GUILTY GA - Bryan Mough, 21, shot to death, Bogart, 25 Feb 2008

[NewMommy09]

Right!! The guy drove by... Big deal. He didn't drive into the driveway or threaten anyone. Annoying or not, it's a public road and he had the right to drive up and down as many times as he wanted. If dad and daughters were so worried, they should have goen into their house (far from the "suspect") and called LE.

So stalking is not illegal?

 

[Brefie]

So stalking is not illegal?

Since when is driving by a house TWO TIMES stalking??

 

[NewMommy09]

I am sorry if it seemed I was jumping down your throat....I get a little excited but it's never anything personal.

HOWEVER (you were expecting 'but', right?? lol), we can not go around toting guns and getting all trigger happy with someone when we don't know the first thing about them. I don't know why we are pointing guns at someone who has yet to do or say anything wrong. Jesus, is this what we want our kids to see while they are playing in the front yard?? How do you explain that?? "Well, honey, he did drive by twice, he had it coming."

No personal offense taken, I just have a different take on the situation than alot of the posters on this thread, I guess. Once again, I am NOT saying this guy deserved to be shot, or that the shooter shouldn't face charges, he made a decision and should deal with the consequences. I'm just saying that for him, maybe facing charges and prison time, was a better decision than letting something happen to his daughters.

Has anyone even considered that maybe this guy was after the girls from the get-go, and maybe HE rammed THEIR vehicle to try to get them to pull over? It's happened many times before. Women have been raped by men posing as police officers pulling them over, men will cause accidents to get the woman to pull over, and then abduct, kill or rape them. I agree that brandishing a weapon everytime there is a minor dispute is a bad idea and would definitely cause more problems. But we live in a crazy world and you never know what someone is going to do. So YES, if someone followed me home like that, I would assume my life was in danger and I would do whatever it took to protect myself. You CAN NOT just assume that someone like that is not going to hurt you.

 

[NewMommy09]

Since when is driving by a house TWO TIMES stalking??

Yes, actually these girls could very well have classified that to police as this man was stalking them. Don't forget, he FOLLOWED them home first. It's not like this was just some guy driving up an down the street.

stalking

stalk·ing [ stáwking ]

noun Definition: 1. stealthy pursuit: the act or process of stealthily following or trying to approach somebody or something

2. act of steady harassment: the crime of harassing somebody with persistent, inappropriate, and unwanted attention

 

[Brefie]

Sorry, Still, totally disagree. Especially this part:

Has anyone even considered that maybe this guy was after the girls from the get-go, and maybe HE rammed THEIR vehicle to try to get them to pull over?

There are two maybe questions in this part alone that can NEVER be answered because this guy lost his LIFE.

And this:

You CAN NOT just assume that someone like that is not going to hurt you

Nobody is suggesting you don't protect yourself. CALL THE POLICE!! He SHOT AND KILLED a guy who rode by his house twice.

Since when do we shoot first then ask questions later? This is EXACTLY what happened here.

 

[Brefie]

Yes, actually these girls could very well have classified that to police as this man was stalking them. Don't forget, he FOLLOWED them home first. It's not like this was just some guy driving up an down the street.

stalking

stalk·ing [ stáwking ]

noun Definition: 1. stealthy pursuit: the act or process of stealthily following or trying to approach somebody or something

2. act of steady harassment: the crime of harassing somebody with persistent, inappropriate, and unwanted attention

There is no amount of dictionary definitions that convince me this man was stalking those girls. Let's not forget there was a collision and we only have the girls word that he hit them.

 

[NewMommy09]

Sorry, Still, totally disagree. Especially this part:

There are two maybe questions in this part alone that can NEVER be answered because this guy lost his LIFE.

And this:


Nobody is suggesting you don't protect yourself. CALL THE POLICE!! He SHOT AND KILLED a guy who rode by his house twice.

Since when do we shoot first then ask questions later? This is EXACTLY what happened here.

Are there witnesses to confirm that no words were exchanged and that the father had NO IDEA what was going on? Or is that yet another unanswerable question?

 

[NewMommy09]

There is no amount of dictionary definitions that convince me this man was stalking those girls. Let's not forget there was a collision and we only have the girls word that he hit them.

If he wasn't stalking them, what was he doing in that neighborhood? Visiting a friend? Whether he had ill intent towards the girls or not, by any definition, yes, he was stalking them.

 

[Brefie]

If he wasn't stalking them, what was he doing in that neighborhood? Visiting a friend? Whether he had ill intent towards the girls or not, by any definition, yes, he was stalking them.

Like I said, perhaps their car STRUCK him. The FACT is they were safe and at home and he is DEAD.

 

[Brefie]

Are there witnesses to confirm that no words were exchanged and that the father had NO IDEA what was going on? Or is that yet another unanswerable question?

It's completely besides the point. This guy was shot in the back.

