France - Machine Gun attack on magazine Charlie Hebdo #1

[SStarr33]

This is amazing.

'We are here to support freedom. We will not be beaten': Paris sees ONE MILLION people stage defiant march alongside world leaders including David Cameron in moving tribute to 17 terror victims

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...people-prepare-march-Paris.html#ixzz3OWnRpcA9
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Did Obama or Biden go?

NM, I see they didn't. Who did they send?

 

[faw720]

This is amazing.

'We are here to support freedom. We will not be beaten': Paris sees ONE MILLION people stage defiant march alongside world leaders including David Cameron in moving tribute to 17 terror victims

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...people-prepare-march-Paris.html#ixzz3OWnRpcA9
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Did Obama or Biden go?

NM, I see they didn't. Who did they send?

Eric Holder & the American ambassador to France. There are 2 ways to look at that. Either U.S. officials didn't care enough to send the president or vice president OR perhaps they weren't wanted by the French. Close ties with America could possibly just bring more trouble to the French.

 

[Momoffourboys]

This is amazing.

'We are here to support freedom. We will not be beaten': Paris sees ONE MILLION people stage defiant march alongside world leaders including David Cameron in moving tribute to 17 terror victims

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...people-prepare-march-Paris.html#ixzz3OWnRpcA9
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Did Obama or Biden go?

NM, I see they didn't. Who did they send?

Eric Holder.

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/11/376496274/eric-holder-heads-to-paris-in-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-attack

 

[leah]

This is amazing.

'We are here to support freedom. We will not be beaten': Paris sees ONE MILLION people stage defiant march alongside world leaders including David Cameron in moving tribute to 17 terror victims

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...people-prepare-march-Paris.html#ixzz3OWnRpcA9
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Did Obama or Biden go?

NM, I see they didn't. Who did they send?

Eric Holder

 

[SStarr33]

Eric Holder.

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/11/376496274/eric-holder-heads-to-paris-in-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-attack

That says for talks and I don't see him in the photo I posted.

ETA and I just found this:

Holder, top US official in Paris for terror talks, not seen at unity march

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ficial-in-paris-for-terror-talks-not-seen-in/

SMH

 

[Cappuccino]

Eric Holder & the American ambassador to France. There are 2 ways to look at that. Either U.S. officials didn't care enough to send the president or vice president OR perhaps they weren't wanted by the French. Close ties with America could possibly just bring more trouble to the French.

Barack Obama publically criticised Charlie Hebdo for its Mohammed cartoons at a UN conference a few years ago. Maybe the French didn't want the hypocrisy.

 

[Colin de France]

Very symbolic the position of the leaders in this photo ..
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/gale...llande-recoit-le-monde-entier-a-l-elysee.html

 

[Elley Mae]

Very symbolic the position of the leaders in this photo ..

Please put a link to the photo, it will be removed without. jmo

 

[Boytwnmom]

I have no issue with his right to speak. My issue is whether we are listening to what he and others say and are acting to defend ourselves. This guy, who I assume is Anjem Choudary advocates the overthrow of western governments to impose Sharia law and Muslim domination. Free speech does not require us to not act on speech. If I advocate overthrowing the US government by force, it will be acted on. We have no obligation to allow people who advocate our murder into our countries, provide them a platform for their speech, and stand silently while they murder us. Of course, they don't believe in free speech. They wish to violently take over our countries and eliminate free speech and women's rights and religious freedom, make us all wear the burka literally and figuratively. One hour ago he tweeted this:

When the Shari'ah becomes law in France the honour of men & women, Muslims & non-Muslims & the Prophets will be protected: ISLAM IS SUPERIOR

and yesterday this:

In the war between the camp of Islam & that of Kufr there can only be one eventual victor. Allah has promised victory to the true believers!

and this:

Allah created our Eyes to see, our Ears to hear & our Tongue to speak so there is nothing called freedom of Sight or of Hearing or of Speech

I am glad he has the right to free speech! He is telling us his plans. And followers of this brand of Islam are out there implemnting these plans. When do we get off our tushes, that is my question.

What's they saying? When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Well, when someone tells me they are at war with me, I believe it. Free speech is not a suicide pact. If you tell me you want to kill me-do I just ignore it because it is "free speech"? Or do I protect myself?

But he sure exercises that right himself: like many others preaches hate in Britain, fearing no consequences.


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[ZaZara]

Richard Hall Verified account

Senior Correspondent and Middle East & Africa Editor for @GlobalPost. Formerly @Independent, @AFP and others.



Richard Hall ‏@_RichardHall

Spoke to Saudi ambassador at #jesuischarlie rally. Says he's here in solidarity with French people. And free speech? No comment.


