GUILTY GA - Jorelys Rivera, 7, Canton, 2 Dec 2011 - #5

  • #101
Hey everybody,

Christmas is almost here and the stress is on for that reason. But the stress is also evident because we don't know the evidence in this brutal murder. So, let's all step back for a moment and be thankful our loved ones and our friends on WS will have a Merry Christmas.

Please no more bickering.
 
  • #102
For those of you who were sleuthing the rules and procedures for the commitment hearing, is there a time limit within which this hearing must take place? TIA
 
  • #103
For those of you who were sleuthing the rules and procedures for the commitment hearing, is there a time limit within which this hearing must take place? TIA

Google lead me to a response that you must be granted bond if not indicted within 90 days of arrest in the state of GA, not 100% sure if it is a foolproof source.
 
  • #104
Google lead me to a response that you must be granted bond if not indicted within 90 days of arrest in the state of GA, not 100% sure if it is a foolproof source.

That totally didn't answer your question, you asked about a commitment or preliminary hearing, not an indictment. So I am trying again...and google lead me to learn that the preliminary hearing is usually held after arraignment, at which point the judge decides if the case has enough weight to move forward, and the standard is probable cause. Still not sure if it is the best answer..
 
  • #105
also post #90 (page 4) by Hickory Born has good info on Preliminary Hearings, but all the info I find is not too specific on the required time frame.
 
  • #106
So what do we know about press coverage and preliminary hearings in the area? Wondering how much info we may have to chew on after the hearing.
 
  • #107
For those of you who were sleuthing the rules and procedures for the commitment hearing, is there a time limit within which this hearing must take place? TIA

From the reading I have done, in GA, the commitment hearing, Probable Cause hearing, and Preliminary Hearing are all the same things, just being called different things from various sources (which is why it seems so confusing). In GA it is referred to as a Commitment Hearing or Preliminary Hearing. During this Hearing, the Judge will hear evidence to establish probable cause. The evidence will not be in depth like you would see at a trial.

After hearing the evidence, the Judge will set bail or not.

Each individual has the right to make bail within 90 days after being incarcerated prior to a conviction and without a grand jury indictment.

Here is what has to happen

1. A grand jury indictment, the judge will set bail based on the indictment.

or

2. A Preliminary hearing where the judge will hear probable cause from the prosecution and reasons as to why the suspect is not guilty from the defense. After hearing the probable cause, the judge will either set bail, deny bail, or release the individual.

or

3. The defense can force a grand jury indictment by requesting a probable cause hearing, however, the prosecution still has 90 days to prepare for that hearing or to get an indictment back from the grand jury.

or

4. The defense can plead guilty, forgoing probable cause hearing and trial. The judge will sentence. This generally happens when there is a plea deal.

By 90 days, it is 90 days from the day the individual was incarcerated.

So sometime during the early party of March at the latest.
 
  • #108
Mod Note: Please stop bickering. No opinion is more worthy than another, and some are best left unstated.

Thanks.
 
  • #109
So what do we know about press coverage and preliminary hearings in the area? Wondering how much info we may have to chew on after the hearing.

I think that is at the discretion of the judge. In past experiences most judges have let media in the courtroom. I don't know about this particular case because everything has been so closed.

I think in the overall picture, the city/county/state will be looking at the cost of holding a trial out of town. I think that is one major reason the information is not coming out.
 
  • #110
Want to add: I have attended a week-long trial out of town and the Judge had to move his staff, the DA had to move his staff, and the cost was staggering...and that wasn't even a murder or death penalty case.
 
  • #111
Want to add: I have attended a week-long trial out of town and the Judge had to move his staff, the DA had to move his staff, and the cost was staggering...and that wasn't even a murder or death penalty case.

Agreed, costs could be prohibitive to say the least in even having to try such a case, let alone move it to another location.
 
  • #112
I forgot, the defense attorney was appointed because of indigent qualifications (I think), so the County or State would be paying for him and his staff to move also.
 
  • #113
Bring the jurors from another county. Much less cost. That's what they are going to do in Shawn Morgan's case who is charged with murdering Breeann Rodriguez. I know it would narrow the juror's pool but pay for the families to visit is way less cost than a lawyer charging for everyone on staff to be at a trial in another county. Bet even their gas costs more when totaled. j/k lol
 
  • #114
Bring the jurors from another county. Much less cost. That's what they are going to do in Shawn Morgan's case who is charged with murdering Breeann Rodriguez. I know it would narrow the juror's pool but pay for the families to visit is way less cost than a lawyer charging for everyone on staff to be at a trial in another county. Bet even their gas costs more when totaled. j/k lol

How far do they usually go to bring other jurors in? We have Cobb, Fulton, and Forsyth very close (in a normal metro Atlanta daily commute distance) and 2 are far more populated than Cherokee, one is about equal (in order, actually). I don't know if those are "far enough", but they sure wouldn't require family visitation unless they were sequestered.
 
  • #115
How far do they usually go to bring other jurors in? We have Cobb, Fulton, and Forsyth very close (in a normal metro Atlanta daily commute distance) and 2 are far more populated than Cherokee, one is about equal (in order, actually). I don't know if those are "far enough", but they sure wouldn't require family visitation unless they were sequestered.

My guess is defense council would request jurors outside the Atlanta tv viewing area because of extensive pre-trial coverage.

Georgia has changed the laws pertaining to juries and jury selections, which will go into effect July 1, 2012. Here is the link below..it is long and very detailed. I could not find anything about bringing trial jurors in from another county or moving the trial to another county.

http://www1.legis.ga.gov/legis/2011_12/fulltext/hb415.htm
 
  • #116
I just can't believe how much RB's friends and family are still talking on FB....
 
  • #117
Several things in Georgia Law changes are: 1. No more forced balancing of jury pool from the Civil Rights Act of the 1960s. 2. All jury pool lists will come from the State and include all names of registered voters and registered drivers.
 
  • #118
Since witnesses can be called at a commitment hearing, we might be hearing from the roommate at that time.

I suspect there are others in the apartment complex who will be witnesses also. Maybe even someone saw RB with the child. IMO there are some gag orders on the important witnesses and the ones who have given tidbits of info to MSM are not going to be the crucial witnesses.
 
  • #119
How far do they usually go to bring other jurors in? We have Cobb, Fulton, and Forsyth very close (in a normal metro Atlanta daily commute distance) and 2 are far more populated than Cherokee, one is about equal (in order, actually). I don't know if those are "far enough", but they sure wouldn't require family visitation unless they were sequestered.

In Shawn Morgan's case, he was arrested in Dunklin Co., MO, and per his docket they will pick jurors in Phelps Co., MO. That's approximately 188 miles apart (4 or 5 counties away). With GA having 159 counties, there sure are plenty to choose from. Doubt they will pick jurors from another county but it's a great idea cost wise for cash-strapped states.
 
  • #120
Does anyone know if the State of Georgia has ever brought in jurors from a different county to serve on a criminal trial?
 

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