GUILTY GA - Eight family members brutally murdered in Brunswick home, 29 Aug 2009

[GregH]

I have 3 photos saved on my computer ( I wish I could post them here. All three show photos of Guy (with the decedents) and Guy has the same haircut he has in every post murder photo. Buzz cut short- to the scalp.
Yet one of the victims (#4) was found with hair clutched in both hands. They couldn't get a hair sample from Guy without resorting to pubic hair.
Look at how small that trailer is again (all photos can be easily found in Google images) Nine people attacked - 8 dead. No close neighbor even complains of noise. The trailer window has an undisturbed fan in it. Tyler Heinze states his family are all fighters.
Yet Guy Heinze is accused of being the sole killer having bludgeoned 8 to death and Brian Jimmerson (age 3) nearly to death. All his own family, returning at at 8AM trying to help his cousin and making that heart breaking 911 call.
I DON'T BUY IT
DO YOU ?

 

[MeoW333]

I have 3 photos saved on my computer ( I wish I could post them here. All three show photos of Guy (with the decedents) and Guy has the same haircut he has in every post murder photo. Buzz cut short- to the scalp.
Yet one of the victims (#4) was found with hair clutched in both hands. They couldn't get a hair sample from Guy without resorting to pubic hair.
Look at how small that trailer is again (all photos can be easily found in Google images) Nine people attacked - 8 dead. No close neighbor even complains of noise. The trailer window has an undisturbed fan in it. Tyler Heinze states his family are all fighters.
Yet Guy Heinze is accused of being the sole killer having bludgeoned 8 to death and Brian Jimmerson (age 3) nearly to death. All his own family, returning at at 8AM trying to help his cousin and making that heart breaking 911 call.
I DON'T BUY IT
DO YOU ?

Can't they find any witnesses who would have seen Guy Heinze with the same buzzcut the day prior? Obviously his hair wouldn't have grown out so quickly.. the girl wouldn't be clutching his hair.

LE needs to make sure they aren't pinning a crime on an innocent man.
They focused on Guy from the beginning and no one else. There should have been a lot of other avenues to look at as well.

IMO, i don't think Guy killed 8 people himself.
If a possibility exists he owed drug money to someone, then his family and residence could have been targeted.

If he is soley to be responsible for murdering 8 people, some of which are male adults, the family being described as "fighters" then i would think he would have had to have other help or a complete psychotic break.

There is no proof of either of those.
Yet i'm not convinced he killed 8 people.
I can understand LE wanting to close a case quickly so that public scrutiny doesn't come down on them that a spree killer(s) are running loose, however they aren't helping the public if they are trying to pin it on an innocent man while the real culprits are free.

 

[Soulmagent]

I have 3 photos saved on my computer ( I wish I could post them here. All three show photos of Guy (with the decedents) and Guy has the same haircut he has in every post murder photo. Buzz cut short- to the scalp.

I have no idea what your post count has to be to post pictures but have you thought about photobucket? You could then link it for us.

 

[GregH]

That's great. I don't know photo bucket but if it's reasonably easy to upload a jpg to it sounds fantastic. Please let me know.
I see no means here to post a photo.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have 3 photos saved on my computer ( I wish I could post them here. All three show photos of Guy (with the decedents) and Guy has the same haircut he has in every post murder photo. Buzz cut short- to the scalp.
Yet one of the victims (#4) was found with hair clutched in both hands. They couldn't get a hair sample from Guy without resorting to pubic hair.
Look at how small that trailer is again (all photos can be easily found in Google images) Nine people attacked - 8 dead. No close neighbor even complains of noise. The trailer window has an undisturbed fan in it. Tyler Heinze states his family are all fighters.
Yet Guy Heinze is accused of being the sole killer having bludgeoned 8 to death and Brian Jimmerson (age 3) nearly to death. All his own family, returning at at 8AM trying to help his cousin and making that heart breaking 911 call.
I DON'T BUY IT
DO YOU ?

Yes, I do buy it.


We have no idea what the length of the hair is that was in the hands of the victim. Even with friction head hairs can come loose even from those with a buzz cut.

From what Doering said it leads me to believe that they indeed have eye or ear witnesses that of course have not been disclosed. He told the media not assume they didn't have witnesses.

