GUILTY GA - Eight family members brutally murdered in Brunswick home, 29 Aug 2009

[joe jones]

anybody know when his next court date is?

 

[Belinda]

Let me see if I can find out.

 

[Belinda]

Does anybody know where Guy is being held? I cannot locate him in Glynn County.

ETA: I just cannot figure out where this guy is stashed. He isn't in Glynn County, he's not coming up in Georgia DOC and he's not in federal custody. I'm completely confused. Will keep checking.

 

[kbl8201]

thanks for the bump belinda.

it is a very long thread and i have not had all the time to go back and read everything, but things that stand out at me.

if i was a evil mass murderer, of my own family, there is no way in heck i would leave anything to chance. no way i'd be screaming 'micheals still breathing, hurry!" i dont care if he had downs syndrome or not. and leaving a 3 year old alive is pretty dumb too? did the 3 year old identify him as the shooter or did he die later?

was the shotgun the murder weapon? if not, did they ever recover it and tie to the supsect?

 

[joe jones]

thanks for the bump belinda.

it is a very long thread and i have not had all the time to go back and read everything, but things that stand out at me.

if i was a evil mass murderer, of my own family, there is no way in heck i would leave anything to chance. no way i'd be screaming 'micheals still breathing, hurry!" i dont care if he had downs syndrome or not. and leaving a 3 year old alive is pretty dumb too? did the 3 year old identify him as the shooter or did he die later?

was the shotgun the murder weapon? if not, did they ever recover it and tie to the supsect?

the 3 year old survived, the murder weapons have not been revealed yet by the police, but they say there were 2 weapons and they were all killed by blunt force trauma, beaten to death that is,

the cops have released very little information about the crimes, so as of now we do not know whether they have a strong or weak case against Guy

 

[oceanblueeyes]

thanks for the bump belinda.

it is a very long thread and i have not had all the time to go back and read everything, but things that stand out at me.

if i was a evil mass murderer, of my own family, there is no way in heck i would leave anything to chance. no way i'd be screaming 'micheals still breathing, hurry!" i don't care if he had downs syndrome or not. and leaving a 3 year old alive is pretty dumb too? did the 3 year old identify him as the shooter or did he die later?

was the shotgun the murder weapon? if not, did they ever recover it and tie to the suspect?

The shotgun wasnt the murder weapon by firing it but it may have been if he used it to slam into their heads and faces with the butt of the gun. LE did find a broken stock to a shotgun laying in the driveway.

I believe he used something like a crow bar, tire iron or hammer first and he may have seen the gun propped up in the corner and grabbed it and used it too.

From what little that has been said it was a blood bath inside that home.

Imo, when Heinz Jr. left after he thought he had murdered them all then he pretended to return at 8am and went directly into his spiel that he had just found them but imo he never went inside when first returning. Then he knew he had to go back in to retrieve the shotgun and that is when he found Michael breathing. He never checked on the little boy for if he had he would have found him alive but seriously injured too.

So he had no choice but to tell them Michael was still breathing. He was inside the home and LE and the EMTs knew it and the maintenance man did too and he knew the police and the EMTs were already on the way.

IMO

 

[kbl8201]

still not very convincing yet

 

[GregH]

Soulmagnet thanks once again for your insights and postings along with all of you who write. It's late and I'm a little cranky so out with it
"NOTHING" about how how this case was and is being handled is at all familiar to someone from Boston. Soul you say you don't recall them releasing probably cause" I don't either. How long was he held before being charged with murder? Is the law and how it is executed so different in Georgia than in Massachusetts? People are the same everywhere. They talk, they write articles, lawyers file multiple motions that are not secret and are published in the next day's Boston Globe, Columnists write about things like this and yes they even speculate and have "unnamed sources" that they quote. I'm not saying we are better, I'm really not. Georgia may be adhering to the fundamentals of law since August 31 2009 and I just haven't noticed it.

Maybe the press should get off it's lazy and do some investigative journalism.

I don't think I can stand to see one more story, news special or interview about Bjorn Van der slooth and his smug murdering smile.

Sorry to offend anyone - That has been on my mind for a long time.

All the while Guy Heinze has been sitting in jail in Glynn County. IMO Innocent.

Greg

 

[Belinda]

thanks for the bump belinda.

it is a very long thread and i have not had all the time to go back and read everything, but things that stand out at me.

if i was a evil mass murderer, of my own family, there is no way in heck i would leave anything to chance. no way i'd be screaming 'micheals still breathing, hurry!" i dont care if he had downs syndrome or not. and leaving a 3 year old alive is pretty dumb too? did the 3 year old identify him as the shooter or did he die later?

was the shotgun the murder weapon? if not, did they ever recover it and tie to the supsect?

