"G (Guilty)" vs "NG (Not Guilty)" Where do you stand?

[Jolynna]

Correct. To conclude the duct tape was the mechanism of death or the cause of death is speculation -- juries are not permitted to speculate.

I didn't say the duct tape was the cause of death. After taping, KC could have strangled Caylee to make it go quicker. She could have shaken Caylee. But, those are semantics.

Bottom line--When KC put layers of duct tape over Caylee's face and nose, she was trying to kill Caylee. It was deliberate and intentional.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Juries speculate, come on now. My theory is she sat on top of her and taped her up, and suffocated her. And watched her suffer and die.

 

[Jolynna]

Juries speculate, come on now. My theory is she sat on top of her and taped her up, and suffocated her. And watched her suffer and die.

That is my theory too.

The jury won't have to speculate. They'll see the photographs of Caylee's duct-taped skull.

They'll get to see KC strolling arm-in-arm with Tony through Blockbusters within hours after Caylee was killed.

They'll get it.

IMO

 

[Justice07]

WOW...I haven't really followed this case very much. I have read some and watched Nancy G. some, but was caught up in a different local case for awhile. I always thought that Casey was guilty, but assumed that it was somewhat accidental. Is it confirmed that both Caylee's nose and mouth were duct taped?

 

[Flossie JMO]

That is my theory too.

The jury won't have to speculate. They'll see the photographs of Caylee's duct-taped skull.

They'll get to see KC strolling arm-in-arm with Tony through Blockbusters within hours after Caylee was killed.

They'll get it.

IMO

I'm sorry that we share that view and mental image.It haunts me.

 

[Brini]

I'm sorry that we share that view and mental image.It haunts me.

Pity it doesn't haunt the perp!

No pity, no guilt. The only remorse is that she got caught.

 

[Brini]

Correct. To conclude the duct tape was the mechanism of death or the cause of death is speculation -- juries are not permitted to speculate.

Honey, you are gonna be AMAZED at the number of things that the jurors will be doing that you are saying they cannot do. ;-)

 

[trixi491]

But the key word here is setup. So what I am asking is what evidence is there that Casey setup a kidnapping scenario.

Yes, her comments to police that ZFG took Caylee are evidence - but to me, these are more evidence of lying than setting up a kidnap scenario. KWIM?

In a way, I believe the made-up ZFG could be the set-up for the kidnapping. There is proof that KC talked about ZFG way before Caylee went missing. It could be said that she made up this person so she'd have someone to blame the "kidnapping" on, if and when she decided to rid herself of Caylee. Most children are generally kidnapped by their caregiver so it would be believable that a nanny would take her. However, a nanny no one has ever met/seen/talked to is a different story

 

[Brini]

Juries speculate, come on now. My theory is she sat on top of her and taped her up, and suffocated her. And watched her suffer and die.

And, then went out and rented flicks with her latest squeeze.

No remorse.

That's why sociopaths are dangerous They do not love, normally, and they do not feel guilt.

 

[Flossie JMO]

And, then went out and rented flicks with her latest squeeze.

No remorse.

That's why sociopaths are dangerous They do not love, normally, and they do not feel guilt.

Like the line from the movie Damage, damaged people are dangerous, because they know they can survive.

 

[Imbackon]

Correct. To conclude the duct tape was the mechanism of death or the cause of death is speculation -- juries are not permitted to speculate.

A juror is not permitted to speculate on a matter about which insufficient evidence has been presented. But if I as a juror finds the evidence of duct tape being place multiple times over a child's mouth sufficient as to a cause of death, then so be it.

 

[seagull65]

I would add to the poll:
(f) based on the evidence released so far, I'm not sure if Casey was the murderer but can't rule her out yet either.

 

[seagull65]

And, then went out and rented flicks with her latest squeeze.

No remorse.

That's why sociopaths are dangerous They do not love, normally, and they do not feel guilt.

In that scenario, where's the proof it was Casey and not the squeeze who killed the child, then? Whoever killed Caylee is most likely a psychopath, I agree with you there. (The other possibilities I can imagine would be someone who is or was actually psychotic, or someone who was heavily substance impaired.)