I really don't think anyone can say with any certainty that these families would fight back. Most family members like to believe that and that is understandable. However we don't know how many were sleeping at the time and if the fans were on high since it was so hot in August they drown out other noises. I use a box fan and central air each night because the box fan drowns out noises. Striking someone in the head with a massive bludgeoning weapon would not make much noise if any. If he used a formidable tool such as a tire iron, pick axe, ball peen hammer, crowbar etc, one massive blow would leave the victim helpless and of course once they were stunned then all he had to do is hit them several quick times.

I think he did do this all by himself. No one knew the layout of that home any better than he did or the habits of the victims or the sleeping arrangements. I think this crime occurred in the early morning hours and he left then came back when he knew he would be seen coming into the MHP like he had been gone and just came upon the victims. I think they have witnesses and I think they have surveillance video putting him close to the scene when he told him he was some place else.

I think Heinz Jr. is probably a crackhead and maybe uses meth. Combine those deadly combinations with uncontrollable rage and the victims are looking at a strong and powerful monster who they must have thought had gone stark raving mad.

imo

 

[GregH]

This is very well said and reasoned. IMO you are jumping to several conclusions about the the defendant's ability to commit these murders. You refer to his knowing the layout. It is a small single wide trailer with 9 people in it and I assume a small kitchen area and bathroom. I'll grant you he would know the sleeping habits of the "house". How quick and strong could he possibly be whatever the weapon? What possible motive? Meth or crack are bad drugs but they don't cause a 22 year old son to become a mass murderer.
As to hair evidence; once again a very good point that they may be dealing with very small hair trace on any of the victims and took a hair sample from Guy Heinze. My thought was when the press release came out re: The search warrants they used the term two fists with hair in them (It was not "two fistfuls of hair" as I remember it) you are still taking about longer and larger quantity of hair than he had - head to toe.The photos prove he had worn his hair as short prior to the murders.I think Guy Heinze is innocent and I am very very skeptical that one person alone did this.
Thank you for posting. You make good points. I am admittedly cynical enough to believe that if there are direct local witnesses by sight and/or sound they would be known to the press despite the best efforts of the police to keep everything as quiet as possible. As far as I have heard there has been no ruling by the court re: gag orders and closing the pre-trial proceedings and trial itself to the media. It is not illegal for anyone to talk at this point. ( even if they should not) It is my my own opinion that someone would talk to their wife, neighbor, friend etc. who in turn would confide in their friend.... People just can't keep secrets. I still don't buy it.

Yes, I do buy it.


We have no idea what the length of the hair is that was in the hands of the victim. Even with friction head hairs can come loose even from those with a buzz cut.

From what Doering said it leads me to believe that they indeed have eye or ear witnesses that of course have not been disclosed. He told the media not assume they didn't have witnesses.

I really don't think anyone can say with any certainty that these families would fight back. Most family members like to believe that and that is understandable. However we don't know how many were sleeping at the time and if the fans were on high since it was so hot in August they drown out other noises. I use a box fan and central air each night because the box fan drowns out noises. Striking someone in the head with a massive bludgeoning weapon would not make much noise if any. If he used a formidable tool such as a tire iron, pick axe, ball peen hammer, crowbar etc, one massive blow would leave the victim helpless and of course once they were stunned then all he had to do is hit them several quick times.

I think he did do this all by himself. No one knew the layout of that home any better than he did or the habits of the victims or the sleeping arrangements. I think this crime occurred in the early morning hours and he left then came back when he knew he would be seen coming into the MHP like he had been gone and just came upon the victims. I think they have witnesses and I think they have surveillance video putting him close to the scene when he told him he was some place else.

I think Heinz Jr. is probably a crackhead and maybe uses meth. Combine those deadly combinations with uncontrollable rage and the victims are looking at a strong and powerful monster who they must have thought had gone stark raving mad.

imo

 

[kgeaux]

Yes, I do buy it.


We have no idea what the length of the hair is that was in the hands of the victim. Even with friction head hairs can come loose even from those with a buzz cut.

From what Doering said it leads me to believe that they indeed have eye or ear witnesses that of course have not been disclosed. He told the media not assume they didn't have witnesses.

