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Former Member
Is this the story?
1998 interview
1 MIKE KANE: Just to follow up on
2 what Lou was saying about Gloria Williams. You
3 said you finally put a stop to it, or called and
4 said -- how did you do it?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it was
6 actually Patsy indirectly or unknowingly helped
7 that. I met Patsy, she was one of the first
8 persons I met that I really cared about, and
9 wanted to -- I always kind of thought she was
10 kind of a gift from my another to help me get my
11 life straightened out, who had died ten years
12 before.
13 But Patsy and I were down, we were
14 downstairs in the apartment, she was staying
15 cooking hamburgers, and I went upstairs to get
16 some more wine, and when I got up there, this
17 Gloria had called and said she was coming over
18 and I didn't want it to mess up my -- what was
19 just starting to be a relationship with Patsy.
20 And so I left the apartment, I just left. I
21 didn't want her to find me anywhere.
22 And she came over and was
23 apparently knocking on my door and Patsy by this
24 time was thinking, where in the world did I go?
25 She said she came upstairs, she tells the story
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1 later she came upstairs with these two wine
2 glasses and here is this woman standing and
3 knocking on my door and she said well, where is
4 he? And this Gloria says he is in with her.
5 Patsy said her, her who? She said Patsy. Oh,
6 well, I was just bringing these wine glasses
7 back.
8 She was smooth as a cucumber, and
9 later that evening, I came back, kind of told
10 her what had happened, I said I had this
11 girlfriend that was crazy and I just didn't want
12 it to -- and so I said I was going to stay
13 there that night and sleep on the couch, because
14 I didn't want to be in my apartment and we were
15 just talking and knock, knock, knock on the
16 door, and -- actually I think I was going to
17 leave. There was a knock on the door, and I was
18 literally behind the door, Patsy opened the
19 door, it's Gloria, and she said I was waiting
20 for John, I want to come in, use your phone and
21 Patsy, "oh, our phone is out of order, we just
22 moved in."
23 And here I was standing behind the
24 door, I was -- then she just was -- and from
25 that moment -- first of all, from that moment
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1 on, Gloria left me alone and I also realized how
2 much, what a significant person Patsy was.
3 Because here she was a 23-year-old, just
4 standing there. So that was kind of the
5 breaking point.
I notice he says "indirectly or unknowingly."
1998 interview
1 MIKE KANE: Just to follow up on
2 what Lou was saying about Gloria Williams. You
3 said you finally put a stop to it, or called and
4 said -- how did you do it?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it was
6 actually Patsy indirectly or unknowingly helped
7 that. I met Patsy, she was one of the first
8 persons I met that I really cared about, and
9 wanted to -- I always kind of thought she was
10 kind of a gift from my another to help me get my
11 life straightened out, who had died ten years
12 before.
13 But Patsy and I were down, we were
14 downstairs in the apartment, she was staying
15 cooking hamburgers, and I went upstairs to get
16 some more wine, and when I got up there, this
17 Gloria had called and said she was coming over
18 and I didn't want it to mess up my -- what was
19 just starting to be a relationship with Patsy.
20 And so I left the apartment, I just left. I
21 didn't want her to find me anywhere.
22 And she came over and was
23 apparently knocking on my door and Patsy by this
24 time was thinking, where in the world did I go?
25 She said she came upstairs, she tells the story
0487
1 later she came upstairs with these two wine
2 glasses and here is this woman standing and
3 knocking on my door and she said well, where is
4 he? And this Gloria says he is in with her.
5 Patsy said her, her who? She said Patsy. Oh,
6 well, I was just bringing these wine glasses
7 back.
8 She was smooth as a cucumber, and
9 later that evening, I came back, kind of told
10 her what had happened, I said I had this
11 girlfriend that was crazy and I just didn't want
12 it to -- and so I said I was going to stay
13 there that night and sleep on the couch, because
14 I didn't want to be in my apartment and we were
15 just talking and knock, knock, knock on the
16 door, and -- actually I think I was going to
17 leave. There was a knock on the door, and I was
18 literally behind the door, Patsy opened the
19 door, it's Gloria, and she said I was waiting
20 for John, I want to come in, use your phone and
21 Patsy, "oh, our phone is out of order, we just
22 moved in."
23 And here I was standing behind the
24 door, I was -- then she just was -- and from
25 that moment -- first of all, from that moment
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1 on, Gloria left me alone and I also realized how
2 much, what a significant person Patsy was.
3 Because here she was a 23-year-old, just
4 standing there. So that was kind of the
5 breaking point.
I notice he says "indirectly or unknowingly."
