"G (Guilty)" vs "NG (Not Guilty)" Where do you stand?

[Brini]

I thought the tape may have been placed to stop fluids, too. But, I have read that when a person dies, the muscle in the jaw relaxes and drops, making the mouth open. Considering the description of the placement of the tape strips, and the fact that they are what was holding her jaw in place when her remains were found, I think KC may have been trying to tape her mouth shut. Maybe she couldn't take seeing her there with her mouth open, not moving. (Oooh! It makes me shutter just to type that!)

A lot of people are disturbed by the open mouth, it's true.

But, why tape up the nose, too?

 

[ClockWatcher]

I guess you'll just have to have patience and faith in JB. He has made us this promise:

Oct. 14, 2008
"During a news conference today, attorney Jose Baez said his client's behavior would be explained at trial.
"We have a court system set up for this," he said. "I sincerely believe when we have finally spoken, everyone, and I mean everyone, will sit back and say, now I understand, that explains it."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6032237&page=1

lol.....I'll be busy between now and then making tin foil hat's for everyone to wear, 'cause that's the only way everyone will sit back and say " Thanks Jose! Now I can believe your crack-pot explanation."

 

[chefmom]

A lot of people are disturbed by the open mouth, it's true.

But, why tape up the nose, too?

Cuz she's a spiteful b^tch!

 

[JWG]

A lot of people are disturbed by the open mouth, it's true.

But, why tape up the nose, too?

Because when I laugh milk comes out my nose? :waitasec:

Seriously...the nasal and oral cavities are connected in a big way. Stuff that leaks from the mouth can leak from the nose ... and vice versa. :sick:

 

[ClockWatcher]

What's the point of using tape, at all, when one has multiple plastic bag's available?

 

[chefmom]

Because when I laugh milk comes out my nose? :waitasec:

Seriously...the nasal and oral cavities are connected in a big way. Stuff that leaks from the mouth can leak from the nose ... and vice versa. :sick:

Connected to the eyes as well. I had a bad eye injury once and it made my nose run! Seriously!

 

[countzero]

What's the point of using tape, at all, when one has multiple plastic bag's available?

Tape was handy, bags an afterthought after the leakage. But as JBean would remind me, there is a thread about this ........ just don't have the link handy.

 

[ClockWatcher]

Tape was handy, bags an afterthought after the leakage. But as JBean would remind me, there is a thread about this ........ just don't have the link handy.

No need to bring in the JBean...

My point was just made by you. One doesn't use tape on a leaking body, one bags it. Therefore, tape was used prior to leakage, indicating cause of death. Premeditated, guilty as hell.

 

[Jolynna]

No need to bring in the JBean...

My point was just made by you. One doesn't use tape on a leaking body, one bags it. Therefore, tape was used prior to leakage, indicating cause of death. Premeditated, guilty as hell.

Exactly. Beautifully said.

 

[Jolynna]

KC didn't dress Caylee in her best dress. She didn't put shoes on her feet. She didn't wrap Caylee's arms in the bangles Caylee loved. Or the beaded necklaces. Mama doll wasn't in Caylee's arms. Teddy, the teddy bear RM said Caylee loved,wasn't found with Caylee.

It doesn't appear that Casey did anything to pretty up what she'd done. She stuck Caylee in trash bags the way Caylee was, duct tape over her face and all,.

I think the heart sticker was an afterthought. "Bye"

 

[Searchfortruth]

I can't see the tape being used after death either, believe me I would love for this to be the case, for Caylee. There isn't a point, that I see, in placing that much duct tape around the face, to cover both mouth and nose, only to stop fliuds from escaping. I feel sure the DP was brought back because of the duct tape, and I think the state will be able to show that logically duct tape, on the face of a child, equals premeditated murder.

 

[chefmom]

I can't see the tape being used after death either, believe me I would love for this to be the case, for Caylee. There isn't a point, that I see, in placing that much duct tape around the face, to cover both mouth and nose, only to stop fliuds from escaping. I feel sure the DP was brought back because of the duct tape, and I think the state will be able to show that logically duct tape, on the face of a child, equals premeditated murder.

I have to tell ya, I REALLY hope that tape was placed after death, because if they can prove it was on there while that baby was alive........I just don't have the words to describe the way that thought makes me feel. I accept that it is entirely possible, but for that baby's sake, I pray it wasn't.

 

[MaedchenX]

No need to bring in the JBean...

My point was just made by you. One doesn't use tape on a leaking body, one bags it. Therefore, tape was used prior to leakage, indicating cause of death. Premeditated, guilty as hell.