I really don't think anyone can say with any certainty that these families would fight back. Most family members like to believe that and that is understandable. However we don't know how many were sleeping at the time and if the fans were on high since it was so hot in August they drown out other noises. I use a box fan and central air each night because the box fan drowns out noises. Striking someone in the head with a massive bludgeoning weapon would not make much noise if any. If he used a formidable tool such as a tire iron, pick axe, ball peen hammer, crowbar etc, one massive blow would leave the victim helpless and of course once they were stunned then all he had to do is hit them several quick times.

I think he did do this all by himself. No one knew the layout of that home any better than he did or the habits of the victims or the sleeping arrangements. I think this crime occurred in the early morning hours and he left then came back when he knew he would be seen coming into the MHP like he had been gone and just came upon the victims. I think they have witnesses and I think they have surveillance video putting him close to the scene when he told him he was some place else.

I think Heinz Jr. is probably a crackhead and maybe uses meth. Combine those deadly combinations with uncontrollable rage and the victims are looking at a strong and powerful monster who they must have thought had gone stark raving mad.

imo

You know, it IS understandable that a sleeping person might not fight back. I would imagine that being struck hard enough in the head would transition a person from sleep to unconsciousness instantly. But there are indications that at least two of the victims attempted to flee or fight back. (One victim found sprawled on kitchen floor, another with hair clutched in hands.) Granted, the last one to be killed could have raised an alarm and no one would have been alive to hear him, but it just sounds to me like Guy would have had to be incredibly "lucky" (for lack of a better word) to get all of this done and not get one scratch on him....You are right about the noise box fans can make, too. I keep a fan on all night in my BR specifically to drown out family noises---I go to sleep way earlier than anyone else!

As for the hair, you are right on target. We do not know the LENGTH of the hair found clutched in Victim #4's hands. We do have a police statement that it seemed someone had clipped their hair recently. Don't know if the two are related, but it could just be that Victim #4 got the hairs from the clipping into her hands.

You are also right on target about the actions of a person crazed out on crack or meth. We had an incident in Lafayette last night where a person on crack kicked down the door to a home and attempted to slash up a man that he suspected was sleeping with his EX-girlfriend. Thank God the homeowner had a serving tray in front of him and was able to use it as a shield, because otherwise he'd have been killed. Crack makes you crazy, and it certainly seems to give a strength past what normal people have.

Just trying to say, I agree with you on so many of your points! Others I question, like the statement the sheriff made about whether or not there are witnesses.....I hope they do have at least one, but I can't make that determination by parsing the sheriff's words.

Time will tell, though. And if Guy is guilty, I hope it's beyond a shadow of doubt for the jury. If he ISN'T guilty or did not act alone, then I am scared to death for that community.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You know, it IS understandable that a sleeping person might not fight back. I would imagine that being struck hard enough in the head would transition a person from sleep to unconsciousness instantly. But there are indications that at least two of the victims attempted to flee or fight back. (One victim found sprawled on kitchen floor, another with hair clutched in hands.) Granted, the last one to be killed could have raised an alarm and no one would have been alive to hear him, but it just sounds to me like Guy would have had to be incredibly "lucky" (for lack of a better word) to get all of this done and not get one scratch on him....You are right about the noise box fans can make, too. I keep a fan on all night in my BR specifically to drown out family noises---I go to sleep way earlier than anyone else!

As for the hair, you are right on target. We do not know the LENGTH of the hair found clutched in Victim #4's hands. We do have a police statement that it seemed someone had clipped their hair recently. Don't know if the two are related, but it could just be that Victim #4 got the hairs from the clipping into her hands.

You are also right on target about the actions of a person crazed out on crack or meth. We had an incident in Lafayette last night where a person on crack kicked down the door to a home and attempted to slash up a man that he suspected was sleeping with his EX-girlfriend. Thank God the homeowner had a serving tray in front of him and was able to use it as a shield, because otherwise he'd have been killed. Crack makes you crazy, and it certainly seems to give a strength past what normal people have.

Just trying to say, I agree with you on so many of your points! Others I question, like the statement the sheriff made about whether or not there are witnesses.....I hope they do have at least one, but I can't make that determination by parsing the sheriff's words.

