GA GA - Hannah Truelove, 16, Gainesville, 24 August 2012

  • #161
ITA, Eileen!

It's very common for divorced/separated parents to vie for their children's affection with money/material gifts. The situation can seem ideal to a young child and it may help them adapt to their parents being apart. As a teenager, children begin to understand what's going on and often view the competition negatively.

Hannah was at that age when she saw through her father's attempts to compete against her mother. I think that's what she meant when she said she couldn't stand her dad. It was this aspect of trying to buy her affection with material goods that Hannah couldn't stand. She did not hate her dad. Even with her objections to his behavior, I'm sure she wouldn't have refused a car if he bought her one! That's the nature of teenagers.

Hannah may have had some conflicts with her mother, but there's no evidence she hated her mother, either. Her mother had her hands full with a job and 3 children, including a teenager expressing a lot of angst. I don't think we know Hannah's sitution at school. Had she been referred to a counselor at school? What was Hannah's relationship with her siblings like?

Agreed!

I believe we have not heard much about the school is because maybe THAT is where LE is focused.

Notice they have not said she was sexually assaulted and are not looking for
sex offenders.
This was a crime done by a very angry person JMO and i think its a girl!
Im still thinking bullying!
 
  • #162
I was just going to say something like this :) While I am not a trained expert, I do have 6 kids, aged 10-28, the youngest is the only boy. I am going through some stuff with my own daughter right now who is 13 going on 25. She speaks, looks, and carries herself as much older, and it's frustrating, to say the least. Her current favorite game is "I don't want to live with you anymore. I want to live with my Dad". HE EATS THIS UP! You can't convince him that she is full of drama & embellishing/omitting actual events. Problem is, Dad travels constantly. There is zero stability for a teenage girl in his line of work. This comes up ANY time she doesn't get her way. He is an enabler of her behavior and it's hard to deal with in house, every single day. SO in this sense, I feel for Mom. My gut tells me she isn't responsible for the crime. Did they fight? Probably. Was there a competition for dominance in their relationship or attention? Most likely.

MOO is that this was done by her peers. Girls. Multiple. Possibly gang-style. I don't think murder was the plan. I believe it was a butt kicking that went too far. And of course, I could just be way off base here..


I totally agree with you this was my opinion also.
Possibly a set up! And agreed also where i think it went to far!
The secret lies witht he ppl on the bus and school!
 
  • #163
I wonder if the scratches on her face could be from animal life in the area of where she was found. I haven't read anything that specifically says that the scratches where directly associated with the cause of death. I had also wonered if possibly she knew mom was coming home and being a rebelious teenager wanted to be gone when she got there and headed off into the woods, possibly walking into a bad situation that had nothing specifically to do with her. I hike sometimes and occasionally run into folks while on trails engaged in suspicious behavior. Particularly trails close to houses,common areas of parks etc.
 
  • #164
I have some experience in helping to break up fights between teenagers being in the profession I am in. My opinion is that breaking up physical fights between two teenage girls is the hardest to do. It takes multiple people to accomplish usually. Once you get the girls apart, you'd better hold tight until they are moved far away from each other. The girls will continue to hit, scratch, and kick at one another continuously. I witnessed one girl fight many years ago where one girl got the other girl flat on her back on the sidewalk and reached down and bit off the girl's bottom lip and spit it on the ground. My experience is that once you separate boys who are fighting, they will stay separated. We even have to go through restraint training for the proper way to intervene in a fight. Yeah, that goes right out the window when faced with the task of which one do I try to immobilize by restraining the upper body. I've digressed from the topic at hand. Hannah could very well have been killed, either intentionally or not, by another teenage girl.
 
  • #165
I have some experience in helping to break up fights between teenagers being in the profession I am in. My opinion is that breaking up physical fights between two teenage girls is the hardest to do. It takes multiple people to accomplish usually. Once you get the girls apart, you'd better hold tight until they are moved far away from each other. The girls will continue to hit, scratch, and kick at one another continuously. I witnessed one girl fight many years ago where one girl got the other girl flat on her back on the sidewalk and reached down and bit off the girl's bottom lip and spit it on the ground. My experience is that once you separate boys who are fighting, they will stay separated. We even have to go through restraint training for the proper way to intervene in a fight. Yeah, that goes right out the window when faced with the task of which one do I try to immobilize by restraining the upper body. I've digressed from the topic at hand. Hannah could very well have been killed, either intentionally or not, by another teenage girl.