A million times this.

 

[Muzikman]

What's the point of using tape, at all, when one has multiple plastic bag's available?

I've always thought that however Caylee died, Casey used the duct tape to make it look like a "kidnapping," just to support the story she came up with.

Could have been before or after death, but it's the story she came up with and is/was sticking to.

 

[Ripley007]

KC didn't dress Caylee in her best dress. She didn't put shoes on her feet. She didn't wrap Caylee's arms in the bangles Caylee loved. Or the beaded necklaces. Mama doll wasn't in Caylee's arms. Teddy the teddy bear, RM said Caylee loved wasn't found with Caylee.

It doesn't appear that Casey did anything to pretty up what she'd done. She stuck Caylee in trash bags the way Caylee was, duct tape over her face and all,.

I think the heart sticker was an afterthought. "Bye"

I SO agree with you. Your post needs to remain on the first page!!!

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I've always thought that however Caylee died, Casey used the duct tape to make it look like a "kidnapping," just to support the story she came up with.

Could have been before or after death, but it's the story she came up with and is/was sticking to.

I used to think the same thing...until I heard how much tape had been used on Caylee's face and that it most likely covered her nose as well as her mouth.

I believe Casey to be rather flighty and lazy, taking whatever shortcut she can find whenever possible...therefore, I don't see her applying several layers of tape, covering Caylee's little button nose and going into her hair, just to stage a kidnapping scene. Who at her age with her education (and obsession with herself and how everything should be all about her getting whatever she wants with the most minimal effort on her part) would think a kidnapping scene needs tape over the nose and mouth and into the hair?

I think she would have pulled off one piece, one layer, slapped it over Caylee's mouth only and then skipped off to text TonE and make plans for the evening if she was adding the tape post-mortem to stage a kidnapping scenario.

The fact that she felt the need to use multiple pieces and go into the hair and over the nose indicates to me that she meant for this tape to make a tight seal over her daughter's nose and mouth to ensure death by asphyxiation.

If she was staunching leaking, wouldn't any aperture or orifice be the source of leakage? I'm not sure about it, and I don't mean to be graphic, but she didn't put tape over Caylee's eyes or ears - and if her nose and mouth were leaking fluid, wouldn't it also find its way out of her tear ducts or from inside her ears? IMO to all.

 

[Mystic]

Furthermore, none of the released documents even hypothesize that the tape was placed there before death. They only go so far as to say it was placed there prior to decomposition. My own opinion based on reading the documents is that it was placed there after death, likely to stem the flow of fluids, the source of which may have been decomposition or the lungs draining of pool water. It is not possible to determine which based on what I have seen.

I've wondered about pool water drainage from the lungs. What messes me up is that Caylee wouldn't have been wearing pull-ups while swimming. In which case it makes sense about needing a shovel to clean up other drainage. If Caylee did drown accidently, this pool not being inground would mean she climbed the ladder hmmm I have thoughts of why that probably is not the case. Although, if that had occured I imagine that KC would have claimed 'accident' by now and not the elaborate nanny story. imo the tape seems more about part of the manner of death

 

[Ripley007]

Bottom Line-Multiple Layers of Duct Tape=Pre-Meditated MURDER!

 

[DaughterAlice]

Here's something that may be really hard to read:

As of this moment right now, and until a jury finds otherwise: she is NOT GUILTY on all charges. Period. This is how our justice system works, and those rights are for everyone, from the most vile of people to the most saintly.

There, I said it . . . let the thrashing begin! I'm a big girl, I can take it. . . . I hope . . .

 

[countzero]

No need to bring in the JBean...

My point was just made by you. One doesn't use tape on a leaking body, one bags it. Therefore, tape was used prior to leakage, indicating cause of death. Premeditated, guilty as hell.

I am not tied to either of the duct tape scenarios at this point in time. If Dr G had stated the tape was definitely placed pre-death then I have no choice but to accept her professional opinion. Which I would.

Having witnessed a passing I can tell you some leakage is immediate, within 30 minutes to see. Unless one is extremely familiar with people passing, it takes some time for the events of what is happening to register in the brain.

Caylee's remains were found with her Poo blanket. After Caylee was murdered she could have been wrapped in it alone while KC and/or the A clan decided what to do.

What we do not know is when Caylee's body, immediately or hours later when leakage was noticed, was moved into the backyard where we know from the dogs hitting the scent. What we do not know is when Caylee was bagged .... WHEN the duct tape was applied.

As to my comment for JBean, that was for her to know I knew I was straying off topic ... again. Not intended for anyone personally.