Time will tell, though. And if Guy is guilty, I hope it's beyond a shadow of doubt for the jury. If he ISN'T guilty or did not act alone, then I am scared to death for that community.

Thank you for your courteous reply.

I certainly know that others may not agree with me and I respect their rights to their own entitled opinions.

You are right, time will tell and until then we on message boards can only give our opinions based on the limited information we have.

I guess I see the weapon used as being something so sinister and brutal that it would not take but seconds to render someone dead or dying since so many lost their lives. While two may have been up or tried without success to get away, the others could have been sleeping and Heinz Jr went room to room murdering them one by one. The one that had hair in their hands may have only had time to grab his at his head if he was up very close up to them...like leaning over them while they were in bed. They also may have tried to protect one of the victims and it is one of the other victim's hair that was found in the victim's hand.

Yes, I do remember it being said that there were fresh clippings left at the scene so I wonder if Heinz Jr shaved his own head as a lot of guys do. It would be interesting to know if he did that.... was it before this happened or right after and before he left the scene.

Imo, it is illogical to really think a victim that is being unmercifully attacked would try to fight when they had no weapon knowing what a horrifying weapon the killer was powerfully wielding against them. I think they did everything they could do to shrink back trying to get out of the line of strike and if awake they will have defensive wounds where they tried to shield themselves from the life threatening blows.

Three of the victims were really no threat to the murderer. A 3 year old boy, a teenager with Down Syndrome and the woman was wheelchair bound. I doubt the young girls could do anything either. The home is about a 12x 70 mobile home so imo he had them trapped in one end where there were no exits and when one did make it to the kitchen he struck them down and killed them before they could make it to the door. Or that may have been the first victim who may have been up and in the kitchen and he killed that one first. I think he entered the back door and that usually leads into the kitchen area in a mobile home. If he he used a tire iron he could have held it by his side. He lived there and the person in the kitchen may not have even noticed him much when he entered. They may have just glanced up and all he would have to do is come up behind the person with both hands raised grasping the weapon and came down with a massive blow to the head.

I have read what some drugs can do to a human being and some of the things it does it make the person extremely strong, powerful and violent. We have even seen that on the news where it will take 5 huge cops to subdue one suspect to get him on the ground.

I don't know his motive and really motive isn't even required in a criminal case but I have felt it had to do with rejection somehow. Maybe the entire group of people that lived there were sick and tired of his drug dealings and when they were planning on moving maybe they told him he wouldn't be moving with them and he went ballistic and hated everyone of them. Or he could have come home and realized someone in the home had gotten into his drug stash.

Just speculation though.

 

[Soulmagent]

I just cant buy that is is guilty. I wish i could I think It would be alot easier.
After crimes like this when they do not know who the suspect LE tell people look for someone with injuries. He has None.
He told 911 to hurry and repeatly ask for the ambulance
the dog cannot be heard barking in the 911 tape
the neighbors(and maintance man and park manager) says his is freaking out
the fan does not apear to be on in the pictures from the news
at least one victim fought back.
had hair in their hands.
guy has no hair and we have picture showing he wore his hair like that before the crime.
2 victims in kitchen.
Neighbors said they heard nothing.


We cannot say he is guilty without making huge leaps about what might have happened and trying to justify the evidence that doesnt fit into something that does.
I am not buying Doerings 100 percent we have our guy when he started out so clueless. He flips from there maybe more people involved to we have the lone person.
They were all sleeping seems incorrect according to what was released.
Hair clutched in victims hands doesnt fit as his hair isnt long enough to clutch.
And besides that there is nothing else we know of. I am thinking if they had something concrete they would have said. Their silence speaks volumes.
So A question I have is does beating someone skull in make a niose? I have heard people fall and hit their head and it echoed sounded like a shotgun going off. And they only cracked bones in their face. I also saw two morons headbutt eachother( to which they couldnt have done more damage to thier brains had the actual headbutting injured them)and that too was loud.
To think no one heard anything in a trailer is hard for me to believe as I lived in a trailer and heard stuff like other peoples washing machines out of level ,fighting, every car door that opened and closed.
None of it makes sence ,if he did it why no marks on him? Why not more information on his arrest no they dont have to release it but they do all the time. I feel they want us to forget it.