These are things that stood out to me as well. They arrested this guy so fast. I don't see how, with that type of murder scene, they were able to get conclusive proof that quickly. There are so many things that don't add up for me. It almost seems to me they arrested the most convenient person and have been working backward to try and find the evidence to convict him. I have heard the tapes and I hear total panic, devastation and shock. Unless he is one fabulous actor it sounded completely real to me. This was a very close-knit family and I believe it was an outsider of some sort. I certainly don't buy the money angle as the man who was supposed to get it (sorry, don't remember which one) had not received it yet. That makes no sense for a motive.

 

[joe jones]

The shotgun wasnt the murder weapon by firing it but it may have been if he used it to slam into their heads and faces with the butt of the gun. LE did find a broken stock to a shotgun laying in the driveway.

I believe he used something like a crow bar, tire iron or hammer first and he may have seen the gun propped up in the corner and grabbed it and used it too.

From what little that has been said it was a blood bath inside that home.

Imo, when Heinz Jr. left after he thought he had murdered them all then he pretended to return at 8am and went directly into his spiel that he had just found them but imo he never went inside when first returning. Then he knew he had to go back in to retrieve the shotgun and that is when he found Michael breathing. He never checked on the little boy for if he had he would have found him alive but seriously injured too.

So he had no choice but to tell them Michael was still breathing. He was inside the home and LE and the EMTs knew it and the maintenance man did too and he knew the police and the EMTs were already on the way.

IMO

I still don't get why he had to say Michael was breathing, all he had to say was I went in there saw the horror of it and ran out, I did not look too closely an anybody, could not bare to look, instead he ensured LE put a spurt on, he ensured LE and the paramedics rushed even faster than they already were,

this gave him no time to get himself together, to hide the gun he took out of the home better,

he by screeaming for help to a surviving victim was giving Michael the chance to be saved and to identify Guy as the killer, or to at least reveal any animosity or trouble between members of the family and Guy

he could have just stood outside with the neighbours and waited for LE to show up, instead he screamed for help to save Michael, when nobody else went into the home so nobody knew if it was obvious Michael was alive or not,

if he did it imo he would not be begging for help to save the person who could say he did it, he would be hanging round outside waiting for Michael to die, only he knew Michael was breathing,

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I still don't get why he had to say Michael was breathing, all he had to say was I went in there saw the horror of it and ran out, I did not look too closely an anybody, could not bare to look, instead he ensured LE put a spurt on, he ensured LE and the paramedics rushed even faster than they already were,

this gave him no time to get himself together, to hide the gun he took out of the home better,

he by screaming for help to a surviving victim was giving Michael the chance to be saved and to identify Guy as the killer, or to at least reveal any animosity or trouble between members of the family and Guy

he could have just stood outside with the neighbours and waited for LE to show up, instead he screamed for help to save Michael, when nobody else went into the home so nobody knew if it was obvious Michael was alive or not,

if he did it imo he would not be begging for help to save the person who could say he did it, he would be hanging round outside waiting for Michael to die, only he knew Michael was breathing,

But Joe he didn't run out and the police knew he didn't. He stayed in that house of horrors with his family laying every where brutally murdered.

And how could a person do that? Just remain inside with their family dead? How would they have the wherewithal to do so and be in there as the 911 call went on for 13 minutes, iirc? If he really went in and found them at 8am when he said he returned then why didnt he find Michael breathing then? Imo he didnt. He went back in for the first time after killing them when the 911 call was already in progress.

It is no different to me than when a man shoots his wife and while she lays dying he calls 911 and cries and wails that she just shot herself and begs them to hurry.

Imo, Jr knew Michael was seriously injured. Imo Michael even at that time was never able to say another word again. Bludgeoning someone in the head serious enough to cause death would make the person unconscious or go into a coma quickly. Imo, he knew Michael was non responsive.

He knew the EMTs were going to find Michael breathing anyway. He knew they knew he was inside the house even though he was told to stay outside.

While you think he was all distraught and I respect your opinion and everyone else who has the same opinion but if he truthfully had nothing to do with this the furtherest thing from his mind at that time of absolute unimaginable horror would be retrieving a shotgun from the house. It shows he was not thinking about his family being dead but about protecting himself.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

These are things that stood out to me as well. They arrested this guy so fast. I don't see how, with that type of murder scene, they were able to get conclusive proof that quickly. There are so many things that don't add up for me. It almost seems to me they arrested the most convenient person and have been working backward to try and find the evidence to convict him. I have heard the tapes and I hear total panic, devastation and shock. Unless he is one fabulous actor it sounded completely real to me. This was a very close-knit family and I believe it was an outsider of some sort. I certainly don't buy the money angle as the man who was supposed to get it (sorry, don't remember which one) had not received it yet. That makes no sense for a motive.

