GUILTY GA - Eight family members brutally murdered in Brunswick home, 29 Aug 2009

[oceanblueeyes]

I just wanted to introduce myself. If there is protocol here I am not getting, please let me know.
I am fascinated by the 8 murders at New Hope Trailer Park in Brunswick Georgia on August 29, 2009.
As of today I have read the lone surviving 3 year old boy has been transferred from Savannah to a hospital in Atlanta. There was no comment on his condition.

I don't think Guy Heinze Jr. is guilty for all of the many good reasons given in this thread. I understand the defendant's attorneys have asked to close all proceedings they can and have requested a gag order from the court. I have not heard an answer to that request.
Am I on the main thread for people paying close attention to this case? There seem to be several. This looks like a great place to be updated with facts and updated with ideas and opinions from all of you. Your posts are very interesting.

Thank you

Greg

Welcome Greg!

While I most certain do believe that Guy Heinz' murdered everyone in that home and tried to murder the young boy who clings to life even now, I am very glad that you are interested in this case and welcome to Webslueths.

I suspect why the defense attorney is wanting to keep everything under wraps is he knows any evidence known against his client will be highly detrimental for him and may taint his rights to a fair trial if they are known.

This same thing happened when Joesph Duncan was tried in Idaho for triple homicide. He even waived his preliminary hearing because imo, he and his attorney knew if any of the evidence was known to the public it could gravely prejudice him with his potential jury.

When the evidence is so horrible that even the defense attorney and defendant doesn't want it known then imo it has got to be horrific and revealing as to what happened and what kind of person he had to be to do something this reprehensible.

So them wanting nothing out in the public domain doesn't surprise me. It would surprise me more if they did want things brought to light.

imo

 

[kgeaux]

I just wanted to introduce myself. If there is protocol here I am not getting, please let me know.
I am fascinated by the 8 murders at New Hope Trailer Park in Brunswick Georgia on August 29, 2009.
As of today I have read the lone surviving 3 year old boy has been transferred from Savannah to a hospital in Atlanta. There was no comment on his condition.

I don't think Guy Heinze Jr. is guilty for all of the many good reasons given in this thread. I understand the defendant's attorneys have asked to close all proceedings they can and have requested a gag order from the court. I have not heard an answer to that request.
Am I on the main thread for people paying close attention to this case? There seem to be several. This looks like a great place to be updated with facts and updated with ideas and opinions from all of you. Your posts are very interesting.

Thank you

Greg

Welcome to websleuths! I love your avatar, wish I'd have thought of that!

You are in the right place. The discussion heats up as information is released, cools down when there have been no new facts to discuss.

I'm waiting to form my opinion.......I believe Guy sounds like he is extremely distraught in the 911 call, and I believe the sheriff has some sort of evidence. Until I get more facts, I can't decide if Guy did this or not......however, I lean toward his innocence because IMO, it would be hard to beat that many people to death without the victims alerting one another.

 

[Soulmagent]

Hi Greg ,

I am also fascinated by this case. At this point in time I do not believe guy heinze Jr is quilty of this. That could change in time.
I think the defence attorney could have asked for the gag order to prevent the police from strongly suggesting they evidence agaist him which was leading to public conviction before the trial . Not sure but LE was commited to making to public believe they had their man without giving us anything to convince us that he does.

 

[crimesandjustice.com]

I still find it difficult to understand how he could have beat 8 people to death by himself without someone stopping him, unless they were tied up or something. It just does not make sense.

 

[GregH]

I was just researching Guy Heinze's court appointed attorneys. In addition to Ron Harrison he was assigned attorneys from "The Georgia Capital Defenders" (Joseph Vigneri & Charles M.J. Nestor) after being charged with murder and the death penalty being sought. What really interested me was that this office was formed in Georgia so that indigent defendants accused of capital crimes would be afforded equal justice, access and a well equipped a defense as anyone under the law. I found the office quite by accident in a blog where someone was furious about the cost to the State. It seems clear that Georgia's history of it's treatment of the indigent was so poor that it resulted in the Legislature adopting this new office. I think this is a great help to Guy Heinze both in mounting his defense and in (I hope) the unlikely event that he is found guilty.
In fact in a recent report to the Georgia Supreme Court entitled "Status of Indigent Defense in Georgia: A Study for the Chief Justice's Commission on Indigent Defense, Part I" The Spangenberg Group, a nationally and internationally recognized criminal justice research and consulting firm that specializes in indigent defense services, wrote,

"Representation of indigent defendants in death penalty cases was not an area of close scrutiny in our site work, as a detailed study of a system in a state that has a very large death row was beyond the scope of our general review of indigent defense in Georgia. However, in our site work, we heard universal praise for the work of the Multi-County Public Defender among prosecutors, judges, and attorneys. Interviewees commented that the level of capital defense has been raised in Georgia because of the work of the Multi-County Public Defender."