 

[GregH]

Brilliant, Thank You. Too many questions. Don't forget that Police Dept and court system was just finishing another terrible child abduction, sexual abuse and murder case when this happened. That's a whole lot for what is usually a very quiet area. This may be a real rush to nail this thing very quietly shut with the wrong man facing the death penalty. Thanks very much for posting

I just cant buy that he is guilty. I wish i could, I think It would be alot easier.
After crimes like this when they do not know who the suspect LE tell people look for someone with injuries. He has None.
He told 911 to hurry and repeatly ask for the ambulance
the dog cannot be heard barking in the 911 tape
the neighbors(and maintance man and park manager) says his is freaking out
the fan does not apear to be on in the pictures from the news
at least one victim fought back.
had hair in their hands.
guy has no hair and we have picture showing he wore his hair like that before the crime.
2 victims in kitchen.
Neighbors said they heard nothing.


We cannot say he is guilty without making huge leaps about what might have happened and trying to justify the evidence that doesnt fit into something that does.
I am not buying Doerings 100 percent we have our guy when he started out so clueless. He flips from there maybe more people involved to we have the lone person.
They were all sleeping seems incorrect according to what was released.
Hair clutched in victims hands doesnt fit as his hair isnt long enough to clutch.
And besides that there is nothing else we know of. I am thinking if they had something concrete they would have said. Their silence speaks volumes.
So A question I have is does beating someone skull in make a niose? I have heard people fall and hit their head and it echoed sounded like a shotgun going off. And they only cracked bones in their face. I also saw two morons headbutt eachother( to which they couldnt have done more damage to thier brains had the actual headbutting injured them)and that too was loud.
To think no one heard anything in a trailer is hard for me to believe as I lived in a trailer and heard stuff like other peoples washing machines out of level ,fighting, every car door that opened and closed.
None of it makes sence ,if he did it why no marks on him? Why not more information on his arrest no they dont have to release it but they do all the time. I feel they want us to forget it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No the court rejected a request for a gag order in that case and also LE did release information during the investigation. He was a missing child and they arrested the RSO the day after Christopher was reported missing and information was released as made such as when they were lead to his body and why the parents where arrested.The fact the wife of RSO's dad is saving her own sad ..
It was a very public criminal trail from start to finish. So if a gag order is imposed here It will send all kinds of redflags up in my mind.

Good morning Soul,

But isn't it Guy Heinz own defense attorneys that are wanting the gag order in place? They are the ones that have filed various motions on that issue correct? Will those motions be ruled on before or during the pre-trial hearings which are expected in the coming weeks?

It isn't uncommon for a gag order to be put in place especially on a death penalty case. Sometimes it happens and sometimes it does not.

And really a lot of the time the defense attorney knows full well if evidence is divulged publicly in an open courtroom it can highly prejudice their clients rights to a fair trial if known before trial.

It sure sounds like that is what these defense attorneys are trying to do for Heinz Jr. and are trying hard to stop the evidence from being known.

http://jacksonville.com/news/georgi...t_to_bar_access_in_brunswick_mass_murder_case

Heinze lawyers want to bar access in Brunswick mass murder case

More prejudicial information will become public if the court proceedings remain open, and the resulting news media coverage will trigger a recounting of events in the case, they wrote.

I did read an article that stated the attorneys did not even want the information out on the condition of the surviving victim. Cant remember which article I read that in though.

I honestly think they are doing their jobs and knows when evidence is put out in the public that is so detrimental to a defendant his rights to a fair trial is in jeopardy.

imo

 

[GregH]

In regards to the initial controversy of bludgeoning v a shotgun Just picturing that much damage to anyones face is sickening. I saw a
car accident victim in that state on the Internet once and still can't
get it out of my mind. Suffice to say I guess I agree with both of you
and at first glance (at least by me) it would be impossible to say.
Spatter patterns or lack of them may have clued in the police right
away though. Guy Heinze would of course not know of such things.