Never had to break up teenage girls fighting but I worked security in bars for alot of years and 100% agree with you about breaking up fights involving women. I still have faint scars from being scratched by a woman who attacked me while we where throwing her boyfriend out of the club. And we where throwing him out for striking her! I just wonder how difficult it would be to distinguish how someone got scratches i.e. animal vs. human?
 
  • #166
Never had to break up teenage girls fighting but I worked security in bars for alot of years and 100% agree with you about breaking up fights involving women. I still have faint scars from being scratched by a woman who attacked me while we where throwing her boyfriend out of the club. And we where throwing him out for striking her! I just wonder how difficult it would be to distinguish how someone got scratches i.e. animal vs. human?

Somewhat graphic here. I think there would be an initial gouge mark where a fingernail entered the flesh if it were a human scratch. Also, horrible to think of, doesn't a fingernail scratch produce a kind of ripping of the skin versus an incision type made from the claws of an animal? This would not apply to Hannah but fingernail scratches produce infections quite easily because of the bacterial under them on humans. Autopsy results could list types of bacteria present in human scratches couldn't it?
 
  • #167
Like everyone else, I'm pretty clueless as to what happened to Hannah. I do have some thoughts on the cell phone issue, though. As the mother of a teenage girl, I can definitely empathize with anyone who is facing parenting challenges- I struggle with my daughter too. One thing I will not do, however, is physically take her cell phone away from her as a form of punishment. There is only one reason for this: My daughter's father and I are divorced, and he doesn't have a phone at his house. We share joint custody of our daughter, and when he leaves her home alone, he takes his cell phone with him. The idea that my child has no way to contact anyone in case of emergency, unless she has her own phone with her, is scary enough to me that I won't physically take it from her.

That said, however, I am no pushover. I simply remove my daughter's social privileges where her phone is concerned as a disciplinary action. My cell phone provider- and all providers, I believe- have parental options that allow me to restrict what (if any) numbers she's allowed to call, what time of the day or night her phone is operational, and whether she can use any internet- such as Facebook, Twitter, etc. There have been times when literally, my daughter's cell phone is so severely restricted, she can only use it to call her father, 911 or me. No texting, surfing, or anything else.

I wonder if Hannah's mother thought of anything like this? Leaving your daughter with no way to contact you or the police in cases of emergency alarms me far more than the idea that her phone was taken. IMO there were other equally effective (but much safer) ways to discipline her child. Making a child less safe in order to discipline her is not appropriate.
 
  • #168
Like everyone else, I'm pretty clueless as to what happened to Hannah. I do have some thoughts on the cell phone issue, though. As the mother of a teenage girl, I can definitely empathize with anyone who is facing parenting challenges- I struggle with my daughter too. One thing I will not do, however, is physically take her cell phone away from her as a form of punishment. There is only one reason for this: My daughter's father and I are divorced, and he doesn't have a phone at his house. We share joint custody of our daughter, and when he leaves her home alone, he takes his cell phone with him. The idea that my child has no way to contact anyone in case of emergency, unless she has her own phone with her, is scary enough to me that I won't physically take it from her.

That said, however, I am no pushover. I simply remove my daughter's social privileges where her phone is concerned as a disciplinary action. My cell phone provider- and all providers, I believe- have parental options that allow me to restrict what (if any) numbers she's allowed to call, what time of the day or night her phone is operational, and whether she can use any internet- such as Facebook, Twitter, etc. There have been times when literally, my daughter's cell phone is so severely restricted, she can only use it to call her father, 911 or me. No texting, surfing, or anything else.

I wonder if Hannah's mother thought of anything like this? Leaving your daughter with no way to contact you or the police in cases of emergency alarms me far more than the idea that her phone was taken. IMO there were other equally effective (but much safer) ways to discipline her child. Making a child less safe in order to discipline her is not appropriate.

Well there are plenty of children out there without Cell phones.
Im sure once Hannah was back on the right path she would have gotten her phone back..
I do not think a cell phone would have saved her.
I for one think taking a cell phone away from a child for breaking ones nose is justified.

Sadly this young lady is dead!
Something was going on with her!
fighting with her mom
afraid to ride the bus
feeling sick!

the feeling sick to me is a premonition.

i read where homicide detectives say sometimes when they find a diary of a murdered woman they wrote that they feel like they are getting sick or have the flu then they are murdered or when they were talking to family members they tell them they are not feeling well. and then bam dead..creepy!
 