They arrested him for the murderers in about 8 days iirc.

They did say that they got evidence back quickly that showed he was the suspect. I imagine they took his fingerprints when he was first arrested on non related charges, then when the GBI/FBI came in to analyze the crime scene, they found his bloody fingerprint at the scene. Experts in this field know if the bloody fingerprint was made when the victim was alive and bleeding vs. deceased. I have no doubt they have a very good estimate looking at the blood pools as to when these victims were attacked.

I remember the Gee family bludgeoning murders in IL. which happened right around the same time, and LE sent off forensics to the lab, and got the results back in 3 days after sending it off and an arrest was made in the case.

With bludgeoning murders much forensics is left behind at the scene. That is why most of them are solved rather quickly. The forensic experts who have talked about bludgeoning murders have said a killer always leaves a part of themselves behind.

LOL! And btw/ I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. Only voicing my own opinion about this case.

IMO

 

[joe jones]

But Joe he didn't run out and the police knew he didn't. He stayed in that house of horrors with his family laying every where brutally murdered.

And how could a person do that? Just remain inside with their family dead? How would they have the wherewithal to do so and be in there as the 911 call went on for 13 minutes, iirc? If he really went in and found them at 8am when he said he returned then why didnt he find Michael breathing then? Imo he didnt. He went back in for the first time after killing them when the 911 call was already in progress.

It is no different to me than when a man shoots his wife and while she lays dying he calls 911 and cries and wails that she just shot herself and begs them to hurry.

Imo, Jr knew Michael was seriously injured. Imo Michael even at that time was never able to say another word again. Bludgeoning someone in the head serious enough to cause death would make the person unconscious or go into a coma quickly. Imo, he knew Michael was non responsive.

He knew the EMTs were going to find Michael breathing anyway. He knew they knew he was inside the house even though he was told to stay outside.

While you think he was all distraught and I respect your opinion and everyone else who has the same opinion but if he truthfully had nothing to do with this the furtherest thing from his mind at that time of absolute unimaginable horror would be retrieving a shotgun from the house. It shows he was not thinking about his family being dead but about protecting himself.

IMO

to me as I have said before the removal of the shotgun goes to his innocence, he was not worried about murder charges, but charges for having a gun that may have been stolen or unlicensed, if he did it then he would have had the wherewithal to take that gun from the scene, he had plenty of time to do so if he was in that home killing all those people,

if he is innocent I can see it happening like this, he came home went into the house saw them all dead freaked out ran to the neighbours, he went in to get the gun, he was concerned about gun charges but not murder as he did not do the murders, whilst getting the gun he notices Michael still alive and screams for help for him,

and I do not agree that he knew Michael may not survive, people have fully recovered from serious head injuries before, and whislt Michael drew breath he was a threat to the murderer especially if said murderer was known to him as Guy was, if Guy was the murderer he need never say Michael is breathing, he could say I never ever noticed, the last thing I wanted to do was look at my beaten and bloody family, I never looked to check if any were alive I just assumed they were dead,

 

[oceanblueeyes]

to me as I have said before the removal of the shotgun goes to his innocence, he was not worried about murder charges, but charges for having a gun that may have been stolen or unlicensed, if he did it then he would have had the wherewithal to take that gun from the scene, he had plenty of time to do so if he was in that home killing all those people,

if he is innocent I can see it happening like this, he came home went into the house saw them all dead freaked out ran to the neighbours, he went in to get the gun, he was concerned about gun charges but not murder as he did not do the murders, whilst getting the gun he notices Michael still alive and screams for help for him,

and I do not agree that he knew Michael may not survive, people have fully recovered from serious head injuries before, and whislt Michael drew breath he was a threat to the murderer especially if said murderer was known to him as Guy was, if Guy was the murderer he need never say Michael is breathing, he could say I never ever noticed, the last thing I wanted to do was look at my beaten and bloody family, I never looked to check if any were alive I just assumed they were dead,

But what if that is not what happened. I imagine right after he thought he had murdered them all..... the best thing for him was to leave the scene pronto.

Why in the world would he be so worried about gun charges and override that fact most of his entire family was slaughtered in the very same home the shotgun just happened to be in? There is a reason he made sure he took that shotgun out of that house but IMO it had nothing to do with it being stolen.