Please - Is there ANY new information out there? I know I may sound
like a broken record but someone (knowledgeable or not) must have
given an interview ? A family member concerned? Sad? thinks Guy is
guilty or Innocent ? There is nothing new since early September and
precious little of that. I am fascinated by the case but it's like a
mystery novel where I only read the first chapter or two and lost it.
Surly the police even convinced of Guy Heinze's guilt would be looking
for an accomplice? A motive? All I have is Police Chief Doerring
saying with complete certainty that they have the murderer and two
pieces of very important (undisclosed to the public) evidence. Legally
this would have to be shared with the defense right away.(but then
they want no publicity either).
This is driving me mad. A lawyer friends ballpark guess about when a
trial date may happen was over 8 months ! And that is in keeping
within the law that we are all afforded a speedy trial. I do
understand that 8 murders in a trailer would involve a lot of lab
work. It still seems a very long time to prepare a case - even this one
GregH

 

[oceanblueeyes]

In regards to the initial controversy of bludgeoning v a shotgun Just picturing that much damage to anyones face is sickening. I saw a
car accident victim in that state on the Internet once and still can't
get it out of my mind. Suffice to say I guess I agree with both of you
and at first glance (at least by me) it would be impossible to say.
Spatter patterns or lack of them may have clued in the police right
away though. Guy Heinze would of course not know of such things.

Please - Is there ANY new information out there? I know I may sound
like a broken record but someone (knowledgeable or not) must have
given an interview ? A family member concerned? Sad? thinks Guy is
guilty or Innocent ? There is nothing new since early September and
precious little of that. I am fascinated by the case but it's like a
mystery novel where I only read the first chapter or two and lost it.
Surly the police even convinced of Guy Heinze's guilt would be looking
for an accomplice? A motive? All I have is Police Chief Doerring
saying with complete certainty that they have the murderer and two
pieces of very important (undisclosed to the public) evidence. Legally
this would have to be shared with the defense right away.(but then
they want no publicity either).
This is driving me mad. A lawyer friends ballpark guess about when a
trial date may happen was over 8 months ! And that is in keeping
within the law that we are all afforded a speedy trial. I do
understand that 8 murders in a trailer would involve a lot of lab
work. It still seems a very long time to prepare a case - even this one
GregH

Morning Greg!

I think we would all like to have more information on this case but due to it being a death penalty case I doubt we will see any.

I actually think it will be 2 years or more before this case comes to trial. Every death penalty case I have seen takes a very long time and most of them don't include the deaths of 8 people which makes the case vast and complex. It seems Heinz has not asked for a speedy trial. In the Beason Illinois mass murder case the attorneys have said that it will likely take three years for it to come to trial.

No one wants the evidence out there. Not even Heinz' own attorney.

While two pivotal pieces of evidence came back that led to his arrest then, there has been many more forensic tests done by now on other submitted evidence imo. I am sure they will be turned over to the defense at such time the Judge tells them to do so. Usually both sides have to turnover discovery in an alloted time line specified by the reciprocal discovery rules in the state of Georgia.

I think many familiy members will be called to testify in the actual trial and have been asked by the DA not to speak out about what they know so that the trial won't be tainted.

imo

 

[GregH]

Your quite right Oceanblueeyes. Although I was hoping maybe a year before trial. It is a very complex case.
What is best for Justice isn't best for my nosy curiosity ((Smile)). I think Justice is more important.

 

[GregH]

A fair trial for Guy Heinze
Public Defenders don't have the resources (or usually time or interest) to mount the kind of defense the defendant deserves. It has always really bothered me that there is one system of justice for the very rich and another for the rest of us. What was OJ's bill? Assuming all of us are of average income and a few well above average - You can't afford a long lawsuit or a proper defense. Only accidents where the lawyer gets a fixed percentage of the award (see their TV advertisements ) will talk to you without substantial money down and the bill only goes up from there.

An exception seems where you have a very high profile case a lawyer or group will take the case on for the publicity - pro bono

Georgia has a special system for people accused of Capital Crimes only. It is called The George Capital Defenders. http://www.gacapdef.org/
This office is defending Guy Heinze. Harrison ( his first court appointed attorney) may be the "lawyer of record"
If it is as good (and expensive) as people say then I think Guy is in good hands. I read an editorial from Georgia where a man was complaining about the huge expense of "defending criminals" Guy Heinze is not a criminal. He has been arrested but convicted of Nothing. His very life hangs in the balance of the jury's decision.