 

[cecybeans]

In that scenario, where's the proof it was Casey and not the squeeze who killed the child, then? Whoever killed Caylee is most likely a psychopath, I agree with you there. (The other possibilities I can imagine would be someone who is or was actually psychotic, or someone who was heavily substance impaired.)

Then maybe you would care to speculate who might fit that description, based on the current evidence? I don't think LE has identified any persons of interest who appear to be psychotic, or "heavily substance impaired" at this point. And given the fact that the defense so far has simply mirrored the prosecution's witness list makes me think they don't have any real suspects themselves who would fit that bill.

I think that one of the most compelling pieces of evidence is that the defendant's own mother (who certainly knew her better than anyone else can claim to have known her) is on record several times as saying she suspected her daughter was a sociopath and warning her friends to be careful in their dealings with KC (regardless of how CA has backpedalled or denied that suspicion since the case broke). I mean, when your own mom thinks you are a sociopath and warns people you are a thief, it's pretty damning, IMO.

I just don't see the same sort of evidence pointing to anyone else as a potential SODDI suspect although people out there are certainly going to great lengths to make it seem as if it is a reasonable alternative.

 

[RR0004]

In that scenario, where's the proof it was Casey and not the squeeze who killed the child, then? Whoever killed Caylee is most likely a psychopath, I agree with you there. (The other possibilities I can imagine would be someone who is or was actually psychotic, or someone who was heavily substance impaired.)

Maybe my memory is failing, but there are no witnesses who have placed anyone with Caylee...none of TL's friends (not even those who lived with him). Unlike Casey, I'm sure he can account for his time. By Casey's own admission, she was the last one with Caylee...that is, of course, before she handed her over to the imaginary nanny. I don't think Casey would have kept quiet for one minute if it was TL, especially after he refused to talk to her. Let's not forget the text messages with her proclaiming she was the worst mother. I feel terribly sorry for TL. He didn't ask for this, but he sure as heck will have to live with this cr*p for a long time coming.

 

[Brini]

In that scenario, where's the proof it was Casey and not the squeeze who killed the child, then? Whoever killed Caylee is most likely a psychopath, I agree with you there. (The other possibilities I can imagine would be someone who is or was actually psychotic, or someone who was heavily substance impaired.)

The squeeze had no motive, method, or opportunity. LE interviewed him and scratched him off the list.

There's plenty of evidence against KC. Read the entire thread, and you'll see.

 

[Brini]

Maybe my memory is failing, but there are no witnesses who have placed anyone with Caylee...none of TL's friends (not even those who lived with him). Unlike Casey, I'm sure he can account for his time. By Casey's own admission, she was the last one with Caylee...that is, of course, before she handed her over to the imaginary nanny. I don't think Casey would have kept quiet for one minute if it was TL, especially after he refused to talk to her. Let's not forget the text messages with her proclaiming she was the worst mother. I feel terribly sorry for TL. He didn't ask for this, but he sure as heck will have to live with this cr*p for a long time coming.

TL learned that if it seems to good to be true, it prolly is.

KC cooked for him, cleaned for him, .........stole, killed.

 

[DotsEyes]

Didn't report her child missing for 31 days.

Guilty.

 

[yolorado]

Honey, you are gonna be AMAZED at the number of things that the jurors will be doing that you are saying they cannot do. ;-)

Agree. To argue that a jury somehow mustn't get this babe, can't evaluate the evidence, can't draw conclusions, can't understand her cubability from what was done and not done, from what SHE did and did not do, is absurd. To postulate that a jury somehow is prohibited BY THE LAW from translating the actions and inactions of this defendant into justice for a murdered child verges on contempt for the very laws being disected and bantied about. It's all well and good to pick apart this code and that bunch of legalese, but when the rubber meets the road on this one, I truly believe there will be only one route for the jury to take, and it will be down the river forever for this awful woman, this so-called mother. I could be wrong, but God help us, as a nation so fond of saying we have such a wonderful judicial system, if I am.

 

[Wudge]

A juror is not permitted to speculate on a matter about which insufficient evidence has been presented. But if I as a juror finds the evidence of duct tape being place multiple times over a child's mouth sufficient as to a cause of death, then so be it.

Jurors are not permitted to speculate, period.