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[Jayelles]

And yet they sent the boys to school everyday?

I can't find information on the Paughs staying at the Stines (other than posts by you.) Can you give a source on that?

Page 153 DOI.

Do you think this could be important?

 

[tipper]

Page 153 DOI.

Do you think this could be important?

Thanks. 160 in ppbk for anyone who wants to look it up.

 

[tipper]

Found it, thanks. Its 160 in my book. They appear to have moved in in the first or second week of February. Surprisingly, it was John who asked Patsy to ask Susan if they could stay after the incident with Jay Elowsky and the reporters.

 

[capps]

Found it, thanks. Its 160 in my book. They appear to have moved in in the first or second week of February. Surprisingly, it was John who asked Patsy to ask Susan if they could stay after the incident with Jay Elowsky and the reporters.

That's right Tipper.
As I remember it,according to Patsy in DOI,she was at the Stine's house,when she called John,frantic because there were a slew of reporters and cops at the Elowsky house,because of the baseball bat incident.John told Patsy to ask Susan Stine if they could stay there,and they ended up staying for months.In fact,it became a running joke at the dinner table at the Stine's house,when Susan would say,"the Ramsey's showed up for dinner one day,and never left."

It is strange though,that the Paugh's stayed there also,when they had the apartment in Boulder.

 

[Nehemiah]

Nehemiah, Possibly not so strange, if you have an agenda to fulfill and make sure any chronology, e.g. prior night time visits, are synchronized, along with any loose ends that need tidied up, are all attended to!

Which could go along with the thoughts that if the boys were responsible for an accidental death, the Rs and Ss stayed together to convince/assure the boys that JB *really* died at the hands of an *intruder perp*. The only way that I can go along with young boys killing JB would be if there were an incident involving rage and J/P sent one boy home, sent B to bed, and made him think that she was ok, until he awoke the next morning and said "what did you find?" He thought she was all right on Christmas Night, went to bed, and voila...someone had come in and murdered his sister! Then the Rs/Ss had to go to work to convince them and the world of that.

Not saying I believe that, but it can make sense to me while fitting in with the families living together.

Nine people in the S's house is bizarre when we are talking about people of wealth and means, and an apartment right there in town!

 

[simplesimon]

------------>My memory is fading, but I seem to recall that the Stines lived 6 blocks from the Ramseys. A distance that would have been easy driving distance the morning of the 26th, to return an overnight young guest. I would also guess that a young guest had his own cell phone to have made a phone call from the R's.

WE=WS'ers, had speculated in earlier sleuth years, that an overnight guest could have 'gone home in the night' via a bicycle, er been picked up by someone. Recall if you will, Mr. Stine did not arrive with the entourage the morning of the 26th, am I right BlueCrab? As I recall Ms. Stine was present, yes or no?

So, IF I am right on my recall, someone would have had to stay with the young Stine boy at their home. Where was NI, did he go 'home' for Christmas, er?


PS: I had another speculation about the missing video Christmas morning. Could the young Stine have come over and arrangements made on the video to stay overnight. Just a wild hair, that popped into my head.

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I also thought that maybe DS slept over that nite. However lots of posters disagreed because of the R's leaving so early in the am. I still think it is a possibility.
I also find the S's behavior odd. BC , in PMPT didn't Schiller say that SS was doing PR's "make-up" for an interview??strange..also didn't SS send emails to someone pretending to be someone else?
maybe someone can refresh my memory.
The fact that they all lived at the same house and then all moved to another state is very weird considering that JR does not consider them good freinds.
Throw in the fact as someone pointed out it was SS that answered the door for the 911 call it becomes odder yet.

 

[BlueCrab]

Page 153 DOI.

Do you think this could be important?

Jayelles,

No, it's not important. As you and I and most regulars know, it's a diversion technique by the RST to change the topic and get the discussion away from anything that may incriminate the Ramseys. The diversions on WS have been going on for years.

Probably the best way to respond is to answer any question brought up and try to get the discussion back on topic.

BlueCrab

 

[Nehemiah]

I also thought that maybe DS slept over that nite. However lots of posters disagreed because of the R's leaving so early in the am. I still think it is a possibility.
I also find the S's behavior odd. BC , in PMPT didn't Schiller say that SS was doing PR's "make-up" for an interview??strange..
Also didn't she write some emails pretending to be someone else? maybe someone can refresh my memory.
The fact that they all lived at the same house and then all moved to another state is very weird considering that JR does not consider them good freinds.
Throw in the fact as someone pointed out it was SS that answered the door for the 911 call it becomes odder yet.

Simon, yes, in PMPT, Schiller wrote about the British documentary, by Mills and Tracey. Schiller informs about the fact that the Rs agreed to no restrictions during the interview, yet the attorneys come back with restrictions. Alas, the Ramseys prevail, saying that "they would be open to all questions and that their friend, Susan Stine, would do their makeup." It's almost like Schiller is subtly giving some kind of clue to something. He said himself that he had to leave out a good portion of what he knew about the case. And, yes, SS sent emails posing to be Beckner.