I am proud to live in a country where Equal Justice For All is more than a motto. I don't think complex and expensive defenses should be limited to those who can put $200,000 down as a "retainer" for independent testing, evidence verification, private investigators and other expenses.

What do you think ?

Greg

 

[jjenny]

Welcome to websleuths! I love your avatar, wish I'd have thought of that!

You are in the right place. The discussion heats up as information is released, cools down when there have been no new facts to discuss.

I'm waiting to form my opinion.......I believe Guy sounds like he is extremely distraught in the 911 call, and I believe the sheriff has some sort of evidence. Until I get more facts, I can't decide if Guy did this or not......however, I lean toward his innocence because IMO, it would be hard to beat that many people to death without the victims alerting one another.

Well somebody obviously beat that many people to death. So what is your argument exactly? Are you arguing it can not be done because obviously it could be-they are all dead.

 

[Soulmagent]

Well somebody obviously beat that many people to death. So what is your argument exactly? Are you arguing it can not be done because obviously it could be-they are all dead.

Its not that they couldnt or were not ,it is the by one person that has us questioning things. We would of expected to see injury on his person.Face ,head etc. None of that was seen on his photo taken hours afterwards.
No reports of the victims being tied up. 9 people and all of them except maybe 2 would have been able to fight back.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I was just researching Guy Heinze's court appointed attorneys. In addition to Ron Harrison he was assigned attorneys from "The Georgia Capital Defenders" (Joseph Vigneri & Charles M.J. Nestor) after being charged with murder and the death penalty being sought. What really interested me was that this office was formed in Georgia so that indigent defendants accused of capital crimes would be afforded equal justice, access and a well equipped a defense as anyone under the law. I found the office quite by accident in a blog where someone was furious about the cost to the State. It seems clear that Georgia's history of it's treatment of the indigent was so poor that it resulted in the Legislature adopting this new office. I think this is a great help to Guy Heinze both in mounting his defense and in (I hope) the unlikely event that he is found guilty.
In fact in a recent report to the Georgia Supreme Court entitled "Status of Indigent Defense in Georgia: A Study for the Chief Justice's Commission on Indigent Defense, Part I" The Spangenberg Group, a nationally and internationally recognized criminal justice research and consulting firm that specializes in indigent defense services, wrote,

"Representation of indigent defendants in death penalty cases was not an area of close scrutiny in our site work, as a detailed study of a system in a state that has a very large death row was beyond the scope of our general review of indigent defense in Georgia. However, in our site work, we heard universal praise for the work of the Multi-County Public Defender among prosecutors, judges, and attorneys. Interviewees commented that the level of capital defense has been raised in Georgia because of the work of the Multi-County Public Defender."

I am proud to live in a country where Equal Justice For All is more than a motto. I don't think complex and expensive defenses should be limited to those who can put $200,000 down as a "retainer" for independent testing, evidence verification, private investigators and other expenses.

What do you think ?

Greg

I think it is a great system that they now offer specialized attorneys who have knowledge and expertise in death penalty cases, instead of PDs who are so overloaded to begin with.

Our state and others have adopted this system. Iirc, they can only qualify for these expert defense lawyers and funds if it is a death penalty case.

Now I am from Georgia and we are so slow carrying out executions anyway. One of the most notorious mass murderers, Carl Issac, who murdered the Alday family of 6 from Donalsonville was on death row for 30 years before he was finally executed.

Even Joesph Duncan was provided with extra funds and death penalty qualified attorneys. So I would think most states that have the death penalty also has these same type of funds and lawyers if their case is a death penalty case which imo, is a good thing. By providing them with the funds and specialized attorneys rarely is their death penalty case overturned due to errors should they be convicted.

imo

 

[kgeaux]

Well somebody obviously beat that many people to death. So what is your argument exactly? Are you arguing it can not be done because obviously it could be-they are all dead.

No, that is not what I'm saying, that would be just plain silly. I am saying I think it is highly possible, even probable, that more than one person was involved.

 

[gxm]

I'm still on the fence with this one. I think he could have done it on his own. But it's also possible that he had help. IMO, without a doubt, he had something to do with the murders. It will be nice when we have more facts to chew on.

Has anyone heard of the little boy's condition or his long-term prognosis? I so hope he pulls through and surprises everyone with a miraculous recovery.