BBM

 

[bettybaby00]

My husband's best friend from childhood married a woman from Paris. He moved there last summer. My husband was speaking to them on the phone tonight, and Monique said something very moving. She said that until this week, she never really understood fully, the depths of 9/11. And now, as she feels the wrenching sadness of losing 17 citizens, she said it really gave her pause, and she cried when she imagined the despair of losing 2500 in one fell swoop. She actually apologized to us because she said she had not fully contemplated the depth of that atrocity until now. :cry:

It is hard to fully appreciate how bad these attacks are unless it is your own country it happens to.
There arent too many countries left that terrorists have not targeted. Austrailia, US, France now, and many more.
It wont be long before the whole world has gotten hit by them.

It is so sad.

Many people in the US have "forgotten." At the time Americans were united in their grief and outrage, but it has waned overtime. As someone who lost 2 people in the attacks, our family will never forget. Like many in the NY metropolitan area, I have vivid memories of the fear I felt that day as I scrambled to retrieve my kids from preschool as we had no idea if more was coming and I felt strongly that if there was more to come, I wanted my family with me. My husband was set to fly home from Colorado that morning but his flight was grounded before it could take off when for the first time in this country's history US airspace was shut down. It took him 19 hours to drive nonstop across the country, and in the meantime I was glued to the TV, while waiting for news on friends and other family members who were in the city at the time of the attacks. When my mother-in-law called that morning to tell me that Thomas had gotten a call through from the roof of the WTC, saying, "I can't get down" I knew things would never be the same. His newborn son was only 4 days old. It was many months later, when his young son, 2 other children, and his wife and extended family were finally able to "bury" him. His family was fortunate in a sense as they had something to bury. B/c of his dad's connections his parents were invited to NYC along with many other families who were given small boxes of "debris" from the ruins of the twin towers.

The devestation in downtown NYC smoldered for nearly 4 months and the country's resolve was strong. It didn't last though. That's natural when the outside world watches a community rebuild from some type of tragedy. we see it happen time, and time again. It's not natural, however IMO, for our government to forget, to become complacent, and ignore the growing threats. Yet that's what has happened, and it seems clear that isn't going to change anytime soon. It seems apparent to me that another 9-11 is the only thing that's going to reignite America's resolve against this threat.

The fact that our president failed to show up in Paris today reinforces this belief IMO.

MOO, MOO, MOO and all that jazz eace:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

As I start to research this, all of this-beliefs, how isolated are the radicals, how well do the immigrants assimilate, etc., I am frankly astonished by a lot of what I find. Things that are simply ignored by the media and politicians. Is it political correctness? I don't know, but we need to start dealing with reality. We cannot ignore this any longer. From what I read, the current generation being raised is the most radical and these are people being raised in our western countries. And, for the record, Islam, it doesn't mean peace, it means "submission".

In the UK, Islam is projected to be the dominant religion within the next 50 years. The Muslim Brotherhood has funded a majority of the mosques in the west. This includes the US. See the stats below which show the number of mosques that have texts advocating violence. The Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. This was all discussed in a 1991 memo, 1991! http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/muslim-brotherhood-founded-50-mosques-west#

This isn't about not liking Muslims or being an Islamaphobe. But it is about education. I feel like I am almost completely ignorant about all this. I thought only fringe kooks wooried about "the Muslims". There's a prominant Imam in the UK who I just learned about-Anjem Choudary. Read about him-he's all over the media, Twitter etc, no attempt to hide his beliefs which include (all from his Twitter stream): (Oh, and he wrote an Op-ed for USA Today this past week.)

The polling results I've been reading are a huge surprise to me. And this is what people will admit. I assume at least some people want to hide their feelings.

And what are Muslims in the US being taught?

I found all this very eye-opening. I have no idea what to do about it. There's alot I don't know. But I am going to start learning. I have children and thus a responsibility to ensure the type of country I am leaving to them is the same as I the one I safely enjoyed. I do feel all our western countries need to band together and address this.

This whole situation is starting to sound familiar to pre WW2 times when many of the European leaders ignored / appeased Hitler, thinking he would only go so far, until it finally dawned on them that he would keep going and they had to do something to stop it. I for one feel like we have been LIED to by our leaders, I think they have hidden the Islamic threat from us, after allowing that threat to grow because they think we, the ordinary citizens will provoke the situation in a direction they do not want, meanwhile they sit on their hands not knowing what to do.

