GUILTY GA - Eight family members brutally murdered in Brunswick home, 29 Aug 2009

[joe jones]

maybe once all the testing is done there may be other suspects in the mix, they have to test everything as the defence will pounce on untested items and say the case was not fully investigated,

 

[sigsky]

Well, I posed the question, so here is the answer to who is Georgia's Attorney General: Thurbert E. Baker.

http://www.georgia.gov/02/ago/home/0,2705,87670814,00.html
Read the welcoming statement and try to keep from gagging. I don't know how much influence he really wields but if he is truely "the public's lawyer", I would think it would be substantial. He must at least have the governor's ear to whom the GBI reports.

OK, that's it from me. I'll leave this to the good folks from Georgia.

 

[GregH]

I really want to comment on the crime lab backlog ( affects a lot of people people not just this case) I better check on my own State before I open my big mouth and criticize Georgia. We have had massive budget cutbacks which have affected almost everything here from Police budgets to schools.

 

[sigsky]

I guess GBI got the word!

http://dailyme.com/story/2010072400001982/heinze-case-gbi-refutes-claim-crime.html

 

[joe jones]

they need to get it sorted out, if all the evidence handed into the lab has been processed then if needs to be disclosed to the defence so the case can move forward

I wonder how strong the case against Guy Jnr is, they will need some direct physical evidence that shows he was the one who beat his family to death,

 

[GregH]

There is no officially released document, piece of evidence of any kind that links Guy Heinze to the crime.

I really enjoyed your writing "I wonder how strong the case against Guy Jr is," I have been wondering that since Early September 2009.

Nothing but a rather strong statement "We have two pieces of evidence" that leads me to believe ... we have the right man - something like that. I shouldn't use quotes. He was so -sure of himself.
That's from Chief Doerring almost a year ago.

 

[Belinda]

It seems to me that they are stalling the case because they don't have enough evidence to convict him.

 

[joe jones]

It seems to me that they are stalling the case because they don't have enough evidence to convict him.

maybe they did rush to judgement, and as the testing of evidence continues more and more of it does not tie Guy to the murders, the lack of anything from the state to show he was in any way involved does raise alot of questions, they have kept very very quiet so far about what evidence leads them to believe Guy did it

I guess we shall have to wait for the trial, which will be a long way off if the prosecutor is convinced lots of evidence hasn't been tested and the lab saying we have tested everything that has been submitted

the state better get on the same page, otherwise it could look like something is wrong with the case

 

[Soulmagent]

maybe they did rush to judgement, and as the testing of evidence continues more and more of it does not tie Guy to the murders, the lack of anything from the state to show he was in any way involved does raise alot of questions, they have kept very very quiet so far about what evidence leads them to believe Guy did it

I guess we shall have to wait for the trial, which will be a long way off if the prosecutor is convinced lots of evidence hasn't been tested and the lab saying we have tested everything that has been submitted

the state better get on the same page, otherwise it could look like something is wrong with the case

It has always appeared something is wrong in the case.

 

[LadyL]

things I wonder about ...


- if guilty, why would he even bother to return to the crime scene - why not just stay wherever he was and feign surprise when he was told? unless, of course, he didn't do it himself but knew what was going down & just went to check on the result

- if innocent, why worry about hiding a gun? unless perhaps someone else told him - hey man, you should throw that gun in your trunk

- during the 911 call, he repeatedly says his whole family is dead and mentions his dad a few times, his uncle a couple of times, and his mom once or twice - I find it disturbing that he doesn't say anything about the three most vulnerable victims - the young boy, the downs teen, and the woman in a wheelchair from a stroke

(during an emergency, your mind naturally goes to those most vulnerable and we tend to ask for help for them repeatedly)

just a few thoughts for now ...

 

[LadyL]

also, was he referring to Flanagan as his mom on the 911 tapes?

I'm confused about that part

 

[GregH]

Just in case you can't find these:

http://jacksonville.com/news/georgi...ublic_find_real_killers_in_brunswick_slayings

1) The whole 911 Call August 29, 2009 .....AM
2) The whole 911 Call (From The Property Manager) shortly thereafter

3) Excerpt of "interview" done by Guy Heinze's 16 year old brother {Tyler now 17} at the cemetery the day of most of the burials.

 

[joe jones]

things I wonder about ...


- if guilty, why would he even bother to return to the crime scene - why not just stay wherever he was and feign surprise when he was told? unless, of course, he didn't do it himself but knew what was going down & just went to check on the result

- if innocent, why worry about hiding a gun? unless perhaps someone else told him - hey man, you should throw that gun in your trunk

- during the 911 call, he repeatedly says his whole family is dead and mentions his dad a few times, his uncle a couple of times, and his mom once or twice - I find it disturbing that he doesn't say anything about the three most vulnerable victims - the young boy, the downs teen, and the woman in a wheelchair from a stroke

(during an emergency, your mind naturally goes to those most vulnerable and we tend to ask for help for them repeatedly)

just a few thoughts for now ...

he was screaming for help for Michael the Downs boy as he was still breathing and he wanted the paramedics to get there to save him, unfortunately Michael was beyond saving

and I also wonder why he ever returned to the scene, if he did it why not let somebody else find the bodies,

 

[GregH]

August 4, 2010

What is the REAL reason the prosecution is refusing to turn evidence over to the defense?

http://www.forensicsguy.com/benchnotes/

 

[Belinda]

August 4, 2010

What is the REAL reason the prosecution is refusing to turn evidence over to the defense?

http://www.forensicsguy.com/benchnotes/

There are hinky things going on with this case.

 

[Debbie3223]

Its bad enough to kill *normal* people,

but wheel chairbound?

Down syndrome? babies.. and yes.. 3 is a bebe to me...It

takes really really nasty evil people to do this, to those kind of people ON PURPOSE...

i could barely read this as my 7 yr lil girl has Down syndrome.. NOT DOWNS btw...

I was wondering what happened in this case.

sure hope they get THE CORRECT EVIL DOERS. :furious:

 

[Soulmagent]

I just get so mad when I think of this case. WHERE IS THE PROBABLE CAUSE STATEMENT!!! It is all I am asking for, there has to be one.
http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/probable-cause.html

 

[sigsky]

I have tried unsuccessfully to find an affidavit which contains a clear "statement of probable cause", but there are thousands of pages of documents that no one but LE has seen. It seems like this should be public record by now like the 911 calls. Maybe someone else can find it.

Rereading over your link to probable cause, its obvious that probable cause exisited for a warrant to inspect the property if that was even required, and I have no doubt that sufficient evidence was found to constitute probable cause for the arrest of Heinze, although we don't know exactly what.

So what exactly troubles you about probable cause? Is it just the formal statement? Perhaps you could elaborate.

 

[GregH]

Just a quick note to say hello to everyone who checks this blog. It's quiet because the case is but when it get's near the trial I think folks will have a lot to say.

Greg

 

[Soulmagent]

I have tried unsuccessfully to find an affidavit which contains a clear "statement of probable cause", but there are thousands of pages of documents that no one but LE has seen. It seems like this should be public record by now like the 911 calls. Maybe someone else can find it.

Rereading over your link to probable cause, its obvious that probable cause exisited for a warrant to inspect the property if that was even required, and I have no doubt that sufficient evidence was found to constitute probable cause for the arrest of Heinze, although we don't know exactly what.

So what exactly troubles you about probable cause? Is it just the formal statement? Perhaps you could elaborate.

Does there have to be a probable cause statement for his arrest on the murder charges?

There would have to be one for his other charges but because his murder charges were handed down by the grand jury on a true bill does the true bill replace the probable cause statement?

He was not arrested on murder until after the grand jury returned the true bill .
I ask so much because to get a grand jury to hand down a true bill one needs very little in probable cause. We know there was hours of testimony but unless the grand jury was having a hard time with what was presented it doesnt make any sence. They only need a reasonable persumption the person could of commited the crime.
If evidence was what LE tryed to make one believe, unquestionable Why so long and why no probable cause statement.


I dont know if the is one or if they can skip it because of the true bill but if they did skip it I find that suspious. They held him until he was almost released instead of issueing a probable cause statement and holding him like that instead they had to grand jury it and risk letting him out on bond for his other charges.

Am I over reading things? See a probable cause statement would just make all this go away in my head.