Any comments on The Georgia Capital Defenders? I don't think we have anything like that in my State ( But could - as usual- be wrong) Massachusetts also does not have the death penalty

 

[GregH]

The only survivor
(Sorry to "over post") I get carried away

Re: Byron Jimerson age 3. They did say he had been moved to a rehabilitation hospital.
It is probably not admissible evidence but can't the average three year use some words like "doggy bite me"
"I want a cookie" or "Guy not hurt me"

Does that make sense or is three years old too young for words?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

A fair trial for Guy Heinze
Public Defenders don't have the resources (or usually time or interest) to mount the kind of defense the defendant deserves. It has always really bothered me that there is one system of justice for the very rich and another for the rest of us. What was OJ's bill? Assuming all of us are of average income and a few well above average - You can't afford a long lawsuit or a proper defense. Only accidents where the lawyer gets a fixed percentage of the award (see their TV advertisements ) will talk to you without substantial money down and the bill only goes up from there.

An exception seems where you have a very high profile case a lawyer or group will take the case on for the publicity - pro bono

Georgia has a special system for people accused of Capital Crimes only. It is called The George Capital Defenders. http://www.gacapdef.org/
This office is defending Guy Heinze. Harrison ( his first court appointed attorney) may be the "lawyer of record"
If it is as good (and expensive) as people say then I think Guy is in good hands. I read an editorial from Georgia where a man was complaining about the huge expense of "defending criminals" Guy Heinze is not a criminal. He has been arrested but convicted of Nothing. His very life hangs in the balance of the jury's decision.

Any comments on The Georgia Capital Defenders? I don't think we have anything like that in my State ( But could - as usual- be wrong) Massachusetts also does not have the death penalty

A lot of states are adopting this. You are correct they are able to use this fund when the case is a death penalty case. He will have highly qualified lawyers and they will be able to draw from this fund for such needs as an investigator, forensic scientists and their own DNA testing .

The lawyers for Heinz will be highly proficient and have experience with trying a death penalty case. There are always two objectives for these attorneys. One of course is to make sure the state's evidence is tested and proved beyond a reasonable doubt but at the very first they are very mindful that they are also there to try their best to save his life. If he is found guilty of these heinous crimes IMO no matter how hard the defense team tries they will not save his life. This certainly is a perfect case for the death penalty to be applied. Heinous doesn't even begin to cover it.

Even if Heinz is found quity of these crimes he will not be executed for years imo. While jurors do mete out the DP quite often the state is very slow in carrying them out. Maybe there are a shortage of appellate lawyers and this slows down the appeal process.

One of Georgia's most infamous cases was when Carl Issac and his thugs murdered 6 members of the Alday family in cold blood. He was given the death penalty but it took 30 years before it was carried out.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The only survivor
(Sorry to "over post") I get carried away

Re: Byron Jimerson age 3. They did say he had been moved to a rehabilitation hospital.
It is probably not admissible evidence but can't the average three year use some words like "doggy bite me"
"I want a cookie" or "Guy not hurt me"

Does that make sense or is three years old too young for words?

Sadly we do not know this little child's mental capabilities now. He very well may not be able to even think clearly anymore.

But yes, they can obtain statements from him by a qualified officer who deals with questioning very small children. In the Jesse Davis case her little 2 year old son was able to tell LE that "mommy was in the rug" and he told them that "daddy took her". However Blake was left unharmed and this is not the situation in this case.

I think this little boy has suffered overwhelming brain trauma.

imo

 

[BWK Resident]

I have not posted in quite some time as I, like everyone else, have not seen any "new" evidence or media coverage. It's like the whole case has been relegated to the abyss of a bad memory.
Yet, they, the victims, are still very vibrant in my mind. Little things trigger happy memories, yet bring to the surface the cold fact that no more memories will be made.

I read back over the last pages since I was last here. And as usual, it only raises more questions. Before I will believe that Guy did this, many points will have to be answered. I will also say that if indeed he did it, then the death penalty is almost too easy for him. He will deserve whatever fate allows.

As for the hair evidence, I have never seen Guy Junior with hair long enough to grasp. He has worn a "buzz" cut as long as I have known him. I see no way it could be his.

Much will have to proven to me.

 

[Soulmagent]

I just keep waiting for facts.