  • #169
I found this and thought it interesting!

According to her Twitter feed Hannah Truelove was talking about a creepy stalker just days before she was killed: “So scared right now :/,” she wrote on Aug. 18. And on Aug. 22, she wrote, “I need to move out of these dang apartments.” Gainsville police are trying to determine whether the messages were sent by the person who took her young life


http://bestprisonbooksmovies.com/2012/hannah-truelove-murder-mystery-photos/
 
  • #170
She was afraid to ride the bus!
Had a stalker!

Maybe it wasnt someone on the bus but someone she came in contact with waiting for that bus?
Anyone know where her bus stop was and did she wait there alone?
 
  • #171
we don't know who these tweets are about.Even though I doubt it but she could be talking about her mother,it is a possibility.
I do find it alarming that she took away her phone knowing Hannah has to sit outside to wait for her.I can not stand it when I can't contact my daughter,it scares me to death.
 
  • #172
Well there are plenty of children out there without Cell phones.
Im sure once Hannah was back on the right path she would have gotten her phone back..
I do not think a cell phone would have saved her.
I for one think taking a cell phone away from a child for breaking ones nose is justified.

Sadly this young lady is dead!
Something was going on with her!
fighting with her mom
afraid to ride the bus
feeling sick!

the feeling sick to me is a premonition.

i read where homicide detectives say sometimes when they find a diary of a murdered woman they wrote that they feel like they are getting sick or have the flu then they are murdered or when they were talking to family members they tell them they are not feeling well. and then bam dead..creepy!

I'm ok with the idea of taking a phone for disciplinary purposes- and wouldn't find it odd or inappropriate if Hannah had any other options- such as a landline- in case of emergency. As it stands, her mother is the only person who had a phone, and she took that with her to work every day. What if an emergency had arisen (and perhaps it did, in this case)? How was Hannah supposed to sound the alarm if she was unable to get far enough away to use someone else's phone? I'm all about disciplining children who behave badly- and violence is inexcusable, regardless of the circumstance. IMO, however, any punishment that potentially compromises a child's safety is not appropriate. Why not take her laptop? I'd rather restrict her internet usage than remove her ability to call 911. This teen was home alone every single day for 3 to 3 1/2 hours.

Personally, I think it's possible Hannah was pregnant, which explains the sick tummy, the weight gain, the cryptic messages, etc. When she talks about being "so scared right now", I think she's a kid who got herself into serious trouble, and is terrified, having no idea how to get herself out of trouble. I don't think she's talking about a creepy stalker. Even when she refers to her "uglya** stalker", that could be her mom, lurking, trying to figure out what her child is up to- something no teen takes well to.
 
  • #173
I'm ok with the idea of taking a phone for disciplinary purposes- and wouldn't find it odd or inappropriate if Hannah had any other options- such as a landline- in case of emergency. As it stands, her mother is the only person who had a phone, and she took that with her to work every day. What if an emergency had arisen (and perhaps it did, in this case)? How was Hannah supposed to sound the alarm if she was unable to get far enough away to use someone else's phone? I'm all about disciplining children who behave badly- and violence is inexcusable, regardless of the circumstance. IMO, however, any punishment that potentially compromises a child's safety is not appropriate. Why not take her laptop? I'd rather restrict her internet usage than remove her ability to call 911. This teen was home alone every single day for 3 to 3 1/2 hours.

Personally, I think it's possible Hannah was pregnant, which explains the sick tummy, the weight gain, the cryptic messages, etc. When she talks about being "so scared right now", I think she's a kid who got herself into serious trouble, and is terrified, having no idea how to get herself out of trouble. I don't think she's talking about a creepy stalker. Even when she refers to her "uglya** stalker", that could be her mom, lurking, trying to figure out what her child is up to- something no teen takes well to.

Well I do not see MOM as the bad guy here or as her stalker!
 
  • #174
Look at all the missing girls that had cell phones with them when they vanished.
The phone did not help them and most times are not found. Nor are the girls!
 
  • #175
One of those leads were from witnesses who said they saw Truelove on Thursday night around 7 p.m. or 7:30 p.m. in the parking lot near the woods where she was found. Police also said that they believe Truelove was killed where she was found and went into the woods willingly. Because of this, police are telling the public they shouldn’t be worried about a serial killer prowling the streets as they feel Truelove knew her killer

Read more: http://www.dreamindemon.com/2012/08/31/hannah-truelove-tweeted-stalker-days-murdered/#ixzz2DGDfFFuF
 
  • #176
Well I do not see MOM as the bad guy here or as her stalker!

