France, Paris - "Lola", 12, Missing after school, Body bound in suitcase, Numbers 1 & 0 put on corpse with 'device', Oct. 2022 *Female suspect arrest*

[Gemmie]

According to this article Paris shocked by murder of Lola, 12, found in box
2 post-it notes were on her feet, one with a 0 and one with a 1.

Yeah, I had wondered if notes were put on her after reading the vague description of the numbers 1 & 0. Very odd.

 

[Gemmie]

Another pic of Lola.

Horrific new twist after body of girl, 12, found in suitcase: 'Tortured'

Shocking details have emerged about the alleged rape and murder of a 12-year-old girl whose body was stuffed into a suitcase.

au.news.yahoo.com

 

[scandinavian girl]

We have a common saying in swedish "Ett noll till mig" wich means roughly I win you loose. France is not far away and we are historically connected in language so maybe there is a similar saying in french. Just a thought.

ETA ett is one and noll is zero in swedish, sorry

 

[5W's]

Heartbreaking and for the parents and loved ones, just unimaginable pain

<modsnip> sounds like they were psychotic and that's horrific because when they get well and stable again, they'll have to live with this for the rest of their life.

If its true that Bleach was used to cover up the crime than this horror could knowinlgy been committed with full rationale. IMO there is culpability here because Lola seemed to walk with the perp. The reason I say this is because Lola could have been lured by this perp. And that IMO speaks of intention. I feel like Lola may have felt sorry for the perp as she amy have seen the perp begging or sitting on the street so perhaps Lola let her in the building to help the perp out.

 

[5W's]

We have a common saying in swedish "Ett noll till mig" wich means roughly I win you loose. France is not far away and we are historically connected in language so maybe there is a similar saying in french. Just a thought.

ETA ett is one and noll is zero in swedish, sorry

IDK to me that sounds like jealousy and hate for the victim. I can think a number of reasons that the perp could see it this way from what you have explained in the cultural context. Lola is a local schoolgirl with a bright future even though her parents are hardworking people with normal manual jobs (custodian.) And Lola had the respect of her family and community as is the opposite of the perp (homeless.) This perp has no empathy from me.

 

[5W's]

It’s scary how many mentally ill (and other) people are walking around who will take offense at a benign encounter. Lola’s mother was right to refuse an access card to this woman (I’m sure it was standard practice), but what a horrible price she paid. However, had she given her a card, this woman could have harmed another resident who “offended” her. Who could ever imagine the revenge this woman would take! Horrific.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with the suggestion of the number of mentally ill in this regard. There is a reason I say this don't take me wrong but lets take road rage as an example (I'm attempting to explain what I mean.) In road rage it comes almost instantaniously (as you said benign encounter) and the driver becomes enraged. There are many instancnces of "enraged drivers" out there so in the context of Lola's murder the point is its not the amount that are out there but the motive and action of the perp. IMO the perp had other reasons as well and among them are jealousy and hate. However of course I see the point you are getting at about the benign encounters and the offense felt by the individual how frightening that is. Too me I see the motivation and the resulting action as the telltale of what happened within that encounter.

 

[5W's]

I think it is highly unlikely a homeless person can preserve harvested (stolen!) organs long enough for them to be moved and used. IMO the suspect is delusional and sadly Lola paid the price.

I agree but a homeless person could know others who do something like that. I'm just saying. Its LE's job to investigate that part.

 

[5W's]

The numbers are wack.
If the perp has that many issues, the numbers are only important to her.
Or, maybe not.

Post #104 by scandanviangirl. That post explains the meaning culturally.

 

[Smkd]

I agree with you LammyTheRobot, this might be the saddest of the true crime stories I have heard, but this is the world we live in. We need to stop making excuses for mental illness, stop ignoring it and realize it is here to stay. I’m not sure what Lola and her family could have done, but people knew this woman was sick and yet she was still free to roam.

This is just my opinion, and I’m not disputing what you’re saying at all. I think we probably are mostly in agreement, just responding since you brought it up.

I don’t think it’s so much making excuses for mental illness, but accepting that it’s a factor in situations like this while still finding the crime unacceptable. I wouldn’t say that it’s making an excuse, but acknowledging it can help us make sense of why this happened and what needs to change to prevent it happening again.

As you say, this person was free to roam while people knew of her mental state. If it turns out that the services that were supposed to help this person dropped the ball multiple times along the way, unlike the perpetrator, none of the people responsible for helping her will see consequences. And I have seen this in other cases before. When the government services that are supposed to prevent this are not fit for purpose, the only person blamed is the perpetrator. Of course only one person committed the offence, but that doesn’t matter - when situations like this happen we all pay the price of inadequate support systems.

