GA - Jonah, 3, & Nicole Payne, 2, Warrenton, 23 April 2005

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

KUTV: Two Toddlers Missing In Georgia

... While investigators questioned their mother, nearly 200 others kept up the search for the children. Neighbors say they are heartbroken, reports CBS Affiliate WRDW in Augusta, Ga.

"The mother would often have them out walking during the day, so they know what the children look like and nobody has seen them," Sandy Yelton of the Warren County Fire Rescue told the station...

 

[LovelyPigeon]

I think the dad meant that since the gate had been kept locked but was found open that it points to someone taking the kids. I read in an earlier report that he believes the kids were taken by someone.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

USATODAY.com - Ga. police have few leads in search for missing toddlers

Nicole was described as 30 inches tall with shoulder-length blond hair. She may have some hair missing in front because of a burn. She was last seen wearing a purple turtleneck, light-colored blue jeans and purple high-top tennis shoes.

Jonah was described as 40 inches tall with shoulder-length black hair. He was last seen wearing a red and white shirt with a gray collar and the number seven on the back, blue jeans and brown hiking boots.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

FOXNews.com - U.S. & World - Time Becomes Critical in Ga. Toddlers Search

... The family does not have a history of abuse involving the children...

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Hmmm....I don't know but now that you say that I remember reading something somewhere.........I will seacrch fro that also.

Here it is. Appears it was a family friend, but I'm still stunned that anyone would say a 2 and 3 year old knew their limits outside.

Meech
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Mr. Payne, who is engaged to and lives with Ms. Kain, said he was working in Thomson at a gas station when the children's mother called him to say that Nicole and Jonah were gone.

Standing outside the home where he and the children have lived for less than a year, Mr. Payne expressed the belief that someone had abducted his son and daughter.

"When they leave, they leave the gate open," he said. Authorities found the gate closed but unlatched.

Mr. Payne and Ms. Kain lived in Arizona before moving to Gibson, Ga., which is where Brenda Johnson met them four years ago.

On Sunday, Ms. Johnson and family friend Laura Pennington said that they couldn't fathom Jonah and Nicole just leaving - particularly together.

"I never saw them play together - they were so sick of the other one. If they're together, someone snatched them," Ms. Pennington said. "And I don't know them to just take off and go up the road. They knew their limits."

Besides Ms. Kain, the last people to see the children were neighbors who saw them playing outside at about 4 p.m.

Agent Nicholson said Ms. Kain told police that she and the children came inside shortly after 4 p.m. and were in the house until she noticed the children were gone. Witnesses said there was no vehicle traffic on Lake Road at the time of the children's disappearance, according to Chief McClain.

 

[KatherineQ]

Some people just talk just to hear themselves talk. It doesn't really sound like she knew what she was talking about, just bla bla bla.

It's looking more like the mother really doesn't know where her children are. This is just heartbreaking, this waiting.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Neighbors said they saw them playing outside at 4:00 p.m. Didn't say with their mother. I have a feeling, this is one more case of the parent allowing the child to play outside ALONE and they're gone.

 

[Timex]

Neighbors said they saw them playing outside at 4:00 p.m. Didn't say with their mother. I have a feeling, this is one more case of the parent allowing the child to play outside ALONE and they're gone.

But the kids were inside when they went missing. One of the other reports said the mother often walked with the children every day. This tells me the mother does not send them out to play alone. Now, could they have been out in the yard and the mother stepped inside to grab the telephone etc? Sure, but at this point Im not ready to fault this family. When it gets to the point a mother cant even use the bathroom for fear of someone taking her kids...the anger should be towards the perp, not the mother. It is physically impossible for anyone to watch a child 24/7...it just cant happen.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Why? Because the mother said so?? Come on Timex. If she let them play outside and they disappeared, she's not going to admit it.

 

[Timex]

Why? Because the mother said so?? Come on Timex. If she let them play outside and they disappeared, she's not going to admit it.

But the father reported calling home and hearing the kids, so are both lying?

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Agent Nicholson said Ms. Kain told police that she and the children came inside shortly after 4 p.m. and were in the house until she noticed the children were gone.

Kain might have been outside watching them, or inside while they played in fenced yard. Parents do let kids go outside into fenced yard without being with them every minute, and probably more likely to do that in rural areas with low populations.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

But the father reported calling home and hearing the kids, so are both lying?

I'm not saying that anyone is. All I'm saying is that we don't know anything to be a "fact" just because someone said it.

 

[Timex]

I'm not saying that anyone is. All I'm saying is that we don't know anything to be a "fact" just because someone said it.

true...but I also dont have any reason to believe they are lying.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Kain might have been outside watching them, or inside while they played in fenced yard. Parents do let kids go outside into fenced yard without being with them every minute, and probably more likely to do that in rural areas with low populations.

So, someone could have been watching them play ALONE in the front yard and got it in their head to see how easy it would be to snatch them, possibly????

 

[Timex]

So, someone could have been watching them play ALONE in the front yard and got it in their head to see how easy it would be to snatch them, possibly????

Or someone could have seen them walking with their mother, and decided to find a way to snatch them. These people are brazen...we have seen that time and time again. Parents simply cannot protect their children 24/7..and the bottom line is...they shouldnt have to. It has become all too common for a perp to enter a home and snatch a child. Thats just crazy to think a child isnt even safe in their own home. What in the world are we coming to?

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Someone might have been watching to see what the pattern was for those kids, when they walked in neighborhood with mom, when they played behind the fence without mom being present. If someone took them it's most likely some surveillance was done beforehand.

If Kain (anyone seen an age for her yet?) harmed the children, could she have hidden them somewhere during 2 hours that they'd not be found after 2 days of searching?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Or someone could have seen them walking with their mother, and decided to find a way to snatch them. These people are brazen...we have seen that time and time again. Parents simply cannot protect their children 24/7..and the bottom line is...they shouldnt have to. It has become all too common for a perp to enter a home and snatch a child. Thats just crazy to think a child isnt even safe in their own home. What in the world are we coming to?

Well most us who don't live under a rock already know what kind of world it is. Its a world where you NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES allow a 2 and 3 year old to play outside ALONE!

If they were all inside, why didn't she just lock the door? Her kids would most likely still be home.

THAT's what kind of world we live in. Not liking it doesn't change the fact that we need to take precautions. I lock my door even if I'm alone. Home invasion robberies are at an all time high.

 

[Timex]

You're right, not liking it doesnt change it...but if we, as a society dont do something to change it...God help this world by the time our children have children. They will have to be raised in such a sterile environment, they will have lost everything. I just cant blame a parent for being in the house with their child with an unlocked door.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

You're right, not liking it doesnt change it...but if we, as a society dont do something to change it...God help this world by the time our children have children. They will have to be raised in such a sterile environment, they will have lost everything. I just cant blame a parent for being in the house with their child with an unlocked door.

I know Timex. Anyone with small kids MUST take all sorts of precautions. I don't think locking the door is an unreasonable one. Sure it sucks that we've got to actually lock our doors, but most people know that we have to.

Neighbors did say that this family allowed the kids to play outside alone. Of course we don't yet know what part this played in their disappearance, but if the mother had nothing to do with this, and I pray she didn't, what part did that play?

 

[Casshew]

Why aren't they dredging that damn pond? :banghead: