FRANCE - Truck drives into crowd celebrating Bastille Day in Nice, 2016 *Guilty*

[rob]

Oh, the terrorists do it in the name of their perverse notion of Islam.
Radicals do not practice true religion, IMO.

Our perceptions of islam are very different.

 

[gregjrichards]

More reporting from the press conference:





More:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/europe/nice-france-truck/

It's a great pity the truck rental company never reported it stolen for not being returned when it should have been on Wednesday.

 

[x_files]

It's a great pity the truck rental company never reported it stolen for not being returned when it should have been on Wednesday.

So many people dropped the ball.

 

[Everyday Grace]

French Justice Minister Jean-Jacques Urvoas offers some details about the attacker’s police record.

While the attacker had been linked to several legal cases, he was only convicted of one in the past.

In May 2016 he was involved in an altercation in which he threw a wooden pallet at another motorist.

He did not get jail time, but as a result had to check in with a parole officer once a week for a period of two months, a requirement he fulfilled rigorously, Urvoas said.

http://m.france24.com/en/20160715-live-blog-liveblog-nice-truck-attack-french-city-dozens-killed

 

[Inthedetails]

So many people dropped the ball.

For a nation under heightened security, it does seem that way. Then again, how many cars and trucks miss deadlines and it isn't for criminal reasons? It's like using boxcutters to bring down a plane...no one was concerned until it happened the first time. Of course, trucks are a bit more obvious as there have been attacks using trucks before....but not in Nice.

I totally agree that this could've been prevented at a few different stops along the way, and it's hard to read about opportunities missed. But then again, I don't want to be pulled over and investigated if I'm late returning a rental car and I doubt LE wants to do that either.

The criminals - especially terrorists - know how to play us. How to fight it without losing ourselves in the process? I want to be safe but I don't want a police state and I don't want to suspect every minor wrongdoing as something hugely sinister.

This is hard.

 

[x_files]

For a nation under heightened security, it does seem that way. Then again, how many cars and trucks miss deadlines and it isn't for criminal reasons? It's like using boxcutters to bring down a plane...no one was concerned until it happened the first time. Of course, trucks are a bit more obvious as there have been attacks using trucks before....but not in Nice.

I totally agree that this could've been prevented at a few different stops along the way, and it's hard to read about opportunities missed. But then again, I don't want to be pulled over and investigated if I'm late returning a rental car and I doubt LE wants to do that either.

The criminals - especially terrorists - know how to play us. How to fight it without losing ourselves in the process? I want to be safe but I don't want a police state and I don't want to suspect every minor wrongdoing as something hugely sinister.

This is hard.

In the States if a rental car/truck isn't returned it's reported immediately, but it still wouldn't prevent a terrorist act.
I agree with you what can we do?

 

[Inthedetails]

In the States if a rental car/truck isn't returned it's reported immediately, but it still wouldn't prevent a terrorist act.
I agree with you what can we do?

Exactly. The way to work the system is to commit the crime with the truck before it's due back at the rental agency.

I'm taking a break from this. I'll check in later. Please try to solve the problem by then.

 

[Everyday Grace]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...y-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle

The prosecutor says that Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel was known to police and the courts “due to threats, violence and petty theft between 2010 and 2016”.

He was “detained on the 23rd of March on 2016” and sentenced to six months, for a road rage incident. “There was an altercation between him and another driver and he hurled a wooden pallet at the man,” Urvoas told reporters.

He had also been detained for “voluntary violence with weapon and that was in January 2016”.

And if you're like me and wondering about the bicycle:

“He arrived alone by bike, [and] this bike was then found alone in the truck. The truck was seen at about 10.30 in Nice before it went to the promenade.”

I'm assuming they are saying he arrived at the lorry rental company by bicycle.

I am wondering if he kept the bicycle in the cargo box as a means of possible escape.

 

[x_files]

Exactly. The way to work the system is to commit the crime with the truck before it's due back at the rental agency.

I'm taking a break from this. I'll check in later. Please try to solve the problem by then.

I've got no solutions either and extremely overwhelmed too.

 

[gregjrichards]

In the States if a rental car/truck isn't returned it's reported immediately, but it still wouldn't prevent a terrorist act.
I agree with you what can we do?

I just wish the police had gone to his apartment early yesterday to get the truck returned. Or if an alert had been put out about it being stolen the police could have checked the license plate hours before the attack whilst he was waiting on the promenade and confronted him. I agree though if he was determined enough he could have hired a truck on another day and attacked then. That's what is so frightening about this attack all it took was one guy and a truck this could happen anywhere.

I would like to know why his license wasn't revoked after he fell asleep whilst driving his work truck and crashed into cars a few months back. If he didn't have a current driving license he wouldn't have been able to rent the truck used in the attack.

 

[dotr]

On CNN last night they had a security guy give similiar advice he works for the Israelia Security team. I think it's time we all started taking this more seriously.

Actually did not see that item, so some of my " crazy ideas " are not always so crazy, lol.
One of the many benefits of using the fork lifts, is that someone driving them can also keep watch and record activities, but, it can easily be moved if necessary to accommodate a surging crowd, a concern voiced in a post up thread.
imo.

 

[gregjrichards]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...y-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle




And if you're like me and wondering about the bicycle:



I'm assuming they are saying he arrived at the lorry rental company by bicycle.

I am wondering if he kept the bicycle in the cargo box as a means of possible escape.

I've read his bicycle was found in the cargo box. This CNN article confirms this http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/15/europe/nice-france-truck/

 

[Hope4More]

Unbelievably sad. A completely senseless act of violence by one barbarian: so many lives lost, destroyed, altered forever.

One little boy who survived, but who will likely be scarred by what he saw, asked afterwards--"am I dreaming? Is this a dream?"

No, not a dream. A nightmare. How do we explain to our children that monsters are real, without robbing them of their innocence?

 

[Everyday Grace]

So what's with the fake guns? Seems kinda useless when you're plowing people down in a truck to bother with fake guns.

Possible that the guns are not "fake," but rather cheap knock-offs of specific manufacturers and models.

I'm seeing repeated reporting of both "replicas" and "fakes."

It could be a matter of semantics and/or translation.

Not clear to me what exactly the facts are to this regard.

 

[x_files]

Possible that the guns are not "fake," but rather cheap knock-offs of specific manufacturers and models.

I'm seeing repeated reporting of both "replicas" and "fakes."

It could be a matter of semantics and/or translation.

Not clear to me what exactly the facts are to this regard.

That would have been a joke on him if someone sold him fake guns and he thought they were real.

 

[Everyday Grace]

I just wish the police had gone to his apartment early yesterday to get the truck returned. Or if an alert had been put out about it being stolen the police could have checked the license plate hours before the attack whilst he was waiting on the promenade and confronted him. I agree though if he was determined enough he could have hired a truck on another day and attacked then. That's what is so frightening about this attack all it took was one guy and a truck this could happen anywhere.

I would like to know why his license wasn't revoked after he fell asleep whilst driving his work truck and crashed into cars a few months back. If he didn't have a current driving license he wouldn't have been able to rent the truck used in the attack.

Sourcing on the information about his job and a wreck remains a bit weak for my taste at this point.

It is understood he lost his job as a delivery driver when he fell asleep at the wheel and crashed into four cars.

Yesterday, he was stopped by police just hours before he crushed scored of people underneath the wheels of his 25 tonne truck and fired shots indiscriminately at police and innocent bystanders.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hes-crowd-Bastille-Day-celebrations-Nice.html

"It is understood" gives me no sense as to where the DM got that information.

As far as I'm aware, it was not brought up at the press conference in Paris today.

It may be a fact that will come out as additional questions are asked and aspects looked into.

Having a wreck won't necessarily cost a US truck driver their CDL, even when falling asleep at the wheel is a factor.

I'm also seeing conflicting information reported as to the size of the truck. 25 tonne reported above in the DM; 19 tonne reported elsewhere.

Lots of room for fluidity as to facts at this point, IMO.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Divorced, depressed, aggressive: The Nice attacker exposed
Paint peeling off the walls, a broken dresser, clothes strewn across the floor, and not one photograph. Inside the apartment of 31-year-old Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhel, who murdered 84 people in Nice, France on Thursday night

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4828868,00.html

 

[i.b.nora]

Here is an article in The Telegraph based totally on reporting by BFM TV (a French television station).

Who is the Nice terror attack suspect? Everything we know so far about Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel

“Lahouaiej Bouhlel was a 31-year-old French-Tunisian delivery driver known to police who is reported to have driven a 19-tonne white Renault lorry into crowds gathered for Bastille Day celebrations in the French Riviera city of Nice, killing 84 people. His identity as the driver has not been confirmed by the French police.

The perpetrator of Nice's worst-ever terror attack was reportedly a married father-of-three, who neighbours described as a "loner" with a George Clooney haircut.”​

There is much more, I am having reloading difficulties this morning:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ce-terror-attacker-everything-we-know-so-far/

Here is a link to the original source that has a livestream:

BFM TV Livestream: http://www.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/live-video/
(helps to understand French, I do not)

 

[Everyday Grace]

Additional sourcing on the information about a wreck related to falling asleep at the wheel:

Neighbours told the French television channel [BFM TV] that he was not particularly interested in religion, adding that he preferred girls and salsa.

They said that he had been unhappy since he divorce, and that he suffered from financial problems. He was a delivery driver, but recently caused an accident after falling asleep at the wheel and was taken into custody following the incident.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...river-who-killed-84-on-french-riviera-was-cr/

If I'm not mistaken, both this account and the one in the DM were reported relatively early.

Again, the sourcing of the information is vague.

It's not clear if the information came from BFM TV and/or a neighbor, or from somewhere else.

Also a possibility that the DM source is The Telegraph, or vice versa. Could be circular sourcing with no indication of original sourcing.

Not something I would pick up as a fact with nothing more solid behind it that I'm seeing at this point.

Pet peeve of mine, but YMMV.

 

[bluesneakers]

Those civilians are hostages in their own home. JMO

Well put.