And yes, lots of people with mental illness or troubled pasts live their lives without hurting anyone ever. But that seems like a moot point when the reality is that a child is dead and there’s a possibility that we as a society could’ve done more to prevent it.

 

[5W's]

The 10 could relate to a perfect score- in gymnastics.

JMO

EBM ...I seriously though that I had read this child was a gymnast .
I see nothing to verify this. No idea where that came from.

Just for your info Post #104 by scandanavian girl explains the cultural context.

 

[5W's]

Thinking wildly out loud about the numbers 1 and 0, possibly 10; the 10th rule of the Islamic rite regarding dead persons (“Ghusl”):

“10. All parts of the body must be washed thoroughly as explained above.”

But also French cultural context Post #104. It explains.

 

[azure]

But also French cultural context Post #104. It explains.

Scandinavian cultural context posed theoretically for this case. Given that the perp was born in Algeria, I don't think it's relevant.

 

[Gemmie]

According to this article Paris shocked by murder of Lola, 12, found in box
2 post-it notes were on her feet, one with a 0 and one with a 1.

Here's what I've been thinking about those numbers, if they were indeed numbers. Sticky notes/Post-it Notes don't stick all that well and can come off fairly easily. Were they written like this: 1 O

or was it more like this: I O

I don't think a lot of people write their one's like

(Although I do).

If the latter (l O) then we might be missing 2 stickie notes that came off. Especially if they were put on before she was stuffed into the suitcase. Another l and an a.

l O l a

 

[seasideForest]

Scandinavian cultural context posed theoretically for this case. Given that the perp was born in Algeria, I don't think it's relevant.

Yes, JMO but I think even the Scandinavian-French connection is tenuous in this case. Swedish is a Germanic language, French a Romance language for a start. I may be wrong but as far as I know and remember there's no huge cultural exchange between France and Sweden the way there might be between neighbouring countries, especially neighbouring countries speaking a similar language.
I suppose due to colonial history there may be some cultural and certainly language influence from France to Algeria and even vice versa but none of that gives a basis for the Swedish connection.

MOO JMO

 

[seasideForest]

I don't think a lot of people write their one's likeView attachment 373950(Although I do).

Quote shortened for clarity.

Actually in some continental European countries that's exactly how you write your 1, or even more so, to the point of it being confused with a British 7. Idk how it is in France, have forgotten.

 

[seasideForest]

Thinking wildly out loud about the numbers 1 and 0, possibly 10; the 10th rule of the Islamic rite regarding dead persons (“Ghusl”):

“10. All parts of the body must be washed thoroughly as explained above.”

Sounds more plausible to me than the Swedish connection. JMO MOO

RIP Lola.

 

[Lod76]

This is absolutely horrific. Not so sure about the mental illness myself. Can anyone that commits such a crime ever be said to be of sound and stable mind?

From a criminal perspective there seems to be a grudge towards the mother so there's your motive and she seems to have used Lola to gain access to the building and exact revenge in the most horrific way imaginable. JMO but I don't think it can be argued that she didn't know what she was doing or that she didn't know that what she was doing was wrong. So for me the mental illness is irrelevant in the circumstances, don't know why they bother to even mention it as it's just comes across as a way to minimise her culpability.

There is clear premeditation here and it's just pure evil IMO

 

[fiveducks]

To me, the numbers likely represent a win and loss. Like: Lola's mom-0, Killer-1

 

[LammyTheRobot]

This is just my opinion, and I’m not disputing what you’re saying at all. I think we probably are mostly in agreement, just responding since you brought it up.

I don’t think it’s so much making excuses for mental illness, but accepting that it’s a factor in situations like this while still finding the crime unacceptable. I wouldn’t say that it’s making an excuse, but acknowledging it can help us make sense of why this happened and what needs to change to prevent it happening again.

As you say, this person was free to roam while people knew of her mental state. If it turns out that the services that were supposed to help this person dropped the ball multiple times along the way, unlike the perpetrator, none of the people responsible for helping her will see consequences. And I have seen this in other cases before. When the government services that are supposed to prevent this are not fit for purpose, the only person blamed is the perpetrator. Of course only one person committed the offence, but that doesn’t matter - when situations like this happen we all pay the price of inadequate support systems.

And yes, lots of people with mental illness or troubled pasts live their lives without hurting anyone ever. But that seems like a moot point when the reality is that a child is dead and there’s a possibility that we as a society could’ve done more to prevent it.

Yes you said it with the right nuance I think - it’s not about excusing but understanding and having awareness of risk.

 

[LammyTheRobot]

Something that hasn’t been highlighted much (probably because it’s difficult to even read and think about) is the female-on-female sadistic rape element of this crime. It is highly unusual.