GUILTY GA - Eight family members brutally murdered in Brunswick home, 29 Aug 2009

[oceanblueeyes]

Daily morning round-up:
http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/open_access/local_news/MURDER-060509-KK

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=144502&catid=3

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/09/05/general-us-mobile-home-slayings_6853146.html

**All of these include various and a variety of pictures from the funeral**

Thank you for the links.

This part I don't quite understand.

He said police are charging his brother with the murders because he made the 911 call and his story didn't add up.

"During the lost time they can't account for him, he was out doing something he wasn't supposed to be doing," he said.

Tyler Heinze said he saw his brother at 5:40 a.m. Aug. 29, less than three hours before Heinze Jr. made the 911 call to say he had found the bodies inside a trailer at Lot 147. Tyler Heinze said his brother's behavior was not suspicious.

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So is he admitting that his brother's story did not add up.

This teenager is 16 years old, right? So where was he when he was with his brother at 5:40 am in the morning?

So there seems to be a missing window of time that he cannot verify his whereabouts? It certainly was ample time for him to have committed these acts though.

imo

 

[sigsky]

At some point won't the murder arrest warrant be made public? Also at some point I think there will be a Grand Jury indictment which should give us some more information.

 

[Coley]

More on a shot guns:

Now even on a full magazine shot gun then shooting it 9 times would require a reload. Now in committing this crime why would 1 person stop to reload which would take someone who was very experienced with this process would take them 30 sec to a min which would take this crime AT LEAST 2 to 3 min. In this time with the windows open someone would hear this. This is if each person was just shot once.

ETA: Most hunting shot guns hold 3 rounds. So if this was one it would take 3 reloads. Now the one I have holds 5.

 

[Coley]

Thank you for the links.

This part I don't quite understand.

He said police are charging his brother with the murders because he made the 911 call and his story didn't add up.

"During the lost time they can't account for him, he was out doing something he wasn't supposed to be doing," he said.

Tyler Heinze said he saw his brother at 5:40 a.m. Aug. 29, less than three hours before Heinze Jr. made the 911 call to say he had found the bodies inside a trailer at Lot 147. Tyler Heinze said his brother's behavior was not suspicious.

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So is he admitting that his brother's story did not add up.

This teenager is 16 years old, right? So where was he when he was with his brother at 5:40 am in the morning?

So there seems to be a missing window of time that he cannot verify his whereabouts? It certainly was ample time for him to have committed these acts though.

imo

From what I recall they were at the house that Tyler moved to before the killings, his stepfathers.

 

[Missy70Texas]

Thank you for the links.

This part I don't quite understand.

He said police are charging his brother with the murders because he made the 911 call and his story didn't add up.

"During the lost time they can't account for him, he was out doing something he wasn't supposed to be doing," he said.

Tyler Heinze said he saw his brother at 5:40 a.m. Aug. 29, less than three hours before Heinze Jr. made the 911 call to say he had found the bodies inside a trailer at Lot 147. Tyler Heinze said his brother's behavior was not suspicious.

***********
So is he admitting that his brother's story did not add up.

This teenager is 16 years old, right? So where was he when he was with his brother at 5:40 am in the morning?

So there seems to be a missing window of time that he cannot verify his whereabouts? It certainly was ample time for him to have committed these acts though.

imo

OBC you answered one of my questions that I was just pondering on, the time he left the brothers home. The coroner said they had been dead 8 to 12 hours so the 5:40 am time fits. The murders took place between 12am and 8am when the call was made apparently. I am sitting on the fence on this one getting more and more confused. What was the caliber of the rifle found ?? I understand that a 22 caliber would not have been loud, more like a popping sound but could still do major damage. So many questions???

 

[Coley]

OBC you answered one of my questions that I was just pondering on, the time he left the brothers home. The coroner said they had been dead 8 to 12 hours so the 5:40 am time fits. The murders took place between 12am and 8am when the call was made apparently. I am sitting on the fence on this one getting more and more confused. What was the caliber of the rifle found ?? I understand that a 22 caliber would not have been loud, more like a popping sound but could still do major damage. So many questions???

8-12 hours prior to a 8 am 911 call would be 8PM to 12AM. Rifle's and Shot gun's are 2 different guns. Shot guns are a blast and a rifle more of a sharp piercing.

 

[Coley]

http://science.howstuffworks.com/shotgun8.htm

 

[Caliborn]

From what I have heard from being here in the same town is that the 2 that originally survived where not shot with a shot gun...

 

[Caliborn]

LE are looking for something between New hope and Darien,

 

[TXGal]

From what I have heard from being here in the same town is that the 2 that originally survived where not shot with a shot gun...

I would be surprised if a gun was used at all. Probably something that was much quieter but still lethal. Maybe that object has been recovered.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

At some point won't the murder arrest warrant be made public? Also at some point I think there will be a Grand Jury indictment which should give us some more information.

That will be up to a Judge. He may release the search warrant which will explain what they thought they would find but may not unseal the officer's sworn affidavit that accompanies it which is always much more in depth and telling.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

8-12 hours prior to a 8 am 911 call would be 8PM to 12AM. Rifle's and Shot gun's are 2 different guns. Shot guns are a blast and a rifle more of a sharp piercing.

I took it to mean it could have happened anytime between an 8 hour and 12 hour time span.

It doesn't really make sense that these crimes had happened that long yet two of the gravely wounded victims held on for that long with out medical care. LE may have a witness(s) that saw one or more of the victims alive at a certain time and that is the timeline they are going by. When they knew they were living and when Jr. had the maintenance guy call 911.