I have no issue with his right to speak. My issue is whether we are listening to what he and others say and are acting to defend ourselves. This guy, who I assume is Anjem Choudary advocates the overthrow of western governments to impose Sharia law and Muslim domination. Free speech does not require us to not act on speech. If I advocate overthrowing the US government by force, it will be acted on. We have no obligation to allow people who advocate our murder into our countries, provide them a platform for their speech, and stand silently while they murder us. Of course, they don't believe in free speech. They wish to violently take over our countries and eliminate free speech and women's rights and religious freedom, make us all wear the burka literally and figuratively. One hour ago he tweeted this:

and yesterday this:

and this:

I am glad he has the right to free speech! He is telling us his plans. And followers of this brand of Islam are out there implemnting these plans. When do we get off our tushes, that is my question.

What's they saying? When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Well, when someone tells me they are at war with me, I believe it. Free speech is not a suicide pact. If you tell me you want to kill me-do I just ignore it because it is "free speech"? Or do I protect myself?

From what I am reading so called extreme Islam (or rather, Islam in it's purest form) has a political agenda that is not hidden, but has been dismissed or minimised for reasons which I cannot understand, and while that has been the case they have made some major in-roads.

Our problem now is home grown terror, not terror coming from overseas. Also we should not forget that the motivation is to make everyone live under Shari'ah law, so a magazine insults the prophet, then the cartoonists shall be punished according to Shari'ah law, since the law of the land is not Shari'ah then those that imposed it shall be punished by the nations laws, as we have seen here, but to the fundamentalists it is still a victory, because they know that the fear will stop others from acting in the same way, and slowly western countries begin to adapt themselves to Shari'ah purely out of the wish to live peacefully.

Also 'terror' is just a by product, it may seem like the goal, but the goal IMO is punishment and deterrent for breaking Islamic laws.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Eric Holder: No 'Credible Information' To Determine Responsibility For Paris Attacks

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/11/eric-holder- paris-attack_n_6451448.html?utm_hp_ref=eric-holder

 

[faw720]

Barack Obama publically criticised Charlie Hebdo for its Mohammed cartoons at a UN conference a few years ago. Maybe the French didn't want the hypocrisy.

I did not know this. Thanks for the information.

I am proud of the people who came to Paris to show their support! I must say that I also get very nervous when world leaders gather in one place. There are lots of the crazy bad guys out there who would love to create more carnage.

 

[Cappuccino]

I was watching the news coverage of the march earlier - Obama's absence stuck out like a sore thumb because every other head of government from any country which is important enough for their head of government to be recognisable, was there. There didn't seem to be any other American famous enough to be recognisable there either.

A poor show from the White House IMO.

 

[ZaZara]

MOROCCO ABSENT FROM MARCH BECAUSE OF CARTOONS



NOS reports:
http://nos.nl/artikel/2012791-marokko-boycot-mars-parijs-vanwege-profeetcartoon.html

Translation


The Moroccan Foreign Minister Mezouar has decided not to join the march in Paris since cartoons of the Prophet are being shown.
This concerns cartoons that were previously published in Charlie Hebdo, the magazine that was last week targeted by a deadly terrorist attack.

The minister had already announced previously that he wanted to join the march, but that placards with cartoons would be unacceptable for him.

On behalf of his country Mezouar offered this morning in Paris condolences to president Hollande.

When it was reported that indeed a prophet cartoons were visible, he decided to abandon the protest march, Moroccan media report.

Other Arab public figures, such as the royal couple of Jordan and Palestinian President Abbas, did join in an part of the march.


BBM

We are all Charlie, but some are only Charlie without cartoons. The islam idea of Free Speech ends where islam begins.

It is easy to call this FM certain names, but bear in mind that for instance Britain's leading ethical newspaper The Guardian, still has to show these cartoons with the Prophet.
They even manage to avoid pictures of the march with thes cartoon in them.

 

[Footwarrior]

Barack Obama publically criticised Charlie Hebdo for its Mohammed cartoons at a UN conference a few years ago. Maybe the French didn't want the hypocrisy.

For those that care about reality, Snopes has the details on what Obama really said at the UN:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obamafuture.asp

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied."

 

[bettybaby00]

Eric Holder: No 'Credible Information' To Determine Responsibility For Paris Attacks

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/11/eric-holder- paris-attack_n_6451448.html?utm_hp_ref=eric-holder

And there it is. It's no longer about being complacent, it's become a willful denial of the facts.

 

[Elley Mae]

Eric Holder: No 'Credible Information' To Determine Responsibility For Paris Attacks

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/11/eric-holder- paris-attack_n_6451448.html?utm_hp_ref=eric-holder

:facepalm:

:shame:

:liar:

:doh:

Could someone send this to eric for clarification.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/jan/11/amedy-coulibaly-islamic-state-charlie-hebdo-video

Now I know why no one of importance went to paris, if you don't know who or why then avoid the truth of the matter and stay away, like it didn't happen. :thinking:

 

[Elley Mae]

And there it is. It's no longer about being complacent, it's become a willful denial of the facts.

What a sick situation we are in. jmo