Another thought: is it possible that the Rs wanted SS to be with them during the interview, yet they didn't want to raise eyebrows about that so they invented a job for her (doing their makeup). That way, she would be allowed to be with them so they could keep their stories straight? Weird, but possible.

Camper, do you know how large the S's house was? Have you ever seen the outside of it?

 

[IrishMist]

I also thought that maybe DS slept over that nite. However lots of posters disagreed because of the R's leaving so early in the am. I still think it is a possibility.

I think it's a possibility, too. When I was growing up we went to Florida every year. We left the day after Christmas, and I was allowed to bring a friend for alot of those trips. So, of course, my friend would spend the night Christmas night...

 

[Nehemiah]

Does anyone here in the Boulder area have the S's former address in Boulder?

edited to ask a different question

 

[simplesimon]

Simon, yes, in PMPT, Schiller wrote about the British documentary, by Mills and Tracey. Schiller informs about the fact that the Rs agreed to no restrictions during the interview, yet the attorneys come back with restrictions. Alas, the Ramseys prevail, saying that "they would be open to all questions and that their friend, Susan Stine, would do their makeup." It's almost like Schiller is subtly giving some kind of clue to something. He said himself that he had to leave out a good portion of what he knew about the case. And, yes, SS sent emails posing to be Beckner.

Another thought: is it possible that the Rs wanted SS to be with them during the interview, yet they didn't want to raise eyebrows about that so they invented a job for her (doing their makeup). That way, she would be allowed to be with them so they could keep their stories straight? Weird, but possible.

Camper, do you know how large the S's house was? Have you ever seen the outside of it?

Thanks,Nehemiah

I find the whole SS connection strange,

 

[tipper]

I think it's a possibility, too. When I was growing up we went to Florida every year. We left the day after Christmas, and I was allowed to bring a friend for alot of those trips. So, of course, my friend would spend the night Christmas night...

But why would nobody have been told about it? One would think Patsy or Burke would have mentioned it in passing at the party.

 

[Nehemiah]

But why would nobody have been told about it? One would think Patsy or Burke would have mentioned it in passing at the party

Maybe it all developed spur of the moment when the Rs went by to drop off the Christmas gift earlier that evening. Maybe that's why P said that she was the only one who went inside while the others waited in the car--she distanced everyone from that event.

 

[tipper]

Maybe it all developed spur of the moment when the Rs went by to drop off the Christmas gift earlier that evening. Maybe that's why P said that she was the only one who went inside while the others waited in the car--she distanced everyone from that event.

How many people did the plane seat? By the time they met up with the kids they would be 8.

 

[IrishMist]

Or, Patsy didn't want to hurt feelings for not taking the White's son, so she just didn't say anything about it...

 

[BlueCrab]

Does anyone here in the Boulder area have the S's former address in Boulder?

Nehemiah,

The Stines lived in Boulder at 816 10th Street. It's assessed value in 1998 was $530,400, but I don't know how big it was. In DOI Patsy admits they slept on sofas and on floors. Incidentally, the Stines also sold two lots at University Place for $630,000 when they evacuated Boulder.

BlueCrab

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I can't understand why you would want to inconvenience friends for five months by staying at their house and sleeping on their sofas, floor, etc, even having extended family stay there too, when there were any number of other arrangements that could have been made.

And the issue with the children...The Rs had the "Burke Watch" enacted to "guarantee" Burke's safety while at school (well, as much as untrained parents of other children keeping an eye on the boy could be), but did that extend to the S's son? Was no one concerned that the "intruder" that had targeted the Rs was going to make a second appearance, or decide that with the Burke Watch in place (because I'm sure that would have been terribly daunting to a foreign faction *big eye roll*) that the S's son was also a possible victim?

 

[Nehemiah]

Based upon the address that BlueCrab posted, the S's 10th St. home had almost 2,700 square feet, with 10 rooms. Not a small house, but not nearly as big as the R's home. It probably was large enough for the Rs to stay there with them, but throwing in the grandparents would have made it tighter. The property sold 8/99 for $630,000.

 

[tipper]

Based upon the address that BlueCrab posted, the S's 10th St. home had almost 2,700 square feet, with 10 rooms. Not a small house, but not nearly as big as the R's home. It probably was large enough for the Rs to stay there with them, but throwing in the grandparents would have made it tighter. The property sold 8/99 for $630,000.

You can get quite a good satellite picture of it from google maps. The Ramsey house picture isn't as clear.

 

[tipper]

How many people did the plane seat? By the time they met up with the kids they would be 8.

Found it. The plane seats a maximum of 8 so there wouldn't have been room for Doug Stine.