I don't think the weapon used was a shotgun. I don't think he would have left that in the trunk of his car if so and a close up shot with a shotgun would be almost mean immediately death imo or shortly thereafter as it explodes the skull when the pellets hit it. And we know that it was reported that Michael died from being shot. It could have been a handgun. On that part we will just have to see if that comes to light.

I am not really all that concerned that the gunshots weren't heard. During reading and researching many cases over the decades it is not uncommon to not hear gun shots even when fired right next door to someone. A rifle inside of a closed up home would be muffled plus just because this family may not have had an a/c on it doesn't mean the rest of the trailer park didn't have theirs going full blast.

 

[Soulmagent]

I took it to mean they had been dead no less and 8 hours and no more then 12 hours. So if he came in a 8 am and found them dead the time of death is somewhere inbetween 8 pm and 12 am . So 8 at the earliest and 12 at the latest. Also there are two pictures that show how close the mobile homes are I do not see how no one heard at least 9 gunshots between those hours in a trailer park No matter what kinda gun . The woman on the second 911 call could hear Guy jr screaming at 8 in the morning and per the 911 call she is on the corner. She says she hears him screaming. I also think if Guy had done this ,the stolen shot gun would have been gone right after the shootings ,as he had 8 to 12 hours to think about getting rid of things like drugs and legal guns and pills in ones astray... If you KNOW the police or coming and you are REGULARLY commiting criminal offences then you would have to know they would search your car as it is a murder scene. But if you come home and find your family dead ,call 911 then remember about the gun you stole from jimmy after he took it from sam when they robbed the fas mart or what ever and decided to take it out of the house as it is not important to the murder scene anyway and put it in you car because you dont even consider they will look in your car because you didnt do it. or maybe he had it in his mind to take that gun and shot someone he thought did it.

 

[va2pcfl]

According to the US Dept. of Justice:

For murder victims, 43% were related to or acquainted with their assailants; 14% of victims were murdered by strangers, while 43% of victims had an unknown relationship to their murderer in 2002.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_c.htm

 

[va2pcfl]

I'm sorry but none of this is sitting well with me even more after watching this. Tyler raises some good points. I have hardly no doubt that Guy Jr. will be not convicted of this heinous crime if it even gets to that point without them releasing him 1st. With no disrespect to MD I know plenty of small town LE chiefs that pull this of arresting someone to try and prove a point to the real criminals as I have been one of those people who was trying to serve as a scapegoat and to scare the real criminals.

I agree. I will need much more proof aside from the Police Chief stating, “I can assure you that this person is responsible." Times-Union I am pro death penalty. But I firmly believe innocent until proven guilty.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

I don't know the whole story and haven't had time to read up on all the latest stories.
So until i catch up, I will tell you what I thought from the beginning of all of this.
I think he did do it. I think this young man was on crystal meth and strung out ... maybe he needed money or something triggered him and then he just lost it, shooting everyone in the trailer. He probably assumed everyone was dead, so he then cleaned himself up and went to hang with his brother, giving himself an alibi. Came home in the morning to report the deaths and realized after he was on the phone that two of them were still moving. I don't think he intended on anyone surviving this, although I do think his grief and remorse is genuine. I think this happened in a fit of rage due to drugs.

I could be waaaay off, but that was my gut feeling from the beginning.
I am off to catch up on all the recent articles.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I took it to mean they had been dead no less and 8 hours and no more then 12 hours. So if he came in a 8 am and found them dead the time of death is somewhere inbetween 8 pm and 12 am . So 8 at the earliest and 12 at the latest. Also there are two pictures that show how close the mobile homes are I do not see how no one heard at least 9 gunshots between those hours in a trailer park No matter what kinda gun . The woman on the second 911 call could hear Guy jr screaming at 8 in the morning and per the 911 call she is on the corner. She says she hears him screaming. I also think if Guy had done this ,the stolen shot gun would have been gone right after the shootings ,as he had 8 to 12 hours to think about getting rid of things like drugs and legal guns and pills in ones astray... If you KNOW the police or coming and you are REGULARLY committing criminal offenses then you would have to know they would search your car as it is a murder scene. But if you come home and find your family dead ,call 911 then remember about the gun you stole from jimmy after he took it from sam when they robbed the fas mart or what ever and decided to take it out of the house as it is not important to the murder scene anyway and put it in you car because you don't even consider they will look in your car because you didn't do it. or maybe he had it in his mind to take that gun and shot someone he thought did it.

You may be right but it is my interpretation that these murders could have happened anytime between the 8 and 12 hour window. I think LE is basing the time line on when they know they were last alive and when 911 call was made. They will have a very good estimate of the time with the victims who first survived (2 now 1) and how much blood they had lost when taken to the hospital. Or if the blood was dried or still wet on their clothing and at the scene. They now have the autopsy findings also which we have not been made privy to that will have TOD.

I just don't find that theory feasible. If this man had really just walked in to see the blood carnage in his home, which must have been a house of unimaginable horrors, the last thing any grieving and in shock family member would do is to have the forethought to even think of a gun or removed the gun to his trunk. Since it makes no mention of the maintenance worker seeing him remove the gun that has to mean he put the shotgun in his car even before he ran for help. I find that very incredulous and certainly highly suspicious.

imo

 

[Beyond Belief]

I am also having a hard time over the fact this guy didn't have a cellphone. In fact I guess no one had one since he didn't use it to call 911.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This is probably not complicated at all. The boy may have drug issues and was causing problems in the home. It doesn't take much to get on each others nerves packed in that tight. Pershaps he was told to leave, move elsewhere, something like that. H e was prob high when he did all this thus the real reaction come morning.
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I think once we know more it may show that you are very close in surmising what really may have happened here.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have to say his little brother does have a point. Why does Guy Jr. look like he doesn't have a mark on him with 3 men in the house? He could not have shot them all at once leaving someone to try and stop him.