GUILTY GA - Bryan Mough, 21, shot to death, Bogart, 25 Feb 2008

[LinasK]

You can't shoot people for what you think they MIGHT do. It's not a justification.

The father got trigger-happy in the process of protecting his daughters. Maybe it was fear on his part. I don't see a basis for pre-meditation on his part.

 

[crypto6]

Thank you Crypto6, I think your words explained what I was trying to say much better than I was able to. I feel like everyone is not even really reading my posts before they jump on me for my opinions. I have said in almost every post that I don't agree this guy was shot, I just think there are underlying factors here that nobody wants to pay attention to. And as posters on a board like websleuths, I would think that there would be more understanding of how crazy this world is and that things aren't always black and white. Unfortunately, we only have some of the details here.

As for the motorcycle hitting the car on purpose, stranger things have happened. It was a simple theory of possibility that is justifiable (whether likely or not) until we have details that state otherwise. Even if he didn't hit the car on purpose, we have no fact or proof yet, that he didn't hit the girls. And while all of you are defending motorcyclists, don't forget that they also cause accidents, cut people off, drive where they shouldn't be driving, and go above the speed limit, just like drivers of cars.

I thought that was what you were saying: Don't condone it, but is there any way it could be justified, more as a mental exercise than defending anyone.

I can't imagine any way I could morally justify myself shooting someone in these circumstances, given the known facts; the motorcycle riders on the board have made it clear that they don't use bumping as a tactic to express road rage or pick up chicks, unless they want the pity from being catapulted over a car. And the dad didn't even wait to see if the rider was aggressive, and no one's aound to tell the rider's side of the story.

However, I'll be very interested in how this plays out, because all the info is not out, and fear for loved ones lives can be a powerful defense legally.

Crypto6

 

[White Rain]

Uhh, this is a suburb of Athens. (UGA) It's not exactly rural.

Having lived in "rural" Georgia all of my life, I can say that this isn't exactly typical. (which is why it's made national news)

Hey Karole, what part of GA are you from? I just moved from Winder (near Athens) to Monroe (also near Athens.)

 

[MeoW333]

I wonder if when the girls called their dad, was he picturing some older biker type man following them on a Harley, as opposed to the young man? Also are helmets required by law in GA? I know it varies from state to state.
If these girls were so concerned about Mough following them, then common sense would be to drive straight to the police station, so that the person following does not know where you really live. They should have called police instead of their dad if they were so concerned. It was like luring home the bait for pa to shoot.

 

[MeoW333]

I think he was tailing them and they stopped short in the car causing him to bump into them, that's what the damage was to the vehicles.

 

[KatK]

I think he was tailing them and they stopped short in the car causing him to bump into them, that's what the damage was to the vehicles.

I believe it said the door of the vehicle was damaged though. So, your theory wouldn't work. That's more of a "someone cut someone off" scenario.

 

[White Rain]

I wonder if when the girls called their dad, was he picturing some older biker type man following them on a Harley, as opposed to the young man? Also are helmets required by law in GA? I know it varies from state to state.
If these girls were so concerned about Mough following them, then common sense would be to drive straight to the police station, so that the person following does not know where you really live. They should have called police instead of their dad if they were so concerned. It was like luring home the bait for pa to shoot.

Yes helmets are a law in GA.

 

[BhamMama]

I believe it said the door of the vehicle was damaged though. So, your theory wouldn't work. That's more of a "someone cut someone off" scenario.

I think they pulled out in front of him.

Before the city came through and cut the growth back on the sides of the streets here a car edged out onto the main road, right in the path of a motorcycle. The man in the car said he just didn't see him.

Thankfully no one was injured and neither was going fast enough to do very much damage. They were also responsible and waited for the police to arrive.

I can see two young girls doing this, panicking and leaving the scene. Rather than lose their car, or to not be in any trouble at all, they blamed the guy. Guess they didn't think the guy would follow them.

Papa seems to be the type that thinks his kids are perfect. Wild dogs act like he did when their pups are in trouble. Difference being, the man is suppose to use his brain and self control.

Or if it happened that the guy was the reason for the accident, still doesn't mean he should have died for it. Maybe he wanted their info so things would be done legally.

I'm very interested to find out if there were any witnesses to the impact and if words were exchanged at all. I'm sure the girls will spin it and daddy has already spun things to his way of thinking. I just don't see how shooting someone in the back is defense. That sounds like anger and someone who's out of control.

 

[KarlK]

I don't see a basis for pre-meditation on his part.

Indeed it's a textbook case of second-degree murder since it would be hard to prove that he had decided to kill the guy beforehand right after learning he was following the car. He might still be charged with first-degree murder initially however.

 

[MeoW333]

I'm trying to picture how the vehicles collided at one point without the motorcyclist being knocked over; they must have been going slow enough or he had good instincts to keep that bike upright.
I am wondering what exactly the girls told their dad on the phone. He sounds like a loose cannon, having shot at kids before.
So since helmets are mandatory in GA, Mough probably had on a full face helmet if he was riding a crotch rocket (Kawasaki Ninja style bike) (those are the bikes the younger people like). So it would explain why he turned around to look at the house again and then turned his head to try and probably memorize the house # for insurance purposes.
This whole case is a mess that could have been prevented.

 

[jannuncutt]

I think they pulled out in front of him.


Thankfully no one was injured and neither was going fast enough to do very much damage. They were also responsible and waited for the police to arrive.

IMO, it would have been better if someone had been injured at the scene of the accident.

 

[BhamMama]

injured[/i] at the scene of the accident.

In this case, I totally agree. Would have saved a life maybe.

 

[bnhall]

If the cars did collide, then an exchange of insurance info was necessary. Too bad Mough didn't call the police to let them know there had been an accident.

I hope the shooter goes to prison for this. There was no reason to shoot anyone. He sounds completely unstable.

 

[Karole28]

Hey Karole, what part of GA are you from? I just moved from Winder (near Athens) to Monroe (also near Athens.)

Oh wow. I'm VERY near you. I was in Winder last week running errands.

I'm between Winder and Braselton, up 53. Born and raised. How cool, we're neighbors!

 

[KarlK]

He sounds completely unstable.

To say the least.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I think they pulled out in front of him.

Before the city came through and cut the growth back on the sides of the streets here a car edged out onto the main road, right in the path of a motorcycle. The man in the car said he just didn't see him.

Thankfully no one was injured and neither was going fast enough to do very much damage. They were also responsible and waited for the police to arrive.

I can see two young girls doing this, panicking and leaving the scene. Rather than lose their car, or to not be in any trouble at all, they blamed the guy. Guess they didn't think the guy would follow them.

Papa seems to be the type that thinks his kids are perfect. Wild dogs act like he did when their pups are in trouble. Difference being, the man is suppose to use his brain and self control.

Or if it happened that the guy was the reason for the accident, still doesn't mean he should have died for it. Maybe he wanted their info so things would be done legally.

I'm very interested to find out if there were any witnesses to the impact and if words were exchanged at all. I'm sure the girls will spin it and daddy has already spun things to his way of thinking. I just don't see how shooting someone in the back is defense. That sounds like anger and someone who's out of control.

It worked for Mary Winkler!

 

[White Rain]

Oh wow. I'm VERY near you. I was in Winder last week running errands.

I'm between Winder and Braselton, up 53. Born and raised. How cool, we're neighbors!

:blowkiss: Hi neighbor!

 

[kgeaux]

You got that right luthersmama!
The dad was pissed off at someone and decided to take it out on the biker. Shooting someone in the back in certain states is considered first degree murder and the sentence can be life without parole.

Yep. It's not the first time "dear old dad" has pulled his gun out and shot at young people.

You know what my theory is? The girls cut off the motorcycle. There was a collision, and when the motorcyclist protested, the girls "made obcene" gestures (by their own admittance) and took off. He follows, and they call daddy....."somebody is following us!!!!" (Notice they leave out the part about there having been a collision and it is documented that there was contact between the vehicles."

These girls KNOW their daddy. They know he'll get all hot-headed and stupid. They know he'll be waiting in the driveway, and they probably have a very good idea he'll be brandishing a gun, because he's done it before.

They think scary old dad is going to make the motorcyclist flee and they won't be charged with hit and run, road rage and whatever other charges police could have charged them for.

I HOPE they didn't know that their very stupid father would actually shoot this young man in the back. But I think they could reasonably be expected to know shots WOULD be fired, because dear old dad has an itchy trigger finger.

I really wish there was something these two girls could be charged with.

I'm trying to picture how the vehicles collided at one point without the motorcyclist being knocked over; they must have been going slow enough or he had good instincts to keep that bike upright.
I am wondering what exactly the girls told their dad on the phone. He sounds like a loose cannon, having shot at kids before.
So since helmets are mandatory in GA, Mough probably had on a full face helmet if he was riding a crotch rocket (Kawasaki Ninja style bike) (those are the bikes the younger people like). So it would explain why he turned around to look at the house again and then turned his head to try and probably memorize the house # for insurance purposes.
This whole case is a mess that could have been prevented.

We do not know that the motorbike did not go over.

 

[KarlK]

I really wish there was something these two girls could be charged with.

Negligent use of an explosive device (their daddy) perhaps?

 

[Floh]

Yep. It's not the first time "dear old dad" has pulled his gun out and shot at young people.

You know what my theory is? The girls cut off the motorcycle. There was a collision, and when the motorcyclist protested, the girls "made obcene" gestures (by their own admittance) and took off. He follows, and they call daddy....."somebody is following us!!!!" (Notice they leave out the part about there having been a collision and it is documented that there was contact between the vehicles."

These girls KNOW their daddy. They know he'll get all hot-headed and stupid. They know he'll be waiting in the driveway, and they probably have a very good idea he'll be brandishing a gun, because he's done it before.

They think scary old dad is going to make the motorcyclist flee and they won't be charged with hit and run, road rage and whatever other charges police could have charged them for.

I HOPE they didn't know that their very stupid father would actually shoot this young man in the back. But I think they could reasonably be expected to know shots WOULD be fired, because dear old dad has an itchy trigger finger.

I really wish there was something these two girls could be charged with.





We do not know that the motorbike did not go over.

When he goes to prison, i wonder what family wealth the daughters would expect to inherit? they have got dad out of the way, haven't they?