 

[Eire]

The girls called their dad from a cell-phone while he was following them, no? They could have just as easily gotten off the phone with dad and called the police. Or, dad could have reached for his phone instead of his gun. I'm all for protecting my kids, I'll go all feral lioness on anyone who tries to hurt my kids, but this guy didn't try to hurt the girls and from what I read, there was no indication he was going to. If they were that spooked, somebody should have called 911. I understand completely being afraid that somebody might do you harm, but this young man lost his life for driving down their street twice. We have police to deal with incidents like that. Even if it was road-rage gone too far, that's not a DP offense. Even if the motorcyclist rammed their car (highly unlikely to me seeing as a bike is not the ideal vehicle in which to do that), that's not a DP offense either. I don't recall reading that the young man was armed. How was this self defense again?

 

[NewMommy09]

Like I said, perhaps their car STRUCK him. The FACT is they were safe and at home and he is DEAD.

Saying they were safe at home is only an assumption, NOT FACT. We have no idea what this man planned to do to those girls.

 

[NewMommy09]

Everyone keeps saying that the girls should have called police if they were scared, but nobody is admitting that this guy should have done the same thing when/IF they hit his car rather than following them home and scaring the crap out of them. Then the WHOLE situation would have been avoided. Or if the girls hit him, they should not have taken off if that was the case. And I will say it one more time.

I'M NOT SAYING THIS GUY DESERVED TO BE SHOT, BUT YES, HE WAS IN THE WRONG FOR FOLLOWING THESE GIRLS HOME. EVERYONE IS GETTING UPSET THAT THE FATHER TOOK THE LAW INTO HIS OWN HANDS, BUT ISN'T THAT EXACTLY WHAT THE MOTORCYCLE GUY DID???? THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE GUY IS DEAD, AND THE GIRLS ARE NOT, BUT COULD IT NOT HAVE JUST AS EASILY BEEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND???

 

[Brefie]

Everyone keeps saying that the girls should have called police if they were scared, but nobody is admitting that this guy should have done the same thing when/IF they hit his car rather than following them home and scaring the crap out of them. Then the WHOLE situation would have been avoided. Or if the girls hit him, they should not have taken off if that was the case. And I will say it one more time.

I'M NOT SAYING THIS GUY DESERVED TO BE SHOT, BUT YES, HE WAS IN THE WRONG FOR FOLLOWING THESE GIRLS HOME. EVERYONE IS GETTING UPSET THAT THE FATHER TOOK THE LAW INTO HIS OWN HANDS, BUT ISN'T THAT EXACTLY WHAT THE MOTORCYCLE GUY DID???? THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE GUY IS DEAD, AND THE GIRLS ARE NOT, BUT COULD IT NOT HAVE JUST AS EASILY BEEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND???

We don't know.

 

[NewMommy09]

We don't know.

He did take the law into his own hands by following the girls home instead of calling police, just as the father did by shooting the guy instead of calling police. Yes, one has a much more permanent repercussion than the other, but neither one was right. Basically this situation could have gone any number of ways.

Anyway, I feel like it's becoming an argument and I don't want to argue about it anymore. So can we all just agree to disagree? I agree with many of the points made on this thread, I just refuse to condemn the father for doing what he thought he needed to do to protect his daughters. He will have to pay for killing this man, I don't feel I need to thrash him as well.

 

[Brefie]

Anyway, I feel like it's becoming an argument and I don't want to argue about it anymore. So can we all just agree to disagree?

Awww, no arguing, just debating. But, sure

 

[STEADFAST]

I just refuse to condemn the father for doing what he thought he needed to do to protect his daughters. He will have to pay for killing this man, I don't feel I need to thrash him as well.

I hope a jury condemns him, though. He shot a young man in the back for very little provocation. Allegedly, it's not the first time he's shot at young people, either. He's a violent crackpot and needs to be locked up.

I would not be surprised if the victim had followed the girls home in order to speak to their parents about their road behavior. He probably had second thoughts when he saw their father in the driveway brandishing a gun. Then as he drives away in the direction he came from, the father shoots him in the back anyway.

 

[Brefie]

I would not be surprised if the victim had followed the girls home in order to speak to their parents about their road behavior. He probably had second thoughts when he saw their father in the driveway brandishing a gun. Then as he drives away in the direction he came from, the father shoots him in the back anyway.

Bolded is what I am considering also.

 

[less0305]

Well, being a motorcyclist and being around motorcyclist all the time - I don't know a single person on a motorcycle that would "ram" a car!!!! Who is going to lose in that battle??!!! That's like going to a gun fight with a knife. Give me a break - yeah, that motorcyclist was after those girls, mad at them, and rammed their car in retaliation, pluuuuleeezzzz. Nobody on a motorcycle would intentionally ram a car - they'd end up on the pavement head first and dead. I'm 99.99999999% sure those girls cut him off and it was an accident pure and simple - either they didn't see him or they didn't respect the fact that he was on a motorcycle OR he accidently hit their car. But nobody can make me believe he rammed their car in some sort of road rage over them gesturing to him. That's suicide for the motorcyclist.

And anyone standing at the END of their driveway with a gun shooting at a passing motorist in the street has a few too many screws loose, if you ask me, regardless. If his precious girls made it home, then he should have locked the doors and called the police. Self-defense my azzzzzz.

 

[Paladin]

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE GUY IS DEAD, AND THE GIRLS ARE NOT, BUT COULD IT NOT HAVE JUST AS EASILY BEEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND???

We'll never know, and that's exactly why it isn't an argument to be used in defense of the man who shot him.