Well I think when the autopsy report comes out on poor Michael you will see what horrible shape he was really in. LE first thought these victims had been shot it was that bad the bludgeoning they suffered. Look up what happens to people that suffer from traumatic severe life threatening blunt force trauma before they pass away and what happens to their brain and cognitive thinking. Even if they survive they are left with disabilities and must learn to walk and talk all over again. Imo, from the moment that EMTs arrived Michael was in a coma and he never came out of that coma before he died hours later.

Wasnt he charged with tampering with EVIDENCE? I don't remember him being charged with having a stolen gun. I think the stolen gun was a bunch of bunk. Wouldn't surprise me if it belonged to one of the victims that lived in the home.

That was not Kr.s strategy. He wanted to pretend he had not tried to murder them all so of course he would say come help Michael. But IMO he knew Michael was breathing only..... labored and shallow but he also knew Michael was not talking to anyone and imo Michael never uttered a word.

IMO

 

[GregH]

I think a gag order on anything pertaining to Guy's case until the jury is selected ( possibly sequestered?) Is a very good idea and will help ensure he gets a just trial. I still would like to see a change of venue. This case is so horrible and {though very quiet now} will once again get a lot of media coverage when it does come to trial that it would be best tried in Atlanta or someplace for the best effort at a fair trial.
I know we all believe in a fair trial whatever our personal opinions may be.

 

[GregH]

July 16--A backlog at the Georgia Bureau of Investigation Crime Laboratory is holding up the murder trial of Guy Heinze Jr., the man accused of killing eight people in a mobile home this past August, acting District Attorney David Perry says.

A hearing is scheduled for Thursday to update Superior Court Chief Judge Amanda Williams on what physical evidence prosecutors have on hand and what pieces are still being analyzed at the laboratory.

"I will be sitting down and figuring out what I've got and what I don't," Perry said this week. "I'll make an inventory to present to the court so we can see where we are."

The evidence, which includes toxicology reports, is currently spread out at three locations in the state. Some is in Glynn County, some is at the crime laboratory headquarters in Atlanta and some is at the crime laboratory in Savannah, Perry said.

It will likely be another eight or nine months before all the evidence has been processed and the trial can begin, he said.

Heinze, 22, is accused of beating his father and seven other people to death with a blunt object in a mobile home at New Hope Plantation Mobile Home Park in north Glynn County on Aug. 29
He is also charged with trying to kill a 3-year-old, who survived the attack.

David Perry will work with assistant district attorneys Todd Naugle and Greg Perry, David Perry's son, to prepare for the trial.

David Perry will take over for Naugle when Naugle leaves the district attorney's office in the coming months to go into private practice in Atlanta.

Heinze is accused of killing his father, Guy Heinze Sr., 46; Russell Toler Sr., 44; Toler's children, Chrissy Toler, 22, Russell D. Toler Jr., 20, Michael Toler, 19, and Michelle Toler, 15; Russell Toler Sr.'s sister, Brenda Gail Falagan, 49; and Chrissy Toler's boyfriend, Joseph West Jr., 30.

Chrissy Toler's 3-year-old son, Byron Jimerson Jr., was the sole survivor.

Williams said at a pre-trial hearing in May that pre-trial proceedings will be open to the public. Heinze's court-appointed lawyers, Joseph Vigneri and Charles Nester, filed requests to bar the media and public.

 

[GregH]

July 18, 2010 Jacksonvilee.com
Guy Heinze brother robbed / Pretrial hearing this Thursday
http://jacksonville.com/news/georgi...s-suspect-guy-heinze-jr-reports-armed-robbery

 

[Soulmagent]

He would do well to move outa of state. I find it ironic they will completely turn over his report about getting robbed at gun point but wont release a probable cause statement in his brothers case.

 

[sigsky]

http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2010-07-22/story/crime-lab-backlog-slows-heinze-case

This borders on incompetance. More than 16 months to analyze evidence in a multiple murder case. Some politician should lose their job. Who is Georgia's Attorney General?

In January 2003, Governor Sonny Perdue appointed Vernon M. Keenan as director of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation who operate the state crime lab according to their website. I don't live in Georgia, but if I did, I would be raising hell with my state representatives.

 

[Soulmagent]

I really should take more time to think this over before I post but off the cuff

Why are they sending that much stuff to the crime lab?? I mean If they have two key pieces of evidence and are confident they have the person responsible then wouldnt a few carefully selected pieces of evidence be worthy enough to prove quilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Then the question of why has it taken so long to send in the remaining 70 pieces of evidence to the crime lab.Was it because they thought the first 60-70 would provide the proof they needed?

I could see sending in that much evidence in a case where the suspect is not identified but when you have the person?? Remember they only have to convict him of one murder per the article.