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[aussiesheila]

Thanx Aussie for explaining your theory a bit more for me, you have probably already explained that somewhere here, but sometimes I miss stuff....
Any one of us could be right about what happened that night...
Do you think Burke was abused also, or just JonBenet?
I have read somewhere and not from something official like the autopsy report,I cant remember where, that JonBenet's vagina looked considerably different than vagina's of other little girls her age....have you read that??

Narlacat,
I go away and lose track of things. I just came across this reply of yours from months back. Do I think Burke was abused? I really don’t know. I think if one or other of the pedophiles in the group liked boys rather than girls then Burke could have fallen prey to one but I have never read anything that made me suspicious that he had. I think I did read about someone adding their opinion to what the coroner who did the autopsy stated but I didn’t take much notice as it just seemed like someone else seeking to get themselves into the limelight. I think the coroner would have stated it in his autopsy report if he had noticed anything unusual about the appearance of her vagina.

 

[aussiesheila]

So now you claim PR is closely connected to pedophiles and she was a victim of sexual abuse and narlacat wants to throw Bruke in the ring too.

Where's the evidence.

It’s my theory and there is no concrete evidence for it. All I can say is that I am familiar with the modus operandi of pedophiles. They first become friendly with the family of the child they wish to gain access to, they are very helpful to them, they try to become indispensible to them so at least one adult member of family becomes very reliant on them. Once that is achieved, the mother (and maybe the father too) will think that person is so wonderful they will become very trusting of them. Women with low self esteem such as those who have been sexually abused themselves as a child are particularly vulnerable to this kind of manipulation. I can see in Patsy’s words and actions indications of a woman who was sexually abused as a child. I did notice that Boulder detectives asked a few probing questions about her father. I do think she is closely connected to two pedophiles - it seems to me that FW fits the description of the ingratiating friend and he does have at least two relatives who I have read a few strange things about, and as for that Santa, he just screams pedophile to me.

 

[sharpar]

capps,

IMO you should rule him out. The Ramseys wouldn't be lying and covering up to protect Fleet White. They would only lie and cover up to protect a Ramsey.

I believe FW was seriously concerned about what the Ramseys were doing that morning and what they were saying. I believe he had doubts of the foreign faction as well. I dont believe anyone outside the family is involved in this horror. John pointed the finger of accusation in his direction directly to LE very early and nine years later the taint is still there . I believe that FW knew John well enough to be very concerned . Being friends with John and Patsy certainly created a horrible situation .
I believe FW not only wants his name cleared but the crime to be investigated properly and the murderer and abuser punished.
I think the stress of this whole ordeal has taken its toll on him and his family.
I believe he confronted John whenever he had the opportunity to do so knowing that time was not on his side.

 

[aussiesheila]

I think you may be partially on the right track or getting close, there had to be something special about whoever molested JonBenet that night, that made one and all cover for him. I don't know if it's the pedophile ring per se. It would be mighty dangerous to stick your neck out and expose one, if the others at the party even knew about it. There may be something more besides that, I'm thinking.

Quoting you here, "What I believe is that FW was a member of the same group of pedophiles that some of the perpetrators were also members of. I believe the suspicious behaviour on his part arose from the fact that he was involved in the coverup. I think he masterminded the coverup for his pedophile mates, the ones that had been abusing JonBenet with him for years, a fact that he was afraid would become become public knowledge as a result of the killing. "

Why so large a group, not just the Ramseys, would participate in this coverup is the question. For years people have accused the R's alone of a lying coverup, but lots of others also covered up. Or didn't know, when it was right under their noses.

Maybe the reason nobody properly cared for JonBenet was to keep it secret from the party group?

But I'm asking what more would cause people, and LE to cover for someone? What could there be that's more than a pedophile ring? An international one had been busted, I believe, not too long before this.

Is that absolutely the only "worst case scenario"?

I don't think John knew anything at all about any prior sexual abuse of JonBenet. But I think Patsy did. I don't think John had anything to do with the coverup, only Patsy did.

Why the coverup? If you were a pedophile and had been abusing children for years and years would you want anyone to know about it? Even if only one or two of the group were present at the murder don't you think it would be in the interest of all the other pedophiles that they had been partying with over the years to try to have the murder blamed on someone else so that their past pedophile activities would remain secret and could continue? If one of the pedophiles knew something unsavory about a high ranking officer of the BPD (maybe that he was a pedophile himself) don't you think he could and would use that power and have the officer direct the investigation away from the pedophile group?

Why was Patsy complicit in the coverup? If you had allowed your daughter to be sexually abused by people who called themselves your friends and she ended up being accidentally killed while an abuse session was taking place, wouldn't you prefer the world to believe that she had been killed as a result of a kidnapping? If you knew your husband had no idea that this had been happening to his beloved daughter over all those years wouldn't you even just want to keep your terrible secret from him?

 

[aussiesheila]

No..I am sorry. I really don't believe you. I think you are WAY off on that theory you posted earlier. I guess we each have our own opinions. Have a good evening.

That's fine. I know my theory is hard to believe. I don't know why I think so differently from everyone else.

 

[aussiesheila]

It's been like 9 years since the revelation & I've struggled with it ever since. It was painful because now that she was free of the dirty secret, her mental capacity was such that we could never have a two-way conversation about it. It just became a broken record, repeated again & again. But as I began to process it, it made a lot of my mother's character make some sense to me. My dad has said it did for him too. She was obsessive-compulsive CLEAN, & very reserved about sex. A discussion of sex with me & my sisters, forget it. Definitely overly protective where boys & even men were concerned. Am I convinced that because my mom behaved this way that all incest survivors act in kind - absolutely not. I've heard of mothers who do look the other way when something is going on right under their noses. I have never heard a reason given being that they themselves had been victims as children, usually they are victims of spousal violence, or pedophiles themselves. Regardless, I have seen not one iota of evidence of Patsy ever being abused. I don't see how people can pull a Geragos & just throw something against a wall to see if it sticks, & run with it. Especially about such a serious allegation.

Yours is an extremely sad story and I am very sorry for you and your family. Every person is an individual and I don't think you can expect every one to react to similar life events in the same way. I do however, think that some abused women behave the way I described. I don't know for sure that Patsy was abused. What I do know is that her behaviour is very, very odd and has to be explained somehow. Maybe she wasn't abused. Maybe she suffers from a personality disorder. I think that is another possiblity.

 

[narlacat]

Tom Haney, a detective on the case, described Patsy as pretending to be someone she was not. He didnt believe in multiple personalities but having interviewed Patsy for quite a number of hours, he concluded he was sure 'she was not who she pretended to be-ever'.

 

[tipper]

Tom Haney, a detective on the case, described Patsy as pretending to be someone she was not. He didnt believe in multiple personalities but having interviewed Patsy for quite a number of hours, he concluded he was sure 'she was not who she pretended to be-ever'.

That sounds pretty cryptic. Who did he think she was pretending to be?

 

[Tricia]

There you go ....

There are 15 things mentioned in this thread alone,that make me raise an eye brow.

I'm not saying he's guilty,or even involved.I'm certainly not mentioning Fleet just to take any pressure off the Ramsey's.

But I do think there's enough unusual behavior,if I was LE, to but him on the radar screen.

I hope he's not involved in any way.

Fleet White was not involved in anyway whatsoever. He was cleared by the police. I am not certain of many things but I am certain Fleet White and anyone in his family had nothing to do with the death of JonBenet.

There are very few things I will put an end to as far as discussions go. One of them is the "Fleet White did it" stuff.

Capps, please I am not getting down on you at all even though it seems like it

There was a small yet annoying group that did their best to try and bring FW down and they failed when their lies were exposed. These freaks are still out there and try and disrupt both of my forums by bringing up FW and his family.

As long as the discussions on FW and his family remain non accusatory I have no problem. I wanted to give you a heads up. Just in case.

I haven't been through all of this thread but I am sure there aren't any problems. I would have heard about it I believe.

This is personal to me. I have a lot of respect for Fleet White and what he has been through and what he has tried to do. I hope you all understand.

Thanks.

 

[aussiesheila]

Tricia, I am one of the posters who has been discussing FW and why I believe he was involved in the cover up. What exactly do you mean by your comments? Are you saying I am not allowed to discuss this anymore on this forum?

 

[Tricia]

Tricia, I am one of the posters who has been discussing FW and why I believe he was involved in the cover up. What exactly do you mean by your comments? Are you saying I am not allowed to discuss this anymore on this forum?

Hi Aussiesheila.

I was talking about the freaks that try and come and disrupt the discussion by claiming FW did it and then claim all kinds of bizarre things about him.

That is not what you are doing Aussiesheila and I appreciate that. I just wanted to put the warning out there that if these nuts start floating around here again I'll put a stop to it.

Although I 100 percent disagree with your possible theory that FW was involved in the cover up I have no problem with you discusisng it as long as you stick to the facts of the case to support your theory.

Please understand this man has been through so much. He was so wronged. He is a great guy with a wonderful family. I am sensitive when it comes to discussions about him. I don't want to be the cause of any more pain for him or his family.

That being said he is a case player and will forever be linked to the case and discussions about him will always take place.

