GA - Bobbi Kristina Brown found unresponsive in bathtub.

[gracehatter]

Agreed, it is common knowledge that there is no love lost b/t PH and NG but PH is the executor of the estate and nothing else...remember BK has been at odds with PH for months now.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Agreed, it is common knowledge that there is no love lost b/t PH and NG but PH is the executor of the estate and nothing else...remember BK has been at odds with PH for months now.

Agreed the clear decision maker here is her husband and if not legally married, her dad. (Unless she has legal documents spelling out who she wants to make decisions for her).

 

[SStarr33]

Does her husband have a job?

 

[nrdsb4]

nrdsb4 - The "no movemenet" criteria refers to purposeful movement. Totally areflexic - lac of purposeful movement. One of the neurologists at the hospital where I worked would pinch nipples - male or female - to see if this elicited any reflexic movement. (Always made me cringe) If refelxes are present it is a sign that the lower brain - the brain stem - is still functioning, and therefore the patient would not be brain dead. The brain stem functioning but higher brain function being absent is what causes a persistent vegetative state, as opposed to total brain death.

If I'm not mistaken, the nipple pinching thing is no longer considered appropriate in any setting in the US. It's kind of hard to believe it was ever considered so.

The purposeful movement thing is certainly appropriate, but that source didn't make that distinction, so I was curious.

 

[Hiandmighty]

This report has a quote that is said to confirm she was moved to an Atlanta hospital:
http://touch.theybf.com/all/2015-02-02-bobbi-kristina-update-bobby-brown-moves-bobbi-kris-to-new-hospital-requests-privacy-to#2

 

[Donjeta]

Would there be a reason to wait several days to take someone off the ventilator? I understand that some people would want to wait for a miracle, but is there a medical reason to do so?

I think it would take longer to reach a decision if she's not completely brain dead or if they haven't been able to test for brain death yet (eg. if the tox screens haven't come through yet and they need to rule out drugs and chemicals that might depress brain function).

Sources connected to the Houston family tell TMZ ... doctors were testing BK's brain reaction to different stimuli, and saw "minimal response" during one of the tests. We're told doctors view this as a very slight improvement -- but it's enough to delay any immediate discussion of turning off life support.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/02/bobbi-kristina-life-support-family-gathers-hospital/#ixzz3QcNDcL1v

 

[Kateyes]

If I'm not mistaken, the nipple pinching thing is no longer considered appropriate in any setting in the US. It's kind of hard to believe it was ever considered so.

The purposeful movement thing is certainly appropriate, but that source didn't make that distinction, so I was curious.

Yes, it was some time ago, and as a nurse I cringed at the nipple pinching as there are other ways to measure reflexes. I thought the physician was, well, never mind, but you are right. I forgot to address that all sedatives, or other drugs that may be used to decrease metabolic demands, would be discontinued for at least an hour, most likely more,in order to adequately assess the patient. Of course the most glaring documentation is the flat EEG. I never saw anyone removed from a ventilator without 3 days of the same results - all of which matched the Harvard Criteria. I have not worked in ICU for some years now, so I don't know if there have been additional criteria added, or if the protocols have changed in any way. The Harvard Criteria was actually very thorough, IMO.

 

[leah]

I'm listening to CNN and it was said, the two are supposedly not legally married, so some say they are, some say they aren't.

 

[Hiandmighty]

ACK: TMZ is now reporting that she is doing "significantly better" : http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/02/bobbi-kristina-update-doing-better-brain-damage-bathtub/

Which translates--- they could be looking at a persistent vegetative state...

 

[Elley Mae]

I wondered if maybe organ donation was maybe being worked on if the family agrees to that, could be why the delay. jmo idk

 

[kato]

PVS is no kind of life. IMO

 

[Really?]

I just watched 5 episodes of "Houstons On Our Own".....jeez....they harped all over the couple. Trying to keep them separated all the time. He seemed to be a rock for her as they both lived with Witney.

Sad Sad Sad

 

[leah]

ACK: TMZ is now reporting that she is doing "significantly better" : http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/02/bobbi-kristina-update-doing-better-brain-damage-bathtub/

Which translates--- they could be looking at a persistent vegetative state...

I read this, but what exactly the kind of life, would she be living?

 

[leah]

I had read that Bobbi's husband doesn't have a job, but again, who knows? How old is he, he seems a lot older, but I'm not good at guessing ages.

 

[LaborDayRN]

I still don't know how a person ends up " face down" in a bathtub. Even a larger tub....how?

on a side note.....I just got rid of my tub for a walk-in shower.

BBM: When I first read about Bobbi Kristina, these were my thoughts exactly! Who takes a bath lying on their stomach?
My first thoughts were that this was A: attempted suicide or B: she was held underwater. MOO

 

[Elley Mae]

Does her husband have a job?

a partner in a tech company

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/whitney-houstons-secret-son-nick-gordon/story?id=15857541
March 9, 2012

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I read that Bobby Brown and Nick Gordon were both by her bedside and the ones making the decisions this morning, I'll try to find the link, that seemed appropriate for me, I very much dislike the entire Houston family after watching that god-awful reality TV show.

Gordon, 25, and Bobbi Kristina's father, who are both at her side in an Atlanta area hospital, have been told to prepare for the worst, according to CBS46.
....

The family has remained tight-lipped about the cause of the emergency and her condition. On Saturday, her husband Nick Gordon was pictured looking anxious outside the emergency ward at North Fulton Hospital, with his hood up and a phone in his hand.

He was joined at the hospital by Bobbi's father Bobby Brown and family friend Tyler Perry, among others,TMZ reported.
....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...father-Bobby-family-lead-prayers-bedside.html

 

[leah]

a partner in a tech company

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/whitney-houstons-secret-son-nick-gordon/story?id=15857541
March 9, 2012

It's amazing how the information about this family is all over the place. In this article, it shows a picture of a man who was in the house when this tragedy was occurring. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...father-Bobby-family-lead-prayers-bedside.html

 

[Elley Mae]

I had read that Bobbi's husband doesn't have a job, but again, who knows? How old is he, he seems a lot older, but I'm not good at guessing ages.

The nature of the relationship between Gordon, 23, and the 19-year-old Brown, and whether it has evolved from a brother-sister bond to something more, has been questioned since the February 11 death of Houston at the age of 48.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/enterta...adopted-son-of-whitney-houston-found-wrecked/

 

[MsFacetious]

If two family members have a restraining order prohibiting contact with each other... can they both be at the hospital?
Perhaps Nick comes out so family he isn't permitted around can go in to see her?