GA GA - Amy Yates, 8, Carrollton, 26 April 2004

  • #21
I saw this on GMA this am, it made me think of Ted Bundy. Ann Rule believes his first kill may have been a little girl from his childhood neighborhood, she was never found. Bundy was asked about her and he would not comment. The girls family believe he killed her. Bundy was around 12 yrd old.
 
  • #22
...described the boy neighbors say is accused of killing Amy as a troubled child.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0404/28missing.html

Police say Amy was strangled, and a 12-year-old boy has been arrested for the crime. Although police wouldn't say anything about the boy, neighbors and Amy's father say he lived in the mobile home park.

Tom Yates said he had warned Amy not to play with the boy.

He and others portrayed the boy as a troubled youngster. Yates said he was among those who complained to the boy's parents about his behavior.


http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0404/28scene.html
 
  • #23
According to the CNN video, the police say he strangled her with his bare hands! That isn't easy to do for an adult male! Amy did not appear to be small for her age from her photographs. It takes a great deal of strength to strangle a person manually... and it takes some time too. If the girl had been a three-year-old it would have been easier to believe. I am surprised the boy did not stop once the girl passed out from lack of oxygen believing she was already dead. It's creepy. It's almost like he knew what he was doing or had done it before... maybe not to a human being, but to an animal?! No one seems to be mentioning sexual motivation, but perhaps they would not at this point even if they knew. The report did say that the families only lived a couple of houses apart. I wonder if both families have lived there for some time and if the kids grew up together.
 
  • #24
According to the CNN video, the police say he strangled her with his bare hands! That isn't easy to do for an adult male! Amy did not appear to be small for her age from her photographs. It takes a great deal of strength to strangle a person manually... and it takes some time too. If the girl had been a three-year-old it would have been easier to believe. I am surprised the boy did not stop once the girl passed out from lack of oxygen believing she was already dead. It's creepy. It's almost like he knew what he was doing or had done it before... maybe not to a human being, but to an animal?! No one seems to be mentioning sexual motivation, but perhaps they would not at this point even if they knew. The report did say that the families only lived a couple of houses apart. I wonder if both families have lived there for some time and if the kids grew up together.
 
  • #25
Babcat, I applaud your courage to point out these issues. I wonder how close to 13 he was his IQ, and his home environment.
 
  • #26
Babcat, I applaud your courage to point out these issues. I wonder how close to 13 he was his IQ, and his home environment.
 
  • #27
This reminds me of the murder of that little girl Maddie in Florida several years ago.
 
  • #28
This reminds me of the murder of that little girl Maddie in Florida several years ago.
 
  • #29
There's not much info out there on child sociopaths, but, if he did strangle her, then I would say that there isn't much "hope" for this little boy. (The serial killer Joubert (sp?) had a history of violence against other children/people at a very young age.) He's already passed the point of no return.

jmho, of course.
 
  • #30
There's not much info out there on child sociopaths, but, if he did strangle her, then I would say that there isn't much "hope" for this little boy. (The serial killer Joubert (sp?) had a history of violence against other children/people at a very young age.) He's already passed the point of no return.

jmho, of course.
 
  • #31
  • #32
I haven't read all the responses but when you get a kid who at 12 has been neglected, possibly abused, exposed to a lot of sexually explicit material, with no discussion or boundries set, add in puberty and the hormonal changes - YIKES!!
 
  • #33
I haven't read all the responses but when you get a kid who at 12 has been neglected, possibly abused, exposed to a lot of sexually explicit material, with no discussion or boundries set, add in puberty and the hormonal changes - YIKES!!
 
  • #34
LP Moderator said:
I hope they don't lock up this boy and throw away the key. He obviously is in need of some serious mental intervention.


Good Lord, I sure hope they DO lock him up and throw away the key!! any 12 yr old who can brutally murder an 8 yr old child is gonna be one helllofa serial killing adult. shudder :behindbar
 
  • #35
LP Moderator said:
I hope they don't lock up this boy and throw away the key. He obviously is in need of some serious mental intervention.