I hope this clears it up for you my dear.

Take care,
Tricia

 

[JBRMod2]

Tricia, I am one of the posters who has been discussing FW and why I believe he was involved in the cover up. What exactly do you mean by your comments? Are you saying I am not allowed to discuss this anymore on this forum?

No worries Aussiesheila! - Tricia is referring to some forum history of orchestrated Fleet bashing. There are certain individuals who occasionally infiltrate discussions for the sole purpose of bashing Fleet White. They have been around the forums for a long time spreading their hatred and lies.

When we discover they are in our midst, we remove the threads and the posters.

 

[capps]

Fleet White was not involved in anyway whatsoever. He was cleared by the police. I am not certain of many things but I am certain Fleet White and anyone in his family had nothing to do with the death of JonBenet.

There are very few things I will put an end to as far as discussions go. One of them is the "Fleet White did it" stuff.

Capps, please I am not getting down on you at all even though it seems like it

There was a small yet annoying group that did their best to try and bring FW down and they failed when their lies were exposed. These freaks are still out there and try and disrupt both of my forums by bringing up FW and his family.

As long as the discussions on FW and his family remain non accusatory I have no problem. I wanted to give you a heads up. Just in case.

I haven't been through all of this thread but I am sure there aren't any problems. I would have heard about it I believe.

This is personal to me. I have a lot of respect for Fleet White and what he has been through and what he has tried to do. I hope you all understand.

Thanks.

Tricia,

No problem. If you do not want Fleet discussed,I will not discuss him.
I am not part of an "annoying group" or one of the "freaks".

I never was.As you can see by my many posts throughout the JBR forum,and my theory in the "Members' Theory"thread.Fleet is a case player,as are many others.I was just seeing where he MAY have fit in,just like I look at all the other case players,and where they may fit in.

Any way .... end of discussion about Fleet White.

 

[aussiesheila]

Thanks Tricia and JBRMod 2 for clearing that up for me. I guess i wasn't around when all that was happening. But I can't change my theory about FW unless new evidence that contradicts it comes up. I think we have to be free to discuss anyone involved in the case if this forum is what it purports to be.

I am yours most sincerely,
aussiesheila

 

[sissi]

Thanks Tricia and JBRMod 2 for clearing that up for me. I guess i wasn't around when all that was happening. But I can't change my theory about FW unless new evidence that contradicts it comes up. I think we have to be free to discuss anyone involved in the case if this forum is what it purports to be.

I am yours most sincerely,
aussiesheila

I agree, however, I understand how the moderator "feels", I have felt this way for years whenever I read disturbing ,false information concerning another cleared person, Burke.

 

[Brefie]

I agree, however, I understand how the moderator "feels", I have felt this way for years whenever I read disturbing ,false information concerning another cleared person, Burke.

Wasn't it a legal obligation to 'clear' Burke - even if the GJ found him to be guilty? Just asking. I want to make sure as if not - I gots me some re-thinking to do!!!

 

[aussiesheila]

I agree, however, I understand how the moderator "feels", I have felt this way for years whenever I read disturbing ,false information concerning another cleared person, Burke.

I agree with you Brefie and I have to add also that I have felt this way whenever I read disturbing , false information concerning Patsy and John who, while they may not have been cleared, should at least have been shown more consideration for they, after all have lost a beloved daughter and may very well be innocent.

 

[sissi]

There are people who believe Jonbenet was molested before her murder, if this is so, it would suggest someone needed her dead before she was outside of their control and vacationing with family. Anyone who had "alone" time with her can't really be cleared, if this is the case.
If she was not molested before her murder it would make for a larger suspect pool, for sure!

 

[Brefie]

I agree with you Brefie and I have to add also that I have felt this way whenever I read disturbing , false information concerning Patsy and John who, while they may not have been cleared, should at least have been shown more consideration for they, after all have lost a beloved daughter and may very well be innocent.

I think maybe you didn't mean to agree with me, but rather sissi.

WHY, when LE will not clear JR & PR should they be shown consideration? They are murder suspects! Don't tell me you think Scott Peterson should have been shown more consideration before he was arrested??

John and Patsy lost a daughter, for sure - but they also might very well be guilty and while LE will not clear them, they are fair game. IMO.

 

[Tricia]

I agree with you Brefie and I have to add also that I have felt this way whenever I read disturbing , false information concerning Patsy and John who, while they may not have been cleared, should at least have been shown more consideration for they, after all have lost a beloved daughter and may very well be innocent.

You see AussieSheila that is where we disagree.

The Ramseys have not only hindered the investigation they have tried to destroy innocent people. I have zero sympathy for them.

All of my sympathy goes to JonBenet.