islam.
Sahiri: Yes but here you took revenge though didn't you. You killed 12 people.
Kouachi: That’s right, well-said. We've had our revenge. There you go. You said it yourself.

Thanks you for doing this. And I would get TO'd for weeks if I said what I wanted to about their "codes of honor".

 

[SStarr33]

That officer that goes in first, in the words of someone on twitter "he's got some balls!"! wow

Yes, he is a MAJOR hero.

 

[GinaSeikwa]

Bravo. C'est très touchant q'un événement comme lequel vous avez vécu vous permet d'être uni. We should all be inspired and come together so well.

 

[epiphany]

On Jan. 1, the president of Egypt made a stunning speech which has been virtually ignored by MSM.

<snip> Abdel Fattah al-Sisi spoke at Al Azhar, the greatest university in the Arab world, a place of Islamic scholarship dating back more than a millennium.

Al-Sisi didn&#8217;t just speak to scholars though. He also addressed the Awqaf Ministry, the government&#8217;s religious department that funds mosques and Muslim imams across Egypt.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/05/in-need-of-a-religious-revolution


Egyptian President el-Sisi calling for reformation of Islam on Jan 1:

"I am referring here to the religious clerics. &#8230; It's inconceivable that the thinking that we hold most sacred should cause the entire umma (Islamic world) to be a source of anxiety, danger, killing and destruction for the rest of the world. Impossible!

"That thinking &#8212; I am not saying 'religion' but 'thinking' &#8212; that corpus of texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the centuries, to the point that departing from them has become almost impossible, is antagonizing the entire world. It's antagonizing the entire world! ... All this that I am telling you, you cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mindset. You need to step outside of yourselves to be able to observe it and reflect on it from a more enlightened perspective.

"I say and repeat again that we are in need of a religious revolution. You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move &#8230; because this umma is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost &#8212; and it is being lost by our own hands."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...ror-shooting-al-sisi-epochal-speech/21390881/