Good Lord, I sure hope they DO lock him up and throw away the key!! any 12 yr old who can brutally murder an 8 yr old child is gonna be one helllofa serial killing adult. shudder :behindbar
 
  • #36
  • #37
Sprocket,

You are right on the money. There isn't much hope for this child if this was an act without conscience, carried out deliberately and methodically. There is no cure for a sociopath, because the problem is not a psychiatric disease, such as schizophrenia. Sociopathology, (now commonly referred to as Anti-Social Personality Disorder) is just that... a personality disorder. The severity of it does not increase, but rather the "patient" simply gets "better" (craftier, sneakier etc.) at whatever it is he (much less often female) "does", as a result of having the disorder. Therapy rarely helps... and when it does, it is usually only because the "patient" is paranoid, and irrationally petrified of prison, or any lock down. Sometimes, they (sociopaths) do grow to be much more calm and less impulsive with maturity. This tends to make some believe they are "growing out of it"... especially girls.

Sprocket... I could tell you a ton of info about child sociopaths even though there is little about it on the web.

Mary Bell turned out to be a "somewhat normal" human being, with "somewhat normal" human emotional responses, when she grew to adulthood. She was released from custody at age 23. The vast majority of sociopaths (over 98%) do not show signs of improvement, but they are also men, and the hormone testosterone almost certainly plays a role.

Considering Mary's upbringing (before the murders of the two small boys)... and then adding in the terrible crime she admitted (to a point) to committing, one would have expected her to be destined to always be the ultimate "poster child" for making criminals more dangerous by sending them to prison. But Mary Bell was never really sent to an actual penitentiary. As far as I know, she has still not committed another offense... and she successfully raised a daughter of her own without abuse.

Puberty played no role in the crimes of Mary Bell... if we believe she was the sole murderess and aggressor. (I still have doubts that Mary's friend Norma was simply an "observer" and "follower", as she was portrayed during the trial.) Mary was only ten years old, and then turned eleven during the time period when the crimes occurred. Some girls can begin puberty at this age, but Mary clearly had not.
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  • #38
LP Moderator said:
I hope they don't lock up this boy and throw away the key. He obviously is in need of some serious mental intervention.

I beg to differ. This kid does need to be locked up with the key thrown away. I don't care how much counseling/therapy these young perpetrators get when having committed such a horrible crime. There's no turning back. My daughter was molested by a 12 year old when she was 5. Thank GOD she is still with me. The deviant juvenile was ordered to go on probation for one year and attend therapy sessions. I pleaded with the judge to send him to juvenile detention center but she didn't want to hear it. It's been 3 years since this happened. I keep tabs on him believe me you. He's been in constant trouble in school and with the police. I just recently learned he was suspended from school for carrying a knife. His parents think this kid could do no wrong. It makes me ill. One day this kid is going to kill someone. I just know it.
 
  • #39
LP Moderator said:
I hope they don't lock up this boy and throw away the key. He obviously is in need of some serious mental intervention.

I beg to differ. This kid does need to be locked up with the key thrown away. I don't care how much counseling/therapy these young perpetrators get when having committed such a horrible crime. There's no turning back. My daughter was molested by a 12 year old when she was 5. Thank GOD she is still with me. The deviant juvenile was ordered to go on probation for one year and attend therapy sessions. I pleaded with the judge to send him to juvenile detention center but she didn't want to hear it. It's been 3 years since this happened. I keep tabs on him believe me you. He's been in constant trouble in school and with the police. I just recently learned he was suspended from school for carrying a knife. His parents think this kid could do no wrong. It makes me ill. One day this kid is going to kill someone. I just know it.
 
  • #40
Did you guys feel the same about Lionel Tate? He is now out, on house arrest.
 

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