 

[kgeaux]

I'm still on the fence with this one. I think he could have done it on his own. But it's also possible that he had help. IMO, without a doubt, he had something to do with the murders. It will be nice when we have more facts to chew on.

Has anyone heard of the little boy's condition or his long-term prognosis? I so hope he pulls through and surprises everyone with a miraculous recovery.

The last I heard, the little boy was going to make it, but he is severley brain-damaged. A perfect little boy is going to pay for the rest of his life because of what "whoever" did to him. It makes me so angry.

 

[gxm]

The last I heard, the little boy was going to make it, but he is severley brain-damaged. A perfect little boy is going to pay for the rest of his life because of what "whoever" did to him. It makes me so angry.

I'm very sad to hear that. I was hoping for a miracle. Now I just hope the child has some family left to take care of him.

 

[GregH]

It may be better for the little boy then we know GXM. The authorities have been extremely successful in keeping almost all information about the case private. You really have to hand it to them.
I have read many many articles about the tragedy at the New Hope Plantation Trailer Park in Brunswick on August 31. I have never seen any credible report about the 3 year olds condition and have never seen anything about "bloody clothes" found except in an earlier post here. I am not interested in unsubstantiated "facts". I would love to hear good news about this child. I do subscribe to The Brunswick News and those comments were not made there. Please folks, if you have any news - Please state your source.
Thank You

 

[jjenny]

No, that is not what I'm saying, that would be just plain silly. I am saying I think it is highly possible, even probable, that more than one person was involved.

The people could have been sleeping or restrained. I have no idea if the accused did what he is accused of, but I think it is possible for one person to kill multiple people by beating them. For instance, Joseph Duncan killed three people by beating them and took two kids with him, all by himself.

 

[Soulmagent]

The people could have been sleeping or restrained. I have no idea if the accused did what he is accused of, but I think it is possible for one person to kill multiple people by beating them. For instance, Joseph Duncan killed three people by beating them and took two kids with him, all by himself.

He tied everyone up. They were unable to defend themselfs.

 

[SkewedView]

Hello all, I'm a bit late coming upon this case, and just got done wading through all of the posts about it, and I have to say that I agree with those that are doubtful of Jr.'s guilt.

This is not to say that LE is anything other than above board in all of this, but I've seen a number of cases where investigators 'bulldog' (i.e. bite down on a theory and lock their jaws on it, becoming obsessed with the correctness of said theory) an easy suspect because of early red flags and are absolutely convinced they have the right guy, only to have it turn out that they missed certain evidence or implications in the rush to make an arrest.

One case in particular that comes to mind is the murder of Stephanie Crowe, where LE was certain that her brother did it, and latched onto him as a suspect to such a degree that they damaged their case against the actual killer, who should have been a major suspect but was instead ignored by LE until the brother's defense attorney had a key (and forgoten) peice of evidence tested.

Another case of LE 'bulldoging' on a suspect was in the Vicki Wegerle murder, when they were dead certain that her husband did it, to such a degree that they hounded him and interfered in his life no matter where he moved for many years, before they found out (from the killer himself) that Denis Rader (the BTK killer) had actually been the killer. Again, it was early red flags with the husband and no other good suspects that made LE focus so intently on him.

There are a number of cases like this, so I don't take LE's word on someone's guilt until trial, unless there is a lot of clear evidence available to me, or the suspect's story scores really high on the BS scale, as in the case of the Vaughn family murder for instance. For a crime scene of such complexity, it just honestly seems that they should not have been able to process enough evidence in the time it took them to make the arrest to be truly certain that he did it - and other than for PR reasons, I just don't see why they needed to arrest him that quickly, given that he was going to be monitored electronicly under house arrest and was thus not going anywhere. I just hope that if he is guilty, they didn't damage their case by rushing the arrest.

 

[kgeaux]

The people could have been sleeping or restrained. I have no idea if the accused did what he is accused of, but I think it is possible for one person to kill multiple people by beating them. For instance, Joseph Duncan killed three people by beating them and took two kids with him, all by himself.

There is no evidence that the seven people were restrained.....at least none that we know of. They were in a SMALL mobile home, jam packed in there. It doesn't appear that any attempt to fight back was made, nor any attempt to escape.

Joseph Duncan tied up the three people he killed. If he restrained the 14 year old first, the parents would have complied with his demands hoping that they could save their son.

I'm like you, I have no idea if Guy did what he has been accused of. I still think it is possible that more than one person was involved.

 

[GregH]

New Information onwhen The Jacksonville News.com today.

 

[GregH]

New Information on The Jacksonville News.com today.

 

[GregH]

New Information on The Jacksonville News.com today.