I don't think any of us have any clue as to who the "bad guy" or "stalker" was. I am, however, entitled to my opinion. I'm trying to look at all angles, just like everyone else on this forum.

Her mother doesn't have to be a bad person or a stalker for her teenage daughter to believe otherwise. It wouldn't be the first time in history a teen girls thinks her mom is evil and overbearing. My mom is a saint, but when I was Hannah's age, she was both a bad guy and a stalker in my young, immature mind. I was wrong, of course- she was simply a tough disciplinarian because she understood something I didn't at that age- that contrary to my own beliefs, I was not as ready for the world as I thought I was. It caused friction, which is common in many, many households. Hannah's mom might be a great mother, but perception is as important (or moreso) than reality, and Hannah's perception, IMO, was that her mother was a problem, for whatever reason- whether accurate or not.
 
  • #177
Look at all the missing girls that had cell phones with them when they vanished.
The phone did not help them and most times are not found. Nor are the girls!

I think this is totally valid. I wonder, however, how many girls WOULD have gone missing had they not had their cell phones on them to call for help? No one should assume a phone is a fool-proof way to keep safe. It is merely a tool that can keep us safer. Nothing takes the place of safe behavior. Sometimes, as we all know, people can do all the "right" things, and still be victimized. It's all about lowering one's chances of ending up in a bad situation- by using a combination of tools.
 
  • #178
I don't think any of us have any clue as to who the "bad guy" or "stalker" was. I am, however, entitled to my opinion. I'm trying to look at all angles, just like everyone else on this forum.

Her mother doesn't have to be a bad person or a stalker for her teenage daughter to believe otherwise. It wouldn't be the first time in history a teen girls thinks her mom is evil and overbearing. My mom is a saint, but when I was Hannah's age, she was both a bad guy and a stalker in my young, immature mind. I was wrong, of course- she was simply a tough disciplinarian because she understood something I didn't at that age- that contrary to my own beliefs, I was not as ready for the world as I thought I was. It caused friction, which is common in many, many households. Hannah's mom might be a great mother, but perception is as important (or moreso) than reality, and Hannah's perception, IMO, was that her mother was a problem, for whatever reason- whether accurate or not.


Teens do not like their parents!
This young lady was afraid to ride the school bus now it was either someone on the bus or someone that came around the bus stop. that was bothering her.

Had she said the wrong thing to someone?
got confrontational?
Did she break up with someone and move on to someone else.
I can see the old BF stalking her and spying on her and also getting angry enuff to harm her.
I just think its another teen that killed her.


I never said you couldnt have your opinion thats all any of us have Opinions and theories!

I just feel very sorry for her mom and her dad also
 
  • #179
I think this is totally valid. I wonder, however, how many girls WOULD have gone missing had they not had their cell phones on them to call for help? No one should assume a phone is a fool-proof way to keep safe. It is merely a tool that can keep us safer. Nothing takes the place of safe behavior. Sometimes, as we all know, people can do all the "right" things, and still be victimized. It's all about lowering one's chances of ending up in a bad situation- by using a combination of tools.

Unfortunately they do not use the cell phone because most times its someone they know. They believe Hannah went willingly with someone she knew.
 
  • #180
Teens do not like their parents!
This young lady was afraid to ride the school bus now it was either someone on the bus or someone that came around the bus stop. that was bothering her.

Had she said the wrong thing to someone?
got confrontational?
Did she break up with someone and move on to someone else.
I can see the old BF stalking her and spying on her and also getting angry enuff to harm her.
I just think its another teen that killed her.


I never said you couldnt have your opinion thats all any of us have Opinions and theories!

I just feel very sorry for her mom and her dad also

I remember reading that her father had stated Hannah was afraid to ride the bus. Has this been verified? It's hard to sift through fact vs. opinion in this case. All we really have are Dad's words- which seem to point to Mom; no words at all from Mom (and I understand she isn't obligated to speak to the media- so no judgment there, just stating fact); and a bunch of cryptic messages from Hannah's Twitter page that could mean something as scary as she was being stalked, was pregnant, all the way to something more mundane.

The lack of solid